The Rumsfeld Hearing

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It's about to start. I would love to see this lizard flayed.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 7 May 2004 14:45 (twenty-one years ago)

He won't resign or get sacked. It would set a dangerous president. precedent sorry.

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 7 May 2004 14:49 (twenty-one years ago)

For 'dangerous' read 'entertaining,' I trust.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 May 2004 14:49 (twenty-one years ago)

More like "hilarious"/

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Friday, 7 May 2004 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)

there's nothing entertaining about presidents, oh wait i forgot Clinton. and Taft.

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 7 May 2004 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)

can a secretary of defense be impeached?

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 7 May 2004 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)

And Kennedy. There's something sidesplitting about an icon that couldn't spell abstinence.

(xpost)

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Friday, 7 May 2004 14:52 (twenty-one years ago)

can a secretary of defense be impeached?

yep.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 7 May 2004 14:54 (twenty-one years ago)

he can also waste our time by prattling on about the difference about abuse and torture until our heads explode.

― dyson (dyson), Friday, 7 May 2004 14:54 (twenty-one years ago)

this thing is going to turn into the olympics of semantics.

― dyson (dyson), Friday, 7 May 2004 14:57 (twenty-one years ago)

see, this administration isn't so different from Clinton's after all!

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 7 May 2004 14:58 (twenty-one years ago)

so what would it take for rummie to get kicked out of office if he refuses to resign and bush refuses to boot him? what would the process be? is this at all likely?

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 7 May 2004 14:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Very UNlikely.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 May 2004 15:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Is Rumsfeld going to say this was a case of an unknown known? (Or is it a known unknown?)

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 7 May 2004 15:02 (twenty-one years ago)

It would take a vote to impeach in the House and a trial in the Senate. The more likely scenario is that the Republicans in Congress may pressure the Administration to avoid a popular backlash against the party.

― Michael White (Hereward), Friday, 7 May 2004 15:04 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah well "this administration doesn't pay attention to polls."

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 7 May 2004 15:06 (twenty-one years ago)

it's going off....vocal protestors

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 7 May 2004 15:06 (twenty-one years ago)

hmm. one would think that yelling at a hearing wouldn't be the best way to get your message across.

― Kingfish Disraeli (Kingfish), Friday, 7 May 2004 15:07 (twenty-one years ago)

hstencil

They might listen to their own party if there's enough anger/fear.

― Michael White (Hereward), Friday, 7 May 2004 15:08 (twenty-one years ago)

time honoured tradition, isn't it? i thought it was fair enough

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 7 May 2004 15:08 (twenty-one years ago)

the yelling protestors, i mean

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 7 May 2004 15:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I know, I was just kidding/riffing on Bushco's "we're so different from Clinton" nonsense.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 7 May 2004 15:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha, it's great to see that dickhead finally looking like the wind's been taken out of his sails. Not so cocky now, huh, asshole?

― morris pavilion (samjeff), Friday, 7 May 2004 15:10 (twenty-one years ago)

he should pound on his table whenever he says "terrorists", jsut to let folks know he's Being Really Serious.

xpost damn cocky assholes.

― Kingfish Disraeli (Kingfish), Friday, 7 May 2004 15:11 (twenty-one years ago)

ha ha he just said that we know those darn terrorists are going to twist this incident to their own ends! the nerve!

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 7 May 2004 15:11 (twenty-one years ago)

hmm. one would think that yelling at a hearing wouldn't be the best way to get your message across.

Perhaps not. But a politician smackdown would make those everlasting hearings bearable.

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Friday, 7 May 2004 15:11 (twenty-one years ago)

goddammit I wish I could watch or listen to this.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 7 May 2004 15:12 (twenty-one years ago)

me too! where is everbody watching it? anywhere good online (that doesn't require realplayer?)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 7 May 2004 15:13 (twenty-one years ago)

webstream available at different sites.

here's a pic from CNN:

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2004/ALLPOLITICS/05/07/politics.abuse.main/top.rumsfeld.1.pool.jpg
"Awww FUCK today is gunna suck."

― Kingfish Disraeli (Kingfish), Friday, 7 May 2004 15:13 (twenty-one years ago)

which sites?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 7 May 2004 15:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Just found WNYC's stream. Look on the left.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 7 May 2004 15:15 (twenty-one years ago)

thx stence!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 7 May 2004 15:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I love how Smith is saying that this needs to be treated like a criminal investigation. I agree but it's precisely what they didn't grant to the people at Abu Ghraib and at Guantanamo.

― Michael White (Hereward), Friday, 7 May 2004 15:21 (twenty-one years ago)

"Freedom and democracy"... "freedom and democracy"... "freedom and democracy"...

― morris pavilion (samjeff), Friday, 7 May 2004 15:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Ted Kennedy's laying it out!

― morris pavilion (samjeff), Friday, 7 May 2004 15:48 (twenty-one years ago)

haha, kingfish disraeli was funny.

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 7 May 2004 15:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I note he's mentioned there's video footage of the abuse...which he HAS to say because otherwise when the videos surfaced there'd be even more questions. This amuses me.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 May 2004 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)

It's good that Kennedy and Byrd are talking about abuse at other military prisons for "enemy combatants" - not just Abu Ghraib.

― morris pavilion (samjeff), Friday, 7 May 2004 16:07 (twenty-one years ago)

He'll pull a Vietnam thang where the Americans end up as the true victims of this

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 7 May 2004 16:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I heard on cnn that he had a blowup of some tiny article from january to prove that nothing was said about the investigation. the article doesnt mention abu ghraib, and it doesnt mention specifics. i also heard hes gonna hang boykin out to dry.

SURELY NOTHING IS MY FAULT. and was his 'apology' to the actual iraqis themselves or was it just to congress? that headline about bush apologizing was so sketchy. 'i apologized to the king of jordan because he was in my living room but not the entire arab world when i was on tv yesterday'

― bill stevens (bscrubbins), Friday, 7 May 2004 16:13 (twenty-one years ago)

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40126000/jpg/_40126983_rumsfeld203ap.jpg

"Ach, WHO KNEW?"

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 May 2004 17:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm watching excerpts of this on TV and am confused about something...did I hear him say that he's appointing former appointees to examine the effectiveness of the current investigation appointees? what?

― sgs (sgs), Friday, 7 May 2004 17:07 (twenty-one years ago)

You say appointing, I say appeasing, let's call the whole thing off...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 May 2004 17:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, it's not like I should even expect what he says to make sense. Unknown unknowns and all that.

― sgs (sgs), Friday, 7 May 2004 17:11 (twenty-one years ago)

that whole "unknown unknowns" thing makes me think Rummy took an EST course in the 70s or something.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 7 May 2004 17:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Just asked the second question about resignation, something to the effect of "would your stepping down serve to appease some of the damage that his been done?"

Rumsfeld's curt reply: "That's possible."

― Broheems (diamond), Friday, 7 May 2004 17:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Rummy trying to pull "Scanners" on the interviewer:

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 7 May 2004 17:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I mentioned it on the ILE board, but Lieberman's comments struck me as dunderheaded.

― uh (eetface), Friday, 7 May 2004 17:18 (twenty-one years ago)

we got the memo.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 7 May 2004 17:18 (twenty-one years ago)

oops. I didn't realize I was STILL ON the ILE board. goddammit.

― uh (eetface), Friday, 7 May 2004 17:19 (twenty-one years ago)

some of the other stuff that struck me as funny was them calling such methods of torture "un-American". I'm not one of those kneejerks, but over the years, with things like the My Lai massacre and the accounts of what happened in the real events that inspired Black Hawk Down, and many other accounts, perhaps one conclude that it's very "american".

― uh (eetface), Friday, 7 May 2004 17:20 (twenty-one years ago)

code pink strikes again:

Capitol Hill-AP -- An apology from Donald Rumsfeld wasn't enough for some protesters.

The defense secretary was giving his opening statement to a Senate panel today when he was interrupted by a group of hecklers. Rumsfeld was apologizing for the alleged mistreatment of Iraqi detainees by U-S troops.

A group of about a half-dozen protesters stood up and chanted "Fire Rumsfeld." One woman wearing a pink shirt with those words shouted to lawmakers to investigate "other abuses in Iraq." The protesters also held up a pink cloth banner reading "Fire Rumsfeld."

Police escorted the group from the room. Rumsfeld showed no reaction as they yelled, and he later continued on with his statement.

― bill stevens (bscrubbins), Friday, 7 May 2004 17:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Wire fans, are they?

― dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 7 May 2004 17:28 (twenty-one years ago)

HAHA!

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Friday, 7 May 2004 17:29 (twenty-one years ago)

either that or they bathe in Pepto bismol

― uh (eetface), Friday, 7 May 2004 17:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Killa Cam strikes again

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Friday, 7 May 2004 17:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I heard my old representative Duncan Hunter talking about this and that briefly at lunch as the House hearing started.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 May 2004 18:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Oddest namedrop evah?

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 7 May 2004 19:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Yay odd!

Duncan always seemed like a crusty bastard, but he was our crusty bastard, like the notably insane Gerry Solomon up in Saratoga Springs.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 May 2004 19:22 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.tapefuzz.com/arson/djrumsfeld.jpg

― King Kobra (King Kobra), Saturday, 8 May 2004 00:51 (twenty-one years ago)

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