david beckham - c or d

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weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 09:39 (twenty-one years ago)

utterly classic for reasons that should be highly apparent

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 09:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Classic. I heart the boy Beckham. Great footballer, made me a happy bunny against Greece and against Argentina.

I am not Julie Burchill, and have had this view before (ie, I'm not one of the 'yay, go becks, doing the dirty on Posh has made you go up in my estimation etc)

Dave B (daveb), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 09:43 (twenty-one years ago)

As a player, classic. Otherwise, dud.

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 09:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Why so Ailsa?

Dave B (daveb), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 09:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Classic, as far as he goes.

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 09:45 (twenty-one years ago)

i like him a lot. a very good player, and a nice chappie. i always thought it was a great fergie mistake letting him go - i'd like to see him winning the european cup.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 09:46 (twenty-one years ago)

blind instinct now out of the way, i'm thinking of all the bad points:

over-rated as a player perhaps (still world class tho)
loves the bling too much
can't finish a sentence without saying 'y'know'


but otherwise a fairly decent role model family man prior to much-rumoured adultery, and he's yet to appear on a record - count your blessings

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 09:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Because I am a bitter and twisted Scottish person and Beckham's media image is intrinsically linked with the "England are so great and it is our God-given right to win everything" attitude that always surfaces whenever a major tournament is on the horizon. (I realise this isn't entirely his fault, and that I am being irrational).

It's not Beckham that's dud really, it's the way he is portrayed in the media (and a lot of times that is down to his wife). If it wasn't him, it would be someone else, I guess.

Undeniably great player though.

(xpost to dave)

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 09:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Classic. He has very kissable lips.

penelope_11, Tuesday, 6 April 2004 09:50 (twenty-one years ago)

i get the impression that great strain has been put on his marriage by the madrid move. he's had a great season, but i think next year might be more troubled. then chelsea will beckon.

i don't think he's overrated as a player. i hear a lot of people using his pop stardom as a reason why his football skills should be questioned. "beckham isn't a footballer, he's a pop star." uh, can't he be both? he seems to balance them quite well.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 09:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Overrated in all areas but he has improved dramatically as a player whereas someone like Giggs, who as far more talent, has pretty much stood still.

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 09:54 (twenty-one years ago)

A wonderful player and a strikingly handsome chap. But whenever I've heard him speak, he comes across as thick as two planks.

random surfer, Tuesday, 6 April 2004 09:56 (twenty-one years ago)

giggs doesn't play in complete seasons, he has great six-week spells. becks has had several consistently great seasons - letting him go was silly.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 09:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Has he improved dramatically since the move to Madrid? I must admit I havn't seen them this season.

Johnney B (Johnney B), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 09:57 (twenty-one years ago)

and he's yet to appear on a record - count your blessings

the thought of beckham attempting to sing something someday on a record makes me giggle uncontrollably

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 09:58 (twenty-one years ago)

See, I don't think Beckham does come across as stupid. He's got a very unfortunate speaking voice that means he sounds thick, but I think he's got a pretty good handle on actually being David Beckham the brand (which, let's face it, he is) and comes across OK all things considered.

I'm changing my mind here. Beckham is classic, it's the English tabloid media who are dud. And his wife.

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 09:59 (twenty-one years ago)

The notion that Giggs has far more talent than Beckham is baffling. The pinpoint-accuracy 30-yard pass is one of the greatest weapons a football team can hope for and far more important to a team than a load of fancy tippy-tappy dribbly bad-crossing Giggs bollocks.

And that's to say nothing of his dead-ball winningness. Like Rio Ferdinand, you realise how good he really is once he's gone.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Piiiing

MDC = spot on his long passes are a thing of beauty, the only player who comes even half as close for England is the gorgeous Stevie G.

chris (chris), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:02 (twenty-one years ago)

i've seen a couple of champion's league games, a couple of spanish league games - and yes, he looks good. wouldn't say he's improved dramatically - he's always been good. he had some tough spells at man utd - the last season before he left was patchy (probably due to strained relations with the gaffer) but he has since managed to sustain his excellence at the best club in the world, which is impressive.

matt dc otm re: giggs v becks.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:03 (twenty-one years ago)

people negate the phenonemal talent that is Ryan Giggs because he's a one-club man who'll probably never leave Utd and being a Welsh international will never appear in the big tournaments...but we're talking about one of the most consistently brilliant Premiership stars over a ten year period there. and he can take a free-kick ALMOST as well as Beckham and better than 98% of anyone else in the Premiership.

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Has he improved dramatically since the move to Madrid?

No, he's improved steadily all through his career, which doesn't happen very often - haven't seen enough of him at Madrid to know if he's improved further. I hate that squinting thing he does with his eyes when he's getting his photo taking - I think he thinks it's sexy or sumthin'.... it probably is, what do i know!

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:05 (twenty-one years ago)

"and he can take a free-kick ALMOST as well as Beckham"

nonsense!

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Giggs has one major problem - he decided to play for Wales and not England, if he'd played for England he'd be considered one of greatest players on the planet.

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Bollocks. Plenty classic players have played for shitey international teams.

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:08 (twenty-one years ago)

it's not nonsense kilian, Giggs has scored countless long-range free-kicks in his time, including a superb effort back on the first day of this season - can't remember who against. Beckham's a better passer and crosser but Giggs has the upper-hand when it comes to control and footwork. not much between them at all really.

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually what Dadaismus said missed out a bit. I think what he meant was if he'd played for England he'd be considered one of greatest players on the planet by English people.

The world doesn't end at Offa's Dyke/Hadrian's Wall, you know.

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:10 (twenty-one years ago)

You misunderstand my point which is if Giggs had played for England how much higher would he be rated? Conversely, if Bobby Moore had played for Wales he'd have been just one more plodding British central defender.

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:11 (twenty-one years ago)

until the Greece game I thought Beckham was overrated. But he got us back into that with almost superhuman workrate, passion and *that* free kick. He simply refused to lose. I think he's a good bloke too. I'm not in the least bit interested in his private life.

Giggs - obv totally different kind of player. I reckon his hi-speed dribbling and control are as exceptional skills as Beckham's long passing and crossing. Stevem OTM about Giggsy really

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I missed out the "by English people" bit because that seemed to go without saying.

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:12 (twenty-one years ago)

i dunno steve, i don't know giggs' scoring record from free-kicks but i can't remember that many off the top of my head. his tally was probably hindered by the fact that becks was taking all the frees before he left, but man u haven't scored many frees this season. i think ronaldo got one...

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:13 (twenty-one years ago)

One thing that has helped Beckham look improved at Madrid are his team mates and his relationship with them. He seems to be able to know where Ronaldo is running instinctively and tthen plays a forty yard ball into his path, it's a beautiful sight when it's working in full effect. Guti has massively improved alongside him too.

chris (chris), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Dadaismus has a point i think - just look at this thread for proof of how people neglect Giggs! maybe he would earn more respect and praise if he was playing for England, and not just from English people (maybe England would've come closer to winning stuff with Giggs in the squad), but who can say

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I kind of deliberately overemphasised the gulf in quality between Giggsy and Beckham incidentally - you don't play for Man Utd for 10+ years without being a class act. But Beckham provides something almost irreplacable - nippy wingers are far easier to come by, although admittedly less so on the left side.

Dadaismus = talking bollocks. Ever heard of George Best?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:15 (twenty-one years ago)

George Best is a different thing altogether - I'm talking about very good players not truly great players. Look at Steven Gerrard, he's a good player but no way is he as good as the English media make him out to be. Beckham has gradually become as good as people said he was. Let's not start on Michael Owen however!

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Steven Gerrard is a god amongst men and I challenge you to a duel, Primrose hill, at dawn

chris (chris), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:19 (twenty-one years ago)

gerrard's been great every time i've seen 'pool this season. gerrard is to liverpool as giggs is to wales!

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Gerrard's is beginning to look as good as his press but not before time. Five years of the Liverpool Media Mafia (Hansen, Lawrenson, Dalglish, Barnes etc etc) salivating over him was quite long enough.

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Playing for England is no guarantee of slavering adulation, as Gary Neville, Emile Heskey, Gareth Southgate and virtually all goalkeepers will attest to.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes but there are some turds that are impossible to polish

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:24 (twenty-one years ago)

right that's it, you slag off Emile, you slag off me.

He ran the game against Blackburn apparently

chris (chris), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Heskey's not entirely useless - he's an enigma, that boy. Plus he looks like the young Sun Ra.

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:26 (twenty-one years ago)

he's a misunderstood genius, that's what he is. I stand by my theory that he is the answer to Liverpool's central defender quandry

chris (chris), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Surely that just creates a big man running things upfront quandry?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm with chris on that one. Having seen the revelation that was Chris Sutton's (sadly temporary) move to centre-half, I fully believe Heskey can do exactly the same.

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Sutton started out as a defender didn't he? at Norwich.

Big man up front? Cisse is a tall feller, failing that we sign Jan Koller (ha ha remember him?)

chris (chris), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:31 (twenty-one years ago)

jan koller played in dublin the othr night. he's very tall.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:32 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm hoping Gerrard will be England's star man this Summer - if not Becks or Owen (who seems to be getting back on track at last praise the lord). Heskey is unfairly maligned and I too am intrigued by the centre-half proposal (watch him win those corner headers)

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:33 (twenty-one years ago)

You might be right about Sutton at Norwich.

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:33 (twenty-one years ago)

that's what got me thinking that Steve, he comes back for corners and dominates the area, in no way like he does at Offensive corners.

Sol Campbell's most difficult opponent? Emile Heskey

chris (chris), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:34 (twenty-one years ago)

http://einsiders.com/features/columns/images/immortal3.jpg

admrl, Friday, 13 July 2007 21:43 (eighteen years ago)

i was gonna say slores but it struck me as uncouth~~

cankles, Friday, 13 July 2007 21:46 (eighteen years ago)

I'm really loving Victoria's new hairdo. She's never looked better(was never a big fan before).

Lovelace, Friday, 13 July 2007 22:08 (eighteen years ago)

his pinpoint crosses were directly responsible for england's latest european cup win - probably saving england's manager from getting fired. a lot of people think he's overrated but he still seems capable of zidane-like magic from deadball situations and crosses. also, he looks like sting innit.

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 14 July 2007 18:27 (eighteen years ago)

The awesome curving free kick and the pinpoint cross right to the feet of an oncoming striker are the second and third best things you can possibly do as an attacking footballer. Beckham at his best (like the second half of last season) does them perfectly. It doesn't mean shit that he can't fanny dangle. On last season's form, he is one of the best 20 footballers in the world, no question.

This is, however, something of an Indian summer for him. And whether or not his LA Galaxy form matches up to that of the European leagues is frankly an irrelevance. Until he plays for England of course.

Matt DC, Sunday, 15 July 2007 00:22 (eighteen years ago)

Have you SEEN Major League Soccer?

He'll do fine.

admrl, Sunday, 15 July 2007 01:39 (eighteen years ago)

On the evidence of the games I've seen (that I've been able to sit through), stray passing is yer average MLS player's forte. So he's oing to look like a genius. Plus he'll have Dec, Rod Stewart and Robbie Williams alongside him in midfield. Can't wait.

admrl, Sunday, 15 July 2007 01:44 (eighteen years ago)

england's latest european cup win

england? cup win? you WAG

blueski, Sunday, 15 July 2007 02:26 (eighteen years ago)

can anyone explain the guy's international appeal?

I think a lot of is due the willingness of the media to create a star. It isn't/wasn't entirely up to him. His media persona did grow even bigger once Posh entered the picture and she certainly created his bigger than life persona. The media just followed, really. She's a clever girl, she knows how to work it.

stevienixed, Sunday, 15 July 2007 07:31 (eighteen years ago)

gah well what do you call it when they win a match as part of the european cup tournament?

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 15 July 2007 10:05 (eighteen years ago)

A fluke?

aldo, Sunday, 15 July 2007 10:06 (eighteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

He made his MLS debut tonight against DC. ESPN2 was milking it for all it was worth. There was even the "Beckham Cam" that cut into the main view of the game to show him alternately sitting on the bench, warming up, and even (after he was finally subbed in) running around the field. He had one very nice pass to Donovan who got pwned by the goalie.

Sold out RFK, or near to it, though. Maybe someday he'll get an assist!

dan m, Friday, 10 August 2007 02:07 (eighteen years ago)

Oh yeah, DC won 1-0.

dan m, Friday, 10 August 2007 02:13 (eighteen years ago)

Not as fast as a T. Rex

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 17:39 (eighteen years ago)

The idea that anything could be faster than David Beckham makes me feel physically uncomfortable

That mong guy that's shit, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 18:26 (eighteen years ago)

NY Red Bull beat them 5-4 though, right? Chalk another one up for Juan Pablo Angel.

That mong guy that's shit, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 18:26 (eighteen years ago)

That game was ridic.

dan m, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 18:33 (eighteen years ago)

two months pass...

Beckham & His Gals were denied a playoff berth at the hands of Chicago yesterday. Better luck next year, suckers!

http://chicagoist.com/2007/10/22/fire_defeats_ga.php

dan m, Monday, 22 October 2007 18:47 (seventeen years ago)

nine months pass...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/7555106.stm

Sexy firing

The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics, Tuesday, 12 August 2008 14:36 (seventeen years ago)

David Beckham: Player/Manager, Los Angeles Galaxy

dan m, Tuesday, 12 August 2008 14:39 (seventeen years ago)

also:

Lalas is such a tool, really. I remember hearing him say, in all earnestness, that the Gals would be the first MLS "superclub".

-- dan m, Monday, August 11, 2008 1:44 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

dan m, Tuesday, 12 August 2008 14:40 (seventeen years ago)

Galaxy bought England midfielder David Beckham to the club with a five-year deal worth £130m in July 2007 and have been under intense scrutiny ever since.

US soccer team, LOL @ intense scrutiny

Tom D., Tuesday, 12 August 2008 14:49 (seventeen years ago)

Intense for LA. (Meaning that when not talking about the Lakers, the Dodgers and USC/UCLA there's a general acknowledgement that something is happening somewhere involving soccer maybe.)

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 August 2008 14:51 (seventeen years ago)

Yeah it'll be a long time before the intensity is on par with the NFL or Euro leagues, but the guy basically is the face of MLS at the moment unless you're 1. already a fan of the game or 2. a Blanco fan (vamos Cuau!).

dan m, Tuesday, 12 August 2008 14:55 (seventeen years ago)

one month passes...

http://www.kickette.com/images/uploads/beckhamslego.jpg

A bold plan drawn up by assholes to screw morons (dan m), Friday, 19 September 2008 16:58 (sixteen years ago)

lego boobs are disturbing.

mizzell, Friday, 19 September 2008 17:15 (sixteen years ago)

they just keep on coming

http://theoriginalwinger.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/beckhamstormtrooper.jpg

A bold plan drawn up by assholes to screw morons (dan m), Tuesday, 23 September 2008 18:26 (sixteen years ago)

four months pass...

It was announced this week that David Beckham will be returning to the Galaxy and here's my questions on that:

Who's the Galaxy?

And when did Beckham leave?

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/2009/02/14/2009-02-14_gene_orza_and_donald_fehr_lead_baseballs.html?page=2

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 15 February 2009 14:52 (sixteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/7933407.stm

lol

they probably drink corporate water (country matters), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 00:12 (sixteen years ago)

if he thinks he can raise the profile of the game over there it would seem to be a good business move?

Anthony, I am not an Alcoholic & Drunk (darraghmac), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 12:56 (sixteen years ago)

Oh, I think it's a good idea, just that the potential for comedy capers is huge.

they probably drink corporate water (country matters), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 12:58 (sixteen years ago)

if only dudley moore was still available for the movie, which beckham would no doubt produce for megabucks.

Anthony, I am not an Alcoholic & Drunk (darraghmac), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 13:01 (sixteen years ago)

vinnie jones IS david beckham

they probably drink corporate water (country matters), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 13:02 (sixteen years ago)

if he wanted to raise the profile of the game over there maybe he shouldn't be begging desperately to stay in Milan?

sonderangerbot, Tuesday, 10 March 2009 13:10 (sixteen years ago)

his playing career in the big leagues will last til the end of next season. he'll be able to concentrate on the US league after that. i know what you're saying but it's not exactly tough to see where he's coming from.

Anthony, I am not an Alcoholic & Drunk (darraghmac), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 13:15 (sixteen years ago)

The team will inevitably be called Brooklyn Beckham. I'd prefer him to revive Brooklyn Hakoah myself. Do Americans go in for local rivalries? Because if footy ever took off there properly a New York derby would be pretty cool

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 10 March 2009 21:05 (sixteen years ago)

The problem with an NYC derby is getting enough people to come to EITHER team's games on the regular. Altho when our new stadium opens in 2010 we'll see how much that helps.

How can there be male ladybugs? (Laurel), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 21:09 (sixteen years ago)

He’s a footballer with a stylist, what can be classic or dud about that?

not_goodwin, Tuesday, 10 March 2009 21:10 (sixteen years ago)

Altho there are some NYC peeps who have refused to support the existing NY team since the Red Bull buy-out in 2006, those guys have been agitating (kind of prattishly) for a Brooklyn- or Queens-based team. But why split the base when it's too small already?

How can there be male ladybugs? (Laurel), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 21:11 (sixteen years ago)

four years pass...

rip

i gave ten pounds and all i got was a lousy * (darraghmac), Thursday, 16 May 2013 14:27 (twelve years ago)

What a player though

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 16 May 2013 14:44 (twelve years ago)

#legend #banter

... (LocalGarda), Thursday, 16 May 2013 14:49 (twelve years ago)

What a player though

Not according to Glenn Hoddle

Bees Against Racism (Tom D.), Saturday, 18 May 2013 09:11 (twelve years ago)

LOL that should be Chris Waddle of course!

Bees Against Racism (Tom D.), Saturday, 18 May 2013 09:13 (twelve years ago)

Someone should make waddle sit down and put together his list of 1000 premier league players better than David beckam tbh, fucking daft thing to say

Windsor Davies, Saturday, 18 May 2013 09:52 (twelve years ago)

I wouldn't say he's the best, but he's in the top one thousand

Ismael Klata, Saturday, 18 May 2013 09:58 (twelve years ago)

David if you read these comments Thank You for many years of good football

:) :)

well he's retired now, so he can spend all of his days readings comments on newspaper sites about him

Ludo, Saturday, 18 May 2013 09:59 (twelve years ago)

whatta quitter

http://www.theonion.com/articles/david-beckham-announces-hes-a-quitter,32463/

you're going home in a crispy ambulance (cajunsunday), Saturday, 18 May 2013 10:22 (twelve years ago)

three years pass...

Becks a cunt... allegedly.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2780648/david-beckham-emails-unicef-charity-knighthood/

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Saturday, 4 February 2017 18:34 (eight years ago)

Sending abusive letters to the honours committees is probably worth a shot. Billy Connolly spent decades brown-nosing the royals and only got a CBE for his efforts. Becks was on Desert Island Discs yesterday - Things you don't care about etc...

calzino, Saturday, 4 February 2017 20:58 (eight years ago)


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