Jews: where do Hassidic / Orthodox Jews buy their clothes?

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A serious question. Where do you get yarmalukes, those wide-brimmed hats, black outfits?

― cooleyhighharmony (roger adultery), Thursday, 15 April 2004 00:32 (twenty-one years ago)

The Mormons have magic underwear stores you know!

― Lil' Fancy Kpants (The K is Silent) (ex machina), Thursday, 15 April 2004 00:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I want Tefillin, like real bad.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 15 April 2004 00:37 (twenty-one years ago)

There are stores that sell religious apparel and goods.

― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 15 April 2004 00:37 (twenty-one years ago)

You might find some in Borough Park (Brooklyn).

― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 15 April 2004 00:38 (twenty-one years ago)

There are some nice Orthodox hats out there, I must admit.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 15 April 2004 00:40 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.tznius.com

― tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Thursday, 15 April 2004 00:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, some of that shit is stylin'.

Actually, it's about time I dug out some of my old Saturday morning get-up. I'd probably look super-hip and ironic.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 15 April 2004 01:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Only if you combined the yarmulke with a trucker hat.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 15 April 2004 01:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Only if you combined the yarmulke with a trucker hat.

i am actually surprised that you DON'T see this in williamsburg (which, pre-hipster invasion, was best known for its orthodox community).

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 15 April 2004 01:15 (twenty-one years ago)

When I was in Spain a few years ago, I saw a group of Hasidim at the Madrid airport. With them they had a huge baggage carrier cart full of boxes of those black hats. And on the side a label said, 'Made in Williamsburg, Brooklyn, NY.'

PS, a great way to see that neighborhood is via the B61 bus.

― 57 7th (calstars), Thursday, 15 April 2004 01:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, it'd be cool to pull it off like Benicio del Toro in Snatch. But it would only really work if you had a gun.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 15 April 2004 01:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Btw, I stopped by a (Orthodox) Passover dinner my mom was at a couple weeks ago. One guy looked EXACTLY like a Hassidic Tom Green, and one looked EXACTLY like a Hassidic Jason Lee.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 15 April 2004 01:40 (twenty-one years ago)

moishe da shulcat.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 15 April 2004 01:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I should stop and ask Gary Lucas next time. I always see him walking around in full Hasidic regalia.

― Jay Vee (Manon_70), Thursday, 15 April 2004 01:42 (twenty-one years ago)

He was at the Knitting Factory's Downtown Seder this Passover.

― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 15 April 2004 01:47 (twenty-one years ago)

One guy looked EXACTLY like a Hassidic Tom Green, and one looked EXACTLY like a Hassidic Jason Lee.

Okay, so two Hasids with beards?

― Girolamo Savonarola, Thursday, 15 April 2004 02:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, the one looked EXACTLY like Tom Green if Tom Green had no beard. And was a Jew.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 15 April 2004 02:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Wait, I take that back, he did have a goatee. So, yeah.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 15 April 2004 02:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Three of those Orthodox guys were in the pub last night, watching Newcastle v. PSV Eindhoven and a-hoopin' and a-hollerin' when Newcastle scored - my Jewish friend reckons it was because Newcastle play in black and white.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 15 April 2004 08:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Or, presumably, because the pub was also in Newcastle?

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 15 April 2004 09:00 (twenty-one years ago)

No, it was in London

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 15 April 2004 09:00 (twenty-one years ago)

who has seen the film 'the pianist' with the jew in it. i never used to really care about jews but that film made me deeply sympathize with them

― CAss (CAss), Thursday, 15 April 2004 09:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Pardon? The jew?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 15 April 2004 09:04 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah the jew

― CAss (CAss), Thursday, 15 April 2004 09:08 (twenty-one years ago)

You mean like "Passion of the Jew" sorry "Passion of the Christ"?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 15 April 2004 09:10 (twenty-one years ago)

no i just mean the jew.

― CAss (CAss), Thursday, 15 April 2004 09:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Let me guess, you're from Europe somewhere?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 15 April 2004 09:12 (twenty-one years ago)

yep. why?

― CAss (CAss), Thursday, 15 April 2004 09:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I could guess from the strange attitude to Jews

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 15 April 2004 09:30 (twenty-one years ago)

why strange?

― CAss (CAss), Thursday, 15 April 2004 09:30 (twenty-one years ago)

We have Jewish people in Europe too you know.

(Though the attitude is odd)

― Anna (Anna), Thursday, 15 April 2004 09:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm in Europe... not continental Europe however

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 15 April 2004 09:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Err yeah... v.odd.

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 15 April 2004 09:38 (twenty-one years ago)

you're just bitter.

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 15 April 2004 09:39 (twenty-one years ago)

i know. im friends with a jewish person. its not as if i have something against them, but i also am interested in what Hitler and whoever else opposes them has to say

― CAss (CAss), Thursday, 15 April 2004 09:39 (twenty-one years ago)

All this "them" stuff is a trifle, errrrrrrrrrrr, disconcerting

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 15 April 2004 09:39 (twenty-one years ago)

dont be so uptight. i would refer to any large group of people as them.

― CAss (CAss), Thursday, 15 April 2004 09:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Cass, although nothing you've said has been obviously negative it's your willingness to single out a group of people in a very us-and-them manner I think people find disconcerting.

― Anna (Anna), Thursday, 15 April 2004 09:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyway. Next to Stoke Newington Station (London, UK, Europe) are a couple of second hand shops where a thrifty/broke/shabby chic seeking person can buy all manner of hats etc. They had an excellent selection of puffy alice bands for the laydeez last time I looked.

― Madchen (Madchen), Thursday, 15 April 2004 09:51 (twenty-one years ago)

no i think people are just overeacting. if i wanted to refer to lets say my parents about something i would say 'they'. am i not singling out my parents?

― CAss (CAss), Thursday, 15 April 2004 09:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Borough Park, NY is Judiaca Central. But there are stores in every city with a notable Jewish population where "they" buy their garb.

― mike a, Thursday, 15 April 2004 12:26 (twenty-one years ago)

"im friends with a jewish person."

Wow, the "some of my best friends are..." line!

― mike a, Thursday, 15 April 2004 12:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyone else seen Hassids beating their kids on more than one occasion? I'm all for discipline, but DAYum.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 15 April 2004 12:36 (twenty-one years ago)

i've seen lots of people beating their kids in public

― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 15 April 2004 12:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Conceded.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 15 April 2004 12:44 (twenty-one years ago)

i dunno, but i know where they buy their electronic hardware - have you ever been to the photo/video/etc megamall i NYC, on the corner of 9th and 35th or something? it's a complete mindfuck. everyone is wearing traditional jewish clothing, apart from a few black people at the counter. everyone has the curls and the beards and the hats. it's like being in the old testament, but with a lot of camcorders. wow.

― Jay Kid (Jay K), Thursday, 15 April 2004 12:45 (twenty-one years ago)

you know people wouldn't have dressed like that in biblical palestine...

― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 15 April 2004 12:46 (twenty-one years ago)

desert climate and all

― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 15 April 2004 12:46 (twenty-one years ago)

whatever. it's like being in jerusalem, then! i guess - i've never been.

― Jay Kid (Jay K), Thursday, 15 April 2004 12:48 (twenty-one years ago)

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Y'all should write it, BNW. :-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 15 April 2004 17:39 (twenty-one years ago)

"What seems to be emerging on the thread is a mood of To which the best response is something (gasp) Bin Laden says in his new tape: 'In my hands there is a message to remind you that justice is a duty towards those whom you love and those whom you do not.' Now, if only he would practise what he preaches. "

"what seems to be emerging" -- do you think perhaps my quite explicit, clearly layed-out ambivalence on this matter might have had something to do with this vague sense of yours?

there are, indeed, certain behaviors that--believe it or not--are both "different" and "bad"! not to suggest that any particular one of common behaviors amongst ultraotrhodox jews fall into that category, but i thought that for your edification i'd let you know that it exists.

― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 15 April 2004 18:43 (twenty-one years ago)

i.e. what you perceive as a conflation of "bad" and "different" --which, if it exists in the real world, is still largely a bogeyman on this thread-- is no more facile and dubious than the conflation of "different" and "good" by which you salute "orthodox jews" (your brothers in bohemia?) on your web site. neither bothers to take into account the particular nature and diversity of t heir practices or the function they serve within the orthodox community.

― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 15 April 2004 18:46 (twenty-one years ago)

conflation of "bad" and "different"... is no more facile and dubious than the conflation of "different" and "good"

But a lot more friendly.

― Momus (Momus), Thursday, 15 April 2004 18:53 (twenty-one years ago)

i suppose, but it's about as "friendly" as any other "positive" stereotype; i.e. it has the same effect of condescending to the subject.

― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 15 April 2004 18:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Was it good candy?

no.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 15 April 2004 18:55 (twenty-one years ago)

(it was different and bad)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 15 April 2004 18:56 (twenty-one years ago)

you would say that

― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 15 April 2004 18:57 (twenty-one years ago)

i meant it in a friendly way!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 15 April 2004 18:58 (twenty-one years ago)

That is what I suspected. Were they P&Ps?

― tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Thursday, 15 April 2004 19:07 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm not familiar with those! they were chewy and fruity.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 15 April 2004 19:39 (twenty-one years ago)

P&Ps are rip-off M&Ms

― tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Thursday, 15 April 2004 20:29 (twenty-one years ago)

somehow the fact that it was bad candy makes it more endearing

― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 15 April 2004 20:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh man, someone gave me P&Ps for Purim. Still haven't tried them.

― mike a, Thursday, 15 April 2004 20:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Rosemary is like the Ask Jeeves of Judaica!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 15 April 2004 20:41 (twenty-one years ago)

now if somebody would explain the existence of celery-based soda to me. what is that all about?

― kjoerup, Thursday, 15 April 2004 20:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Dr. Brown's Cel-Ray falls into the category of "Jewish cuisine I avoid," pursuant to that other thread awhile back about gefilte fish.

― mike a, Thursday, 15 April 2004 20:45 (twenty-one years ago)

i love celery soda!!!!!!!!

― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 15 April 2004 20:46 (twenty-one years ago)

as awful as celery soda tastes, there is something even worse (and secular!): big red soda from waco, texas. it's bright red, tastes like bubble gum and red licorice. truly vile stuff. i think it's the drink of choice for rednecks. and i even once saw a photo of george w. guzzling this horrid concoction.

― kjoerup, Thursday, 15 April 2004 20:50 (twenty-one years ago)

that kinda sounds good

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 15 April 2004 20:52 (twenty-one years ago)

i mean, who has ever looked at celery and said "man, if only there was a way to drink that"!? yknow? (laughter)... crazy, just crazy... (sips bottled water)... so, i started seeing this girl a couple weeks ago... father's a taxidermist...

― m. (mitchlnw), Thursday, 15 April 2004 20:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I live in the middle of an ultra-orthodox Jewish enclave (hence the lame pun in my name), and I can't for dear life work out why all the Jewish ladies dress up to the hilt for their Saturday worship, but when the weather's bad they never carry an umbrella but wear those dreadful old-lady accordion plastic bonnets. A thousand-dollar wardrobe and a ten-cent rain hat. It seems crazy to me as an outsider, but undoubtedly there's some logic to it which is obvious to them.

Just curious, not mocking anybody's religious practices....

― Holden Caulfield North, Friday, 23 April 2004 01:59 (twenty-one years ago)

orthodox jews forbid the carrying of any objects on the sabbath, so an umbrella is out of the question completely.

― AaronK (AaronK), Friday, 23 April 2004 16:08 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...

b&h is a GREAT camera store, BTW. it's a few blocks west of penn station/madison square garden. i don't think that it's in an orthodox jewish neighborhood (though there is a synagogue a block away). also, i heard somewhere that hasidic dress was based at least partially on the 18th century wardrobe of the polish bourgeoisie.

though i am not jewish, and generally not favorably inclined to ultra-religious people (and not to this whole rebbe-business that the lubavichers engage in), my encounters with hasidic people have been pretty pleasant. but it seems that you need a scorecard to keep track of the different hasidic communities in and around NYC (e.g., what's the difference b/w the lubavichers, the shatmar, and the kiryas yoel?)

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 29 May 2004 03:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Fuck fuck fuck B&H.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Saturday, 29 May 2004 03:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Worst customer service I've ever encountered, high prices on used gear, and you can mailorder everything they stock new for the same price from equally reputable shops.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Saturday, 29 May 2004 03:50 (twenty-one years ago)

i never had a problem w/ b&h. but then i went to the store, i haven't dealt w/ their mail-order operation.

oh yeah -- the other day, i saw the rebbe's mitzvah-mobile when i was having lunch!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 29 May 2004 03:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm incredibly bitter about a $1000 purchase they tried to screw me over on at Christmas that took almost two months to get cleared up.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Saturday, 29 May 2004 04:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Snoods
Casual & Formal
Can't beat it.

― Skottie, Saturday, 29 May 2004 04:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Kiryas Joel is a village in "upstate" NY populated by Satmar Hasidism. To answer the original question, they buy their clothes at Woodbury Common.

― tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Saturday, 29 May 2004 12:13 (twenty-one years ago)

two months pass...

Only if you combined the yarmulke with a trucker hat.

Do baseball caps count? Because yesterday on my street I saw a Hasidic man wearing one.

― tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Saturday, 14 August 2004 00:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Popular item among Hasidic ladies: those shiny Harrods tote bags. I haven't quite figured out why yet.

― tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Saturday, 14 August 2004 00:13 (twenty-one years ago)

ten months pass...

The reason why singing is allowed on shabbat while playing an instrument is not is because playing an instrument is work, while singing is actually the singing/chanting or prayers. There is actually a ruling somewhere (Talmud? mnm, don't remember) that says that you should always sing/chant prayers, the reasoning being that it makes them easier to remember - they sink in more.

― you better believe it (you better believe it), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 17:22 (twenty years ago)

Aha, even better - so, work is not allowed on shabbos. Playing an instrument is technically allowed, but it is not done because if it broke then you might fix it (ie, do work) without remembering that work is forbidden.

― you better believe it (you better believe it), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 17:39 (twenty years ago)

which is pretty plausible if the instrument is something like a guitar.

is Kiyras Joel the place with all the bungalows up in the catskills or something?

― AaronK (AaronK), Thursday, 14 July 2005 02:12 (twenty years ago)

no, the bungalows in the catskills are more summer homes, this a full time village.

Although I think there may be more full time communties springing up in Sullivan County, which, previously, has been kind of depressed/run down.

― tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Thursday, 14 July 2005 02:15 (twenty years ago)

Singing takes work and 'fixing' if you're a bad singer!

Buncha rockists.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 14 July 2005 02:21 (twenty years ago)

Could you tune your guitar?

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 14 July 2005 02:25 (twenty years ago)

I love how that Cass weirdo jumped up and down like a yappy little dog for a few posts and was so totally ignored that she had to give up. I seem to recall she tried this on a few other threads as well. What a strange person.

― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 14 July 2005 03:38 (twenty years ago)

teenage girls are scary

im 17 and no one has ever called me scary before. except for when i get really angry. but then again isnt everyone?

-- CAss (CassandraKollakis@hotmail.com

(PS - Trayce, I distinguish between sexual orientation and gender alignment. That other thread got locked because of whineypants.)

― Jon, remind me again why you haven't drowned in your own vomit (ex machina), Thursday, 14 July 2005 03:43 (twenty years ago)

as a jew born in the usa, im frankly amazed at the nonsense some people are talking about, if its the dress you dont like , havent you seen pictures how our founding fathers like george washington dressed? i think it resembled a little more to the hassidic dress code than to the baseball cap, t shirt and jeans from our days, and the women of that era? i think the hassidic women of today are a little more fashionable, does that make you smarter then our founding fathers?

― david gold, Thursday, 14 July 2005 12:52 (twenty years ago)

while searching for pictures of sheitles and not finding them, I tried searching "jewish hair". you'll get this, of all things:

http://www.zu-doof.de/pix/freizeit/bilder/jewish-hair.jpg

its NOT safe for work.

anyway, i still think tznius.com is funny especially sheitles - ie, hair snoods. also, this thread goes into the history of hassidic dressing customs, as well as halachic explainations.

― AaronK (AaronK), Thursday, 14 July 2005 13:56 (twenty years ago)

Hassidic Jewish men buy their special hassidic jewish clothes in specialty shops

Long coats can be bought at G&G, Roth Clothing, Kesser Clothing, and others - there are regular ones that look like suits for weekdays and shiny silk or silky polyester ones for sabbath, holidays, and special occasions like weddings. the buttons go right-over-left, for kabbalistic reasons.

these stores are located in Hassidic communties, like Williamsburg, and Boro Park, Brooklyn, Monsey, and Monroe, upstate NY, and in Golders Green London, and in hassidic communties in the Holy Land, such as Jerusalem and Bnei Brak.

the hats are specially made for hassidim, and are sold in hat stores in those communities.

then there are fur-brimmed sabbath hats worn by married men that cost over $1000

Non-hassidim wear regular black fedorah hats, as do the most modern of hassidic sects, the lubavitchers

they wear regular suits, and might wear frock coats too, but usually not the hassidic type

some non-hassidim wear the long shiny coat (bekeshe) on the sabbath, usually only in the house like a smoking jacket

the reason for long clothes is because in Bible times everyone wore long robes with belts and hats, usually turbans, and the hassidic garb is a modernization of the biblical clothes, by adding buttons and lapels, but the idea comes from the way Jewish people always dressed. the first Jews who did not wear long clothes were the German Jews, but the practice eventually went even to many hassidim.

hmmmmm
what else do u want to know?

btw - B&H has been rated as one of the best camera stores in NY for courtesy and honesty. most camera stores are notorious for being dishonest - and this one is very honest because of our holy faith

also
the Hassidic "Ask Jeeves" is "Ask Moses" but its run by Lubavitchers, and they dont know much about satmar and other sects because Lubavitchers are very modern and dress like non-jews with beards and hats - they are the prosletizing ones - everyone else just wants to be left alone and love everyone -

to find out about Kiryas Joel see www.kjvoice.com

love :)

― real life hassidic jew, Thursday, 14 July 2005 22:02 (twenty years ago)

hi!

Why are black Harrods bags so popular amongst some Hasidic ladies?

I didn't know Kiryas Joel had gone online, interesting.

― tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Thursday, 14 July 2005 22:13 (twenty years ago)

btw - B&H has been rated as one of the best camera stores in NY for courtesy and honesty. most camera stores are notorious for being dishonest - and this one is very honest because of our holy faith

I have done business with B&H. And it was good.

― giboyeux (skowly), Thursday, 14 July 2005 22:22 (twenty years ago)

I could have sworn this said "Jaws: [...]". It was confusing me.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 15 July 2005 03:33 (twenty years ago)

I have done business with B&H. And it was good.

A trip to B&H is like a little holiday, even if the guys in the used department only pay attention to you if you are cuet and blonde (read: not me), and got help you if you're there when the little conveyor belt thing goes down... it's kinda funny actually.

― Jimmy Mod Is Sick of Being The Best At Everything (ModJ), Friday, 15 July 2005 03:44 (twenty years ago)

The conveyor belts!!!!!

― giboyeux (skowly), Friday, 15 July 2005 03:45 (twenty years ago)

and little wee elevators for the baskets to go up and down on...

― Jimmy Mod Is Sick of Being The Best At Everything (ModJ), Friday, 15 July 2005 03:55 (twenty years ago)

seven months pass...

want to see if this posts first.

― dubz, Wednesday, 1 March 2006 04:34 (nineteen years ago)

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