Abu Ghraib

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Did anybody besides me watch 60 Minutes II & learn with horror that U.S. soldiers appear to have engaged in the routine humiliation & torture of prisoners-of-war in Iraq at Abu Ghraib - and photographed themselves doing it?

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 29 April 2004 01:14 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/27/60II/main614063.shtml

Salon was asking questions about this a few weeks ago, too, but didn't have all the details. 60 Minutes showed some of the photgraphs. They are unambiguously horrifying, willful degradation of prisoners for the sheer hell of it. The sorta thing that makes you feel ashamed to even be a human being.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 29 April 2004 01:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Possibly related or not, but here's another horrifying WMV showing said humiliation to alleged wood looters.

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 29 April 2004 02:46 (twenty-one years ago)

more horrifically excessive punishment than humiliation, that.

although sgt. sadist's excuse making looked like buck-passing of the worst variety, the command structure clearly needs a major looking at. if you're taking photos of this shit, you're probably just sick, but in db's video it looked like a bunch of clueless kids who had no idea how to respond to freaking wood-stealing. that kind of thing can be avoided.

catalog this as reason #3361783 why war is generally not a good thing.

John (jdahlem), Thursday, 29 April 2004 03:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Can I just get an "amen" for how much I detest these fucking douchebags' violations of war conventions in the name of America?

Meanwhile, the folks on Freerepublic.com would blow an artery if this had happened to 'Merikkans.

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Thursday, 29 April 2004 03:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, you don't need to look so far to get those kind of reactions.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 29 April 2004 05:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Court martials ahoy. Just gotta love how the training and everything was handled too.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 29 April 2004 12:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I particularly like this:

"sometimes, you would just give them a little nudge or something like that just to get them to cooperate so we could get the mission accomplished"

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Thursday, 29 April 2004 13:05 (twenty-one years ago)

"nudge" haha

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Thursday, 29 April 2004 13:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Indefensible, and, unfortunately, nothing new -- and not limited to American soldiers. There was a case a few years ago where UN peacekeepers from Belgium were found torturing people in Somalia, a story broken in the Village Voice. The cover that week was brave and disarming -- a photo of two soldiers holding a Somali man over a fire. It's reproduced at the bottom of the page here.

m.e.a. (m.e.a.), Thursday, 29 April 2004 13:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Their defense is really bizarre. "We didn't have any orders, or know what we should do", like the default mode for soldiers is to find some people and fuck with them.

I do have an item of morbid curiosity: when it says There are shots of the prisoners stacked in a pyramid, Do they mean like gymnastics, or like cordwood?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 29 April 2004 13:54 (twenty-one years ago)

"We didn't have any orders, or know what we should do", like the default mode for soldiers is to find some people and fuck with them.

Yeah, I find that patently ridiculous. I suspect there's more to it than that but if that's a direct quote from the interview pre-production and editing then frankly...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 29 April 2004 14:00 (twenty-one years ago)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3669331.stm

cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 30 April 2004 01:34 (twenty-one years ago)

These guys are bringing freedom to Iraq... you can't make an omelet without breaking eggs...

how do you spell omelet anyway?

DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 30 April 2004 12:42 (twenty-one years ago)

nine months pass...
http://www.defamer.com/hollywood/palazzo-abu-ghraib.jpg

firstworldman (firstworldman), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 19:37 (twenty years ago)

Torture by the US? Oh heavens no. Thank god some JAGs are standing up as they can.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 19:43 (twenty years ago)

two years pass...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6968989.stm

*slow handclaps*

StanM, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 17:41 (eighteen years ago)

this thing goes all the way to the lower middle

Hurting 2, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 17:42 (eighteen years ago)

one month passes...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/09/30/wburma530.xml

*more slow handclaps*

StanM, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 07:49 (seventeen years ago)

ignore that link, I meant this one:

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/10/01/america/NA-GEN-US-Abu-Ghraib-Frederick.php

StanM, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 07:50 (seventeen years ago)


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