Nick Cave Classic or Dud

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On TV at the moment is a Nick Cave video. It is a dsong about ships, and there are lots of ethereal looking little children everywhere. Tjere are also three men in dark suits singing in close harmony. Now is it just me or has Nick Cave's carreer gone downhill since the Birthday Party?

oh sweet jesus he is holding a little girls hand. ROCK AND ROLL!

Menelaus Darcy, Friday, 26 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I assume you're describing the video for "The Ship Song," one of the five best songs and performances ever, a revelation in terms of emotional impact and a reason to continue living in a sad, horrible world.

Which means you can guess my answer, and I stick my tongue out at you. :-P But shouldn't this be at ILM, or have we finally stopped caring about the distinction? ;-)

Ned Raggett, Friday, 26 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

nick rocks, esp his later stuff, he is the new old new leonard cohen...fuckin kiwis and their fucking neil finns.

Geoff, Friday, 26 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ned is right, it's a very beautiful and moving song.

Sean, Friday, 26 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

see my fabulously (fabolosly?) newly returned blog for my take on this. (go to nylpm, since i can't be arsed to do html today.)

jess, Friday, 26 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Nick Cave is Awesome! One of my most frequent listens, excepting the Boatman's Call, which is probably what the video you saw is from.

Hank, Friday, 26 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Has his career gone downhill? Well, 'The Ship Song' was released in 1990. If you had asked this after watching the video for '15 Feet of Pure White Snow' it would have made a little more sense.
In any case, the answer is 'no'.

DavidM, Friday, 26 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I haven't heard a wide enough range of his music to answer your second question properly, but on the basis of Murder Ballads he is definitely classic.

Maria, Friday, 26 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i saw the birthday party, they sucked. they were like kids throwing a tantrum on stage & trying to hurt the audience w/ volume & treble & rudeness. we (audience) were like, "whatever. like it's our fault you couldnt score in this town". his solo stuff is much worse tho'.

duane, Friday, 26 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

so we all went home & listened to our neil finn albums.

, Friday, 26 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The Brthday Party = classic. Nick Cave = dud.

ps geoff we do not listen to neil finn here, we listen to SHAYNE CARTER!!!

di, Friday, 26 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Who's Neil Finn? Is that another australian rawk star?

hamish, Friday, 26 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

hamish - i is gonna come over and cut off yr split enz balls.

Geoff, Saturday, 27 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

nick cave is so dark and deep and scary writing about murder and shit i shiver .

anthonyeaston, Saturday, 27 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Neil Finn, if there was any justice in the world, or a god, would have struck down. He is so awful I feel like me soul is being sucked out of my ear drums each time i hear him. As for Nick Cave, well I found that emotional ballad wailing about lost girlfriend thing pretty damn boring, but I see that he has a following on line so I will be less categorical in future.

Posting on the ILM forum is not something I generally do, and I figured that music fits in within the realm of everything. I did not realise the distinction was so clearly defined.

Menelaus Darcy, Saturday, 27 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Not really, but generally speaking yes. Myself, I've always preferred to argue that everything includes music, but the two have continued thrive as separate forums.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 28 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

two years pass...
What would you say to Nick Cave?

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 2 April 2004 22:36 (twenty-two years ago)

"if your next album is going to suck as much as the last one, please don't even bother"

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Friday, 2 April 2004 22:49 (twenty-two years ago)

"Hi."

NA (Nick A.), Friday, 2 April 2004 22:58 (twenty-two years ago)

"Will you autograph my testicles?"

NA (Nick A.), Friday, 2 April 2004 22:59 (twenty-two years ago)

What would you say to Nick Cave?

Who does your hair?

http://staal-j.greatnow.com/birthdayp.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 2 April 2004 23:00 (twenty-two years ago)

is it me or does nick zinner from YYY's look exactly like nick cave?

JaXoN (JasonD), Friday, 2 April 2004 23:20 (twenty-two years ago)

They do resemble each other, it is true.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 3 April 2004 04:01 (twenty-two years ago)

If Nick Cave had been around in the 70s I would probably have got right into him, and as it is I find his work interesting, but I got a right larf out of the reactions by his 'hard-core' to his Kylie album.

Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Saturday, 3 April 2004 07:03 (twenty-two years ago)

three years pass...

"From Her To Eternity" is a blisteringly good title track for what I recall as an unremarkable album.

Bimble, Sunday, 9 March 2008 19:18 (eighteen years ago)

one year passes...

Smart, Long, Lifephones (Bimble), Sunday, 3 May 2009 05:26 (sixteen years ago)

From Her To Eternity and Henry's Dream are probably the only two solo Cave albums I really got into.

SQUIRREL WITH A PEOPLE FACE (╓abies), Sunday, 3 May 2009 05:56 (sixteen years ago)

my mom started trying to date people on the internet & one of the dudes listed nick cave as an interest. my mom called me and was like, "IS HE THE ONE ON DRUGS???"

classic.

pterodactyl, Sunday, 3 May 2009 22:49 (sixteen years ago)

three years pass...

Went to the final tour rehearsal for the new album last night, at a leisure centre ballroom in Hove … and good God the new songs were boring, apart from Jubilee Street or whatever it's called. Not a single melody between them.

Manfred Mann meets Man Parrish (ithappens), Saturday, 9 February 2013 12:41 (thirteen years ago)

nine months pass...

Who is George Vjestica? I'm having a hard time finding any references fro him and he appears to be the Bad Seeds's latest guitarist.
Not sure if his website has a bio cos it just looks like a glossy gallery with next to no info but could be that my server is failing to navigate it properly. Just can't find a tab or anything to get me to any info about him anyway. http://www.georgevjestica.com/

He appears on a couple of the tracks on the last lp playing 12 string guitar and is part of the current touring line up
" Nick Cave (vocals, piano), Warren Ellis (violin, flute, guitars, devices,..), George Vjestica (guitars),
Martyn P Casey (bass), Conway Savage (keyboards), Barry Adamson (keyboards,drums,xylophone) and Jim Sclavunos (drums,percussion) "

but I can't see anything beyond taht

Stevolende, Monday, 25 November 2013 16:56 (twelve years ago)

In that picture she looks 14.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 25 November 2013 18:33 (twelve years ago)

Or very young, regardless. Rock and roll.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 25 November 2013 18:34 (twelve years ago)

two years pass...

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/nov/05/bob-dylan-nobel-favourite-songwriter

Nick Cave by Ian Rankin

“Hands up who wants to die?!!” Those were the first frantic words I heard Nick Cave sing. They’re from the opening track of a 1983 four-track EP by the Birthday Party, a thing of Grand Guignol excess culminating in a four-minute horror film (“Deep in the Woods”). From the beginning, Cave was an artist who immersed the listener in revelatory imagery and creeping doom. The Old Testament, delta blues, and Sergio Leone westerns infused his song writing. He could be urgent and kinetic, or mellow and thoughtful. “The Ship Song” could have been penned by Leonard Cohen, but it’s hard to imagine anyone other than Cave creating darkly compelling narratives such as “Red Right Hand” and “Jubilee Street”, while his album Murder Ballads has a body count that would shame Tarantino. Cave’s new album, Skeleton Tree, is a starkly intense listen, foregrounded by personal tragedy. That he makes art from his loss is testament to his sense of duty to the songwriter’s craft, and the title track (which closes the album) is full of quiet yearning, along with acceptance and resolution. The album as a whole reminds me a little of Dylan’s masterpiece “Blood on the Tracks”. Cave himself may not be getting the Nobel any time soon, but right now he is one of our very best lyricists and storytellers. It will be fascinating to see what he does next.

• Rather Be the Devil by Ian Rankin is published by Orion.

Stevolende, Sunday, 6 November 2016 11:25 (nine years ago)

eight months pass...

Posted this in the obit thread but wanted to give him abit more of a moment in the sun:

Producer/Engineer Tony Cohen has passed, aged 60
Worked with Nick from the Boys Next Door/Birthday Party all the way through the 90's

http://themusic.com.au/news/all/2017/08/03/legendary-aussie-producer-and-sound-engineer-tony-cohen-dies-aged-60/

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 3 August 2017 17:57 (eight years ago)

eight months pass...

There's a synchronised/linked up showing of a concert from Copenhagen last year happening Thursday next week. Called Distant Sky after a track on Skeleton Tree.

Thought there would be talk about it already but not seeing anything.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:59 (eight years ago)

Did anybody go to one of these Distant Sky showings last night? JUst wondering if there was anything else on the program apart from the concert film. The manager of the local cinema had the film ending 20 minutes later than it did. So wondering if there might have been any live comment or anything.

The film itself is beautifully done and the performance is pretty great.
I spent half the film wondering who the 2nd keyboardist Larry Mullins was, face rings a bell but I don't think I've sen him as a bad Seed before.
Odd to think that most of the performers on stage were about 10 years older than me cos they've retained a level of vitality.

Wish I could afford to see the Dublin gig this year. Got told somebody I met at a radio station party a couple of days back was offered tickets at €250 each by an old teacher of theirs. Heard that the tickets sold out from official outlets in 3 days.

Stevolende, Friday, 13 April 2018 11:09 (seven years ago)

spent half the film wondering who the 2nd keyboardist Larry Mullins was,

he's the dad of the drummer out of u2 iirc

#TheBeatlesIn5Words Both surviving members are Vegan (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 13 April 2018 12:55 (seven years ago)

Doing another short American tour later this year w/ Cigarettes After Sex opening. They've booked the Air Canada Center here in TO which is....ambitious imo (20k capacity!)

Simon H., Friday, 13 April 2018 13:45 (seven years ago)

https://www.discogs.com/artist/286494-Larry-Mullins

҉ (sic), Friday, 13 April 2018 16:30 (seven years ago)

Thanks. Yeah seemed to be somebody I thought I ought to know and I think I have seen the face somewhere before. Though maybe he looks like Fatty Arbuckle or someone.

Stevolende, Friday, 13 April 2018 18:06 (seven years ago)

one year passes...

http://www.fromthearchives.org/bp/Forcedexposure6.jpg
the Forcedexposure Birthday party era interview which I wish i had a physical copy of.
Hadn't realised that was the story on NYC shows, unplugged by the bouncers after a curtailed set.
Anyway glad I've seen this now and wish Forcedexposure would do an anthology of at least the first few issues cos I don't have the first few.

Stevolende, Monday, 17 February 2020 11:28 (six years ago)


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