Victor Pelevin: C/D?

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reread "babylon" last week, felt it better than before, previously thought it disappointing in light of "clay machine gun". it tends to get dull when he takes mushrooms except that time when he's at home. the bit where he tricks himself into not vomiting is fucking funny. the sprite ad is fucking funny. the absurdity just about manages to avoid being half-assed subversion and is instead sorta delirious and satisfying. what percentage of the Che Geuvara analysis of advertising did yalll grasp? Wot dýou generally fuckin rekkin?

, Monday, 3 May 2004 10:29 (twenty-one years ago)

"Omon Ra" was good, though not the most original book I've read. Still, a fun read.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 3 May 2004 10:36 (twenty-one years ago)

i didn't know everyone had suddenly developed an immense distrust for contemporary Russian literature

, Tuesday, 4 May 2004 07:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm interested in reading Omon Ra -- can people describe it a bit more? Does it have a conventional narrative structure? When is it set, what's happening in the beginning etc etc.

m-ry-nn (m-ry-nn), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 07:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I haven't read it, but from various sources i have gathered that it's about a space mission organised in the ussr and it follows the life of one cosmonaut.

, Tuesday, 4 May 2004 07:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Omon Ra is a great little book, far more an extended short story, an allegory for dissolution with the Soviet Union, a loss of innocence tale. The narrative structure is much more convertional than Generation P/Babylon or the Clay Machine Gun.

The Clay machine Gun stands as one of my all time favourite novels. Contemporary Russian literature is one of the most exiting things in literature today.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 08:02 (twenty-one years ago)

could you recommend some other folks, and maybe give me a jist of their respective shticks? thanks.

, Tuesday, 4 May 2004 08:05 (twenty-one years ago)

To understand where these guys are coming from, start by reading the Master and the Margerita by Bulgakov. Written in the 30s it nearly got him sent to the gulags, it's a fantasy on the moscow of his time. The devil comes to moscow and holds a grand ball.

Ambrose to thread, re other authors.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 09:52 (twenty-one years ago)

andrey kurkov is top class. death and the penguin is the best thing i read last year. havent read his new one yet.

ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 10:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Is that 'the naked pioneer girl'? Suzy has read and reviewed that but I haven't got round to it yet.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 10:44 (twenty-one years ago)

er nop its The Case of the General's Thumb. maybe its not very new. its new in my world, which is 2003. i have annas copy, excpet i have lost it.

ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 11:31 (twenty-one years ago)

It's Mikhail Kononov. I have to dispense with this bloody atlee biography so I can start reading properly again. I don't know why I don't just give it up but I can't.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 12:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah i've read M + M, and i don't really get what you mean. For example, I didn't need M+M to like Pelevin. Are you saying that it's necessary in order to grasp the intricacies of the humour and the general absurdity or dýa mean something else?

, Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:07 (twenty-one years ago)

It is the most important precursor to Pelevin. It's quite a departure for russian literature and it was banned fore many years. Pelevin's generation are the first generation of russian authors to be influenced by M&M. Magic Realism has never really been part of ruwssian literature M&M started it and pelevin et al. continued it. Although Pelevin draws more on folk myths of russia, both ancient and modern, whereas bulgakov draws more on the social literature that Russia is rightly famous for. The satire in Pelevin is very similar but a good deal more subtle. I got more from pelevin, reading for a second time, after having read M&M in the meantime.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:17 (twenty-one years ago)

What about Bulgy's (apologies) other work? Is "Heart of the Dog", for example, more conventional/tedious etc.?

, Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:24 (twenty-one years ago)

M&M is Bugakov's only significant work, he nearly got carted off to the gulags for it, he was only saved by Stalin who admired the stage version of his book the white guards; a much more conventional russian novel and his next best book, although nowhere near in the same league as M&M.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:29 (twenty-one years ago)

"M&M is Bugakov's only significant work"

?!!!! this is a bit contentious ed. ie not true really.

ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:32 (twenty-one years ago)

are you moved into the house and everything, no problems?

gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I read "A Werewolf Problem in Central Russia" and thought it was poor fare, I must say. Kurkov I like much better; but it's Yerofeev I love. A sort of Russian Bukowski.

Baravelli. (Jake Proudlock), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:37 (twenty-one years ago)

russian literature post-1991: search & destroy

(haha I was gonna quote something on this thread until I realised I'd quoted it at the end of this one!)

etc, Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:41 (twenty-one years ago)

"M&M is Bugakov's only significant work"
'?!!!! this is a bit contentious ed. ie not true really.'

I think it's true in terms of it's influence on later work. Withgout M&M Bulgakov would be a minor russian writer liked by Stalin, which would have been the kiss of death for him in terms of posterity. The only reason that any of his canon is known at all is because of the M&M.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Has anyone ready any Vladimir Sorokin? I keep hearing amazing things, but they're usually spoken in the same breath as "he's untranslatable." I think in his case it may be more than the typical "you have to read foreign fiction in the original" line, since as far as I know, no one's attempted to translate Goluboe Salo.

the krza (krza), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:48 (twenty-one years ago)

fucking varying languages!

, Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:51 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
theres a new one! its about...chat rooms?

terry lennox. (gareth), Thursday, 9 March 2006 10:03 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...
It is fantastic. A retelling of the Cretan Labarynth myth told trough the posting posting of people to a chat room, they are all stuck in the Labarynth, alone but can communicate through terminals in their various rooms in the labarynth.

The Helmet of Horror, its called, part of a series of myth reworkings, I've also got the MArget Atwood one, a retelling of Penelope's story from the Odessy.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 27 April 2006 10:35 (nineteen years ago)

one year passes...

I am late to the game - just started Homo Zapiens, which is crackin me up. how did I miss this guy

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 15:43 (eighteen years ago)

Going way back upthread: a good starting point for Pelevin might be the little 4 by Pelevin edition from New Directions -- four middle-length pieces, which I think are "Hermit and Sixtoes," the "Shed Number 12" one, "Vera [can't-remember's] Ninth Dream," and ... something else.

I can imagine the Bulgakov influence, sure, but I don't think the experience of reading is quite the same -- Bulgakov takes the period's naturalist arrangements and makes them hallucinatory, whereas Pelevin stories start from a point of being radically dislocated, the narrators always in closed systems that the reader can never get a full view of it, and which we have to gradually piece together until we're all like "OH, I get it, this is from the point of view of a PENCIL!"

nabisco, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 16:45 (eighteen years ago)

four years pass...

must read

S.N.U.F.F. is a science fiction novel by Russian writer Viktor Pelevin published in 2011. The plot's setting is a post-apocalyptic world where the majority of people live either in a poor, technologically backwards Urkaine with about 300 million Slavic speaking inhabitants with a capital city "Slava" or in a technologically advanced English-speaking artificial flying city "Big Byz" (or "Byzantium") which is locked in the sky above Urkaine and has a population of about 30 million.

The book invents a set of neologisms (using English even in Russian edition) such as discourse monger - a provoker paid by Big Byz media and military who under disguise of defending human rights against Urkainian dictatorship (in fact covertly controlled by Big Byz), provokes a conflict, which usually leads to regularly repeated "wars" - organized slaughter and bombing campaigns by Big Byz's fused military and media against virtually weaponless Urkaine's people. Such "wars", thoroughly filmed and used for entertainment, are organized nearly every year. The perpetrators from the Big Byz side being porn stars wearing suits of Batman or Ninja Turtles rather than soldiers, and protected by flying drones from any damage. The resulting footage being called "S.N.U.F.F.", an acronym from "Special Newsreel/Universal Feature Film" and sold both in Big Byz and in Urkaine.

The story is narrated from the person of a pilot of a remotely controlled drone which is equipped by both a camera and multiple weapons including guns and bombs. He works for both military and media and his usual work in peacetime is to broadcast poverty, brutality and chaos of Urkaine to confirm the barbaric and totalitarian nature of this people, called "Orcs" in the slang of Big Byz, and their authorities. In other cases he protects discourse mongers by the guns of his drone so that they could denigrate and provoke Urkainian officials safely.

Another invented term is smart free speech, a term used to denote smart following (or even predicting) of the current political trend by the Big Byz media employees so to earn good money and avoid being ostracized.

The people of Big Byz are not living in paradise either. It turns out that a popular custom among Big Biz elite and pilots is to use robotic women as sexual partners because sex and pornography with persons under 46 is prohibited due to age of consent, and according the narrative it is planned to increase it up to 48 due to a lobby of aging porn stars and feminists. The naturally-decreasing population of Big Byz is usually replenished with immigrants from Urkaine and by child-buyers who go to poor Urkainian villages to buy babies.

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 16:23 (thirteen years ago)


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