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I don't know why this pisses me off, but it does.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 7 May 2004 19:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I dunno, that's shitty of him, but if I was them, I'd be glad not to be associated with that buffoon.

He's probably afraid that somebody's going to nab him at the ceremony and force him to sit in a dunk tank for 5 hours while half the nation steps back and throws.

uh (eetface), Friday, 7 May 2004 19:39 (twenty-two years ago)

He probably wants to avoid having to pronounce "commencement."

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Friday, 7 May 2004 19:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I wouldn't have minded not going to my commencement at all much less my folx, since I was still in the throes of writing my thesis. The whole ceremony is for parents who are footing the bill, after all.

Leeefuse 73 (Leee), Friday, 7 May 2004 19:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Can the dunk tank be filled with acid? And can we throw sharp, pointy things?

luna (luna.c), Friday, 7 May 2004 19:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I just find it incredibly shitty that he's all "sorry kids, but the feelings/convenience of everyone else who's graduating from your schools are more important to me than you are". I would probably have never spoken to my parents again if they hadn't come to my graduation.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 7 May 2004 19:42 (twenty-two years ago)

My parents have always been the most supportive of me in all I did, so I'd probably feel the same way. Since I was the first in my family to graduate with a college degree, it meant something special to the family, so they'd have fought live bears just to get there if they had to.

uh (eetface), Friday, 7 May 2004 19:44 (twenty-two years ago)

GWB: "I have two daughters?"

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Friday, 7 May 2004 19:45 (twenty-two years ago)

This thread title reminds me of when my dad was driving me to college for the first time and he told me that the one thing he regretted about his time in college was that he only dated one girl most of the time he was there, and essentially said that I should try and "go out" with lots of different girls. So I rebelled by dating the same girl for most of college. OK, back to the Bush-bashing.

NA (Nick A.), Friday, 7 May 2004 19:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Doesn't/wouldn't bother me at all. Love my parents, no big problems, etc. etc. etc. - but I don't really care if they come to long, pointless ceremonies involving/honoring me.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 7 May 2004 19:48 (twenty-two years ago)

(Contrary to the implication in the last sentence of my previous post, coming to my graduation didn't heal some gigantic rift between my parents and me; I'm just saying that that type of snub for those reasons would have seriously put them in the doghouse as far as I'm concerned.)

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 7 May 2004 19:48 (twenty-two years ago)

a few Bush jabs I made years ago on stripcreator:

http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/SlayerRob/6262
http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/SlayerRob/5845

uh (eetface), Friday, 7 May 2004 19:52 (twenty-two years ago)

well, I got more out of my college graduation because high school is something you have to do...it's basically a celebration of not fucking up, but college is something you choose to do, you get to do, and the ceremony, at least mine, was about an hour and a half shorter :)

uh (eetface), Friday, 7 May 2004 19:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Doesn't/wouldn't bother me at all. Love my parents, no big problems, etc. etc. etc. - but I don't really care if they come to long, pointless ceremonies involving/honoring me.

I agree. It's not really a big deal to me.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Friday, 7 May 2004 19:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I didn't even go to my own graduation. But that's cos my university treated me like shit.

Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Friday, 7 May 2004 19:56 (twenty-two years ago)

well, my uni sucked balls. Graduating there almost felt like a feat, due to it being endowed "U Can't Finish".

uh (eetface), Friday, 7 May 2004 19:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Univ. of Central Florida?

Leeefuse 73 (Leee), Friday, 7 May 2004 20:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Yup.

uh (eetface), Friday, 7 May 2004 20:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Did you hang out with Daunte Culpepper?

Broheems (diamond), Friday, 7 May 2004 20:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Nick must've gone to my uni. I did the same thing.

Barima (Barima), Friday, 7 May 2004 20:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe the girls asked him not to come. Or the schools.

Skottie, Friday, 7 May 2004 20:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Daunte left two years before I got there...I spent one year at FSU doing a music major before I transferred/changed majors.

I feel sorry for anybody just starting college now. the tuition rates have gone up 28 dollars a credit hour since I started.

uh (eetface), Friday, 7 May 2004 20:07 (twenty-two years ago)

"Dad, don't come to graduation. I'm gonna be so fucked up, I won't even know you're there."

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 7 May 2004 20:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Seeing as how Reagan ignored most of the accomplishments of his children (refused to see his son do ballet until the press gave him shit for it, didn't even recognize his adopted on son at the boy's graduation), this is probably a wiser political move than showing awkward Nixonian affection for his children.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 7 May 2004 20:46 (twenty-two years ago)

if Bush would only listen to the last track on the new Ghostface it would heal his cold heart I tell you

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 7 May 2004 21:02 (twenty-two years ago)

two months pass...
REVIVE!

Revivalist (Revivalist), Monday, 19 July 2004 11:11 (twenty-one years ago)

if someone revives a thread, and no one posts to it, is it really a revival?

Nick Apollo Forte (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 19 July 2004 11:12 (twenty-one years ago)

(moot)

j e r e m y (x Jeremy), Monday, 19 July 2004 11:12 (twenty-one years ago)

No doubt he didn't go because he would have gotten BOOED.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 19 July 2004 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)

On Saturday, my dad told me that if I lost twenty pounds, I'd be "pretty foxy." I told him to go to hell.

Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Monday, 19 July 2004 15:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Mandee, you are a treat!

I CAN LEAD YOU THROUGH THE ZONE (ex machina), Monday, 19 July 2004 15:24 (twenty-one years ago)

the relationship between the two of you kinda reminds me of aja & dante.

dyson (dyson), Monday, 19 July 2004 15:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Who's Dante again? Is that the seal in that one movie? Okay I was thinking of "Andre" nevermind.

Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Monday, 19 July 2004 15:38 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.bucklake.leon.k12.fl.us/Hoffman/SEAWORLD/seal4.jpeg

Here I am dreaming of Mandee!

I CAN LEAD YOU THROUGH THE ZONE (ex machina), Monday, 19 July 2004 15:42 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.ninepatch.com/2ad.jpg

Here's Gygax!, Mandee and some friends.

I CAN LEAD YOU THROUGH THE ZONE (ex machina), Monday, 19 July 2004 15:43 (twenty-one years ago)

http://leatherking.com/ItemImages/GFS717.jpg

I CAN LEAD YOU THROUGH THE ZONE (ex machina), Monday, 19 July 2004 15:43 (twenty-one years ago)

.

alan r. banana (alanbanana), Monday, 19 July 2004 15:45 (twenty-one years ago)

JW, did you mean to post pictures of nothing just up there? And OMG that seal is cute. Why can't I look like a seal instead of a manatee.

Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Monday, 19 July 2004 15:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Mandee, any blanks are probably due to people preventing off site linking :(

I CAN LEAD YOU THROUGH THE ZONE (ex machina), Monday, 19 July 2004 15:49 (twenty-one years ago)

http://solidsharkey.com/pm2marry1.gif

alan r. banana (alanbanana), Monday, 19 July 2004 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)

maybe it's your diet___¿

xpost

dyson (dyson), Monday, 19 July 2004 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)

What up alan, what game is that?

spyro, Monday, 19 July 2004 15:59 (twenty-one years ago)

On Saturday, my dad told me that if I lost twenty pounds, I'd be "pretty foxy." I told him to go to hell.

You must have a good relationship with your dad. If my mom would ever call me "foxy" (or even potentially foxy), I'd run off, scared as hell.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 19 July 2004 16:27 (twenty-one years ago)

My dad is concerned about my hottitude.

Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Monday, 19 July 2004 17:00 (twenty-one years ago)

So he might get a suitable son-in-law? :)

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 19 July 2004 17:12 (twenty-one years ago)

did his daughter scrape by with C's at yale too?

amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 19 July 2004 17:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Back when I was a teenager and had a long hair, every morning at breakfast my dad used to say: "Cut your hair!". When I did actually cut it, his first comment was: "It was better when it was long.". He also used to call me "a fucking monkey" and "a man-snot hanging on a barb wire fence". But he said it in a loving way.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 19 July 2004 17:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, I think that my dad is concerned that all of my sisters and I will end up ugly singletons.

I also told daddums that I wanted to quit my job. He responded: "B-b-but.. then you'd be a LOSER!"

Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Monday, 19 July 2004 17:24 (twenty-one years ago)

He sure sounds charming, kinda like my dad when he was younger. But my dad's actually mellowed out considerably during recent years. He didn't even say nothing when I pierced my ears and grew a beard.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 19 July 2004 17:29 (twenty-one years ago)

did his daughter scrape by with C's at yale too?

Amateurist is going to be so annoyed that I have some proper insider stuff from my own personal Wonkette. Her husband is currently doing Yale law and she is friends and neighbours with Barbara Bush's Spanish prof, who said the girl never went to class and did not get passing grades. When the prof issued her with an F, she was told that this was not allowed.

I think a C would be giving her way too much credit if reports are to be believed.

suzy (suzy), Monday, 19 July 2004 17:42 (twenty-one years ago)

runs in the family (from the Harvard Crimson):

Retired professor recalls Bush as a sarcastic and mediocre student
HBS Prof Blasts Bush -- Business scholar says president was 'shallow,' 'flippant' in 1970s class
By Simon W. Vozick-Levinson, Harvard Crimson

As the race for the White House heats up and the nation's left-leaning heads come together to unearth potential skeletons in President Bush's closet, one line in his resume has avoided major scrutiny: the time Bush spent just across the Charles River, earning an MBA at the Harvard Business School (HBS) in the 1970s. Now, as some fervently question the commander-in-chief's performance in the Texas National Guard decades ago and more current-minded politicos take aim at the events surrounding Sept. 11, 2001 and the invasion of Iraq, one former HBS professor is doing his best to publicize his recollections of what he calls a sarcastic, mediocre student who went on to lead the United States.

Yoshihiro Tsurumi, an avowed opponent of Bush's current views and policies who was a visiting associate professor of international business at HBS between 1972 and 1976, said Bush was among 85 students he taught one year in a required first-year course. In the class on "Environment Analysis for Management," incorporating elements of macroeconomics, industrial policy and international business, Tsurumi said students discussed and debated case studies for 90 minutes several times a week.

Tsurumi--now a professor of international business at Baruch College in the City University of New York--said he remembers the future president as scoring in the bottom 10 percent of students in the class.

Thirty years after teaching the class, Tsurumi said the twenty-something Bush's statements and behavior--"always very shallow"--still stand out in his mind.

"Whenever [Bush] just bumped into me, he had some flippant statement to make," said Tsurumi when reached at his home in Scarsdale, N.Y. "The comments he made were revealing of his prejudice."

The White House did not reply to requests for comment on Bush's time at HBS.

Tsurumi said he particularly recalls Bush's right-wing extremism at the time, which he said was reflected in off-hand comments equating the New Deal of the 1930s with socialism and the corporation-regulating Securities and Exchange Commission with "an enemy of capitalism."

"I vividly remember that he made a comment saying that people are poor because they're lazy," Tsurumi said.

Tsurumi also said Bush displayed a sense of arrogance about his prominent family, including his father, former U.S. President George H.W. Bush.

"[George W. Bush] didn't stand out as the most promising student, but...he made it sure we understood how well he was connected," Tsurumi said. "He wasn't bashful about how he was being pushed upward by Dad's connections."

Tsurumi said that the younger Bush boasted that his father's political string-pulling had gotten him to the top of the waiting list for the Texas National Guard instead of serving in Vietnam. When other students were frantically scrambling for summer jobs, Tsurumi said, Bush explained that he was planning instead for a visit to his father in Beijing, where the senior Bush was serving at the time as the special U.S. envoy to China.

In addition, Tsurumi is still sore about what he recalls as Bush's slight to his cinematic taste. When he arranged for students to view the film of John Steinbeck's The Grapes of Wrath during their study of the Great Depression, Tsurumi said, Bush derided the film as "corny."

At the time, Tsurumi said his worries about his student extended no further than the boardroom.

"All Harvard Business School students want to become president of a company one day," Tsurumi said. "I remember saying, if you become president of a company some day, may God help your customers and employees."

When he discovered that his former pupil was vying for the presidency in 2000, Tsurumi said he tried to inform the public about his experience with the then-Texas governor at HBS--but got few results beyond hate mail.

"Last election time, if you recall, the American mass media did a shameful job of vetting [the presidential candidates]," Tsurumi said.

As another November approaches, Tsurumi is trying again to air his criticisms of the man he once taught and his actions as president.

"This time it seems to be getting around a bit more widely," he said. "After three years of dismal record, people seem more inclined to believe that all his failed leadership was apparent during the Harvard Business School years."

In a July 2 speech to the Foreign Correspondents Club of Japan in Tokyo, Tsurumi repeated the broadside he has launched repeatedly in the past.

"I always remember two groups of students," Tsurumi said then, according to published reports. "One is the really good students, not only intelligent, but with leadership qualities, courage. The other is the total opposite, unfortunately to which George belonged."

Staff writer Simon W. Vozick-Levinson can be reached at vozick@fas.harvard.edu.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 19 July 2004 17:54 (twenty-one years ago)

"the grapes of wrath" is kinda corny (also kinda good).

suzy, i'll accept your hearsay on a tentative basis only.

amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 19 July 2004 18:13 (twenty-one years ago)

actually i screened that film for a bunch of student in a "literature of the 1930s" class i was TAing, and they had the same response: they thought it was corny. so i don't know that that says much about bush aside from him not having a terribly sensitive appreciation of art. that should come as little surprise.

amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 19 July 2004 18:14 (twenty-one years ago)

that's not as problematic as this:

Tsurumi said he particularly recalls Bush's right-wing extremism at the time, which he said was reflected in off-hand comments equating the New Deal of the 1930s with socialism and the corporation-regulating Securities and Exchange Commission with "an enemy of capitalism."

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 19 July 2004 18:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I wonder if that prof wanted to fail him but couldn't swing it either.

Girl who told me about BB is best friend from high school, taking motherhood sabbatical from DC power structures. Very reliable considering the prof told her direct.

suzy (suzy), Monday, 19 July 2004 18:17 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, but you could've guessed that too. undoing the new deal social programs has been high on the conservative agenda since goldwater.

amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 19 July 2004 18:18 (twenty-one years ago)

XPOST

amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 19 July 2004 18:18 (twenty-one years ago)

undoing the new deal social programs has been high on the conservative agenda since goldwater.

since Hoover got beat, really.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 19 July 2004 18:20 (twenty-one years ago)

altho to be fair I guess Ike didn't try to dismantle the New Deal.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 19 July 2004 18:21 (twenty-one years ago)

well, yeah, but the eisenhower republicans were pretty much in the social-programs-consensus fold. there was a definite break at some point, followed by a revival of laissez-faire economic thinking.

amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 19 July 2004 18:22 (twenty-one years ago)

CRAZEE ASS XPOST

amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 19 July 2004 18:22 (twenty-one years ago)


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