meta question: is il* getting nastier?

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seems to me that we're kvetching a lot more lately - as a unit - about things that were previously either a source of fun or at least which passed without comment (ile slang, the statscock, etc.) are inciting a lot of...ire? not that i haven't incited my own recently...but seriously, whats up?

jess, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i r demanding new answers!

(::hides behind something sturdy::)

jess, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm not going to feel guilty for getting annoyed about something genuinely but I guess I put the ire back in Ireland today.

Ronan, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Bad mood jelly. Someone needs to get a roll of Bounty and some Windex.

Brian MacDonald, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

It's a useful corrective sometimes. Nothing's got particularly personal (aside from the Blunkett thread maybe) so it's not worrying me.

Tom, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

One should never keep bad mood jelly and KY jelly in the same nightstand.

Dan Perry, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Easy question to answer - they're things that have always been annoying that people are suddenly asking about, so everyone's bitching about them.

Ally, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

a bit cantankerous, i wanted to talk about brassicas.

I think people want different things from this little community. There's always going to be a little bit of personailty clash, we span a large chunk of the english speaking western world (and others). I think people have got to rember that we are all, well, people at the other end of the line and be a bit respectful.

Ed, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Maybe core people have crossed a line of familiarity, which means they relax into being nasty, instead of uptight wit. Maybe it's cos of the *war*.

chris, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I feel like I've crossed a line of familiarity. I also agree with what Ally said. The things I've been arguing about today (some debates less heated than others) have been irritating me for a while. In fact everything thats ever annoyed me about ILE is kind of coming out a bit. Don't get me wrong I like it, but obviously disagreements occur.

Ronan, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

It's been a strange month. Full moon and Halloween tonite.

james, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Calm down a bit people, please.

DG, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

You know, I know it's just a coincidence, but EVERY TIME I get back onto IL* after a long period of absence for whatever reason, someone starts a "metaquestion: are we getting nastier" thread. It's enough to make a girl paranoid. I've fucking NOT BEEN HERE!!! So don't blame me! Humph!

kate, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Don't worry Kate, I think FatNick may have something to do with this...

DG, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

katie, maybe its because you're *not* here. :)

jess, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

YOu know what I hate? Being told to calm down. It's always comments like that that rerepress people and end up in big blow out arguments in the end. Can't people just have their say, whether it's nasty or not, and then move on without an artificial "Calm down" or a warning, as long as it doesn't get slanderous or viciously off topic or something?

Ally, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Gotta agree with that; being told to calm down really riles me up.

Sean, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I've kicked people for telling me to calm down.

Ally, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

So what do you say when people blow up at you over NOTHING? Such as five minutes ago: "Why did you mention that inviting people over was my idea? Do you think it's a BAD idea? Excuse me for trying to be nice! God, no one ever appreciates me! I'm feeling so beaten up today!" (I said it was your idea because it wasn't mine. If I didn't like it I would have SAID "I don't want to invite anyone." CALM DOWN, damnit!)

Maria, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

You tell them to go fuck right off, basically.

Ally, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh. Right.

Maria, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I just think that telling people to calm down 9 times out of 10 makes the situation worse because THEY don't think they are being unreasonable.

Ally, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

there's a diff between when they're shouting at YOU and you say "calm down" (= petrol to the flames, prob), and when you're with your best friend and she's losing her temper with a traffic cop and is abt to punch him in the nuts. In the latter case, a whispered "cool it" — ie from a trusted, non-thrreatening source — may be a boon.

mark s, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Well that's a little bit different I reckon.

Ally, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"Ethan: CALM DOWN COWBOY. I already discussed this with you via email but since you feel the need to go off the handle yet again: you take everything A) far too seriously B) even more seriously once people tell you NOT to take it seriously. Or, to put it in your language, "some people are too fucking stupid to figure out things like fucking sarcasm and/or trolling versus serious posts and need to chill the fuck out". Okay? Good. NOTE TO ETHAN: THIS IS HALF JOKING. CALM THE FUCK DOWN."

ethan, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

yes but ethan, "calm the FUCK down" and "calm down cowboy" have important other words in them, designed to take the sting out of the risky c-word.

In all my life, no one has ever called me cowboy :(

mark s, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Mark S.; cowboy in a hoop skirt.

Dan Perry, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't seem to be able to say anything without pissing Ally off.

DG, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i was bjorn an asshole

Geoff, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

It's always been nasty, hasn't it? It seemed that way to me, anyway.

Nicole, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't think it's getting particularly nastier, I think yesterday was just a case of grouchiness on the part of a few posters (myself included) and a build up of annoying factors which caused a blow-out of aggression. Hopefully we won't be going back there and things (hopefully) seem to have calmed down and got a little more back to the normal of discussing various topics, nonsense and serious, with thought and wit.

chris, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i think i've missed the threads with nastyness on

gareth, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Calm down, it's all a dream... oh, I love Black Nielson so very very much. They are wonderful. I don't mind being told to calm down when it's lovely, lovely, Crushboy Mike telling me to do it. OK, I'm calm, just let me stand here and adore you. (Mind you, anyone else who tells me to calm down usually gets punched for their efforts...)

kate, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh now *there's* a scenario I know; I'm now watching St. Kate in this like-Peanuts-with-booze-and-bombs cartoon parody in my brain, she's going "WAAAAAUGGGGH!" when the Urgers of Calm appear.

I am mindlessly drooling through fatigue and cramp pain as opposed to crushes although MY GOD THE TALENT at the party last night, oy vey. I think last night is going to FIND ME in an hour or so!

suzy, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Ethan, you are a psychologically unbalanced human being and you creep me out intensely. I am saying this in all seriousness. You are weird, scary, sexist and creepy as fuck and quite frankly are probably dangerous to society, or would be if you weren't online all the bloody time. I mean, every time I say ANYTHING you pull up some old post of mine (and mark is right, the "FUCK" is the important part of it cos obviously when you tell someone to shut the fuck up or calm the fuck down you aren't really trying to do anything but tell them off, which is another important distinction between what DG said that I poked at him for and other usages, and besides it doesn't really contradict my point which was NOT that "I never say calm down" but rather "Saying calm down doesn't help at all") and claim it "proves" I'm wrong. Quite honestly, having such a big huge insistance and obsession with this makes you seem QUITE SCARY AND UNBALANCED to me, and if a couple of other people around here had some balls, they'd say it publically too. But instead, me, the girl, has to have the balls and say this. Typical.

I know this sounds semi-jokey, but I'm actually serious. Does no one else besides my close personal friends notice Ethan's weird psuedo- thing for me? I mean, he seems to memorize my posts and repost them at least once a month, apropos of virtually nothing, and seems to devote far too much time to thinking about me. It's really goddamned creepy and if there was some way on Lusenet that I could just block out his posts, I'd do it because he really, really, really bothers me.

Was that nasty enough for all of you?

Yet another thread I will now refuse to read because of the presence of Ethan, c'est la vie.

Ally, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Ally, if you'd written something like that to me there is a fair chance that I would remember it for quite a long while. Perhaps you ALWAYS talk like that and your "close personal friends" are used to it but for me that was pretty agressive. Ok sometimes Ethan has said some odd things but so has everyone on this beeotch, you included, myself included!

The original question was has our tone changed and wondering why, not "here is a thread to vent". I think that was a bit too much.

Sarah, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Can we assume that ILE is getting nastier, then?

In answer to Ally's question - Ethan can be a hugely irritating person to argue with. But I have never even considered the possibility he might have a "thing" for anyone on the boards. And I don't think he comes across as much of a mentalist either, pretty average by Internet standards.

Tom, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Ethan's nasty to me too.

Nicole is right: it's always been nasty. And it's often been rubbish, too.

the pinefox, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i have now seen some of the threads with the nastyness on. i don't really know what a lot of it is about, i wonder does a lot of ilx stuff go on behind the scenes, on like e-mail or something? i seemed to have avoided any nastyness aimed at me personally. so far at least anyway.

gareth, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Not that much stuff happens on e-mail, slightly more happens in people's personal lives, and sometimes it all spills over onto the boards. I mean I'm in fairly constant e-mail contact with a handful of regulars but other than saying "oh look at this thread" if something interesting happens the boards don't come up much.

Tom, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

See comments on paranoid narcissism elsewhere on the board. I barely notice Ethan in tempest in teapot mode. The few times I've been flamed on this board, I just fired off a bon mot and let someone else jump to my defense down the line instead of picking at virtual scabs. People have a knack for remembering what others have written about them. Especially if it's not nice.

suzy, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

paranoid narcissism = a good chunk of il* posts/posters.

(not to exempt myself from it. no sir. i'm still wary of posting after this weekend's little debacle.)

jess, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

tiresomely enough i heart pinefox AND ally AND ethan, even tho they all hate one another (and the young feller pinefox I suspect also hates me):

you are smart and strong = you will piss ppl off, hullo
you are inconsistent = you contain multitudes = you are alive, pfff

for "you" read me, if it helps, cowboys

mark s, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

It seems to me that a handful of people are strangely tolerant of some hurtful things that get said here and rather incongrously defensive and offended when other posters do or say nearly the same thing. It's all to do with personal friendships, I'm afraid. Which makes me glad to be rather friendless here.

Anyway, the point to this is that it really would be nice if everyone round here could treat each other with consideration and not pay attention to the name of the poster.

Nicole, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I think as long as the moderators aren't being overtly hypocritical then the personal friendship thing isn't an issue really, it's just part of discourse. And if people ever do think the moderators are being hypocritical at all then for goodness sakes say so because we're probably doing it unconsciously.

(And I think 'friendless' is overstating things - you might not know many ppl here in real life Nicole but as the quite justified reactions when Robin attacked you showed you've got a lot of well- wishers on the board. And rightly so.)

Tom, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I meant friend in the sense of people I personally know or am in regular contact with, just to clarify. I didn't mean it in a self pitying "nobody wuvs me!" type way.

Nicole, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Phew!

Tom, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

To make the moderators' lives *even* harder, we all respond differently to the SAME thing when said by difft ppl. EG [x] cd call me a fuckwad and I chuckle, [y] does it and I explode.

(nor is this hypocrisy: if [m] and [n] both said "you are adorable take me take me", it's perfectly acceptable to respond in different ways)

mark s, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

mark you fuckwad, take me now!

jess, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i think part of what's fuels mistrust (or 'paranoia' if you want to call it that) though, is the fact that some people on ILE know each other IRL, but some of them only know ILE-ers through ILE and email, and it's clear to me that there's lots of off-ILE gossip and people telling others things that have been said in confidence. i'm getting a sense that something along these lines has happened to me, and i just want to say : you have to stop judging people you haven't met just by what you've heard from x person on ile who does know the person in question, or whatever e-mails may have been quoted or forwarded to you. please stop - it's dishonest, it's sleazy and it's creating bad vibes. judge people by your own experiences with them, not third-hand information. and no one who's involved in this should get paranoid that i'm talking about them. thank you.

N. Onomitz, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Fluxblog author Fatthew Perpetua.[citation needed]

abebe¿abebe (and what), Thursday, 5 March 2009 16:14 (sixteen years ago)

james Keiler from trader joe's is what is currently disappointing my breakfast muffin.

This is the business:

http://www.premierfoods.co.uk/premierfoods/fms//Brands/Frank%20Coopers/frank_top1.jpg

Ed, Thursday, 5 March 2009 16:14 (sixteen years ago)

i heard - no joke - he became a millionaire after coding some program that sold to a software developer

I heard this too!

And that he was building a robotic suit for himself.

Local Garda, Thursday, 5 March 2009 16:15 (sixteen years ago)

Notable regular posters have included Momus, Simon Reynolds, PappaWheelie, Philip Sherburne, Drew Daniel of Matmos and The Soft Pink Truth, John Darnielle of The Mountain Goats, internet personality Ned Raggett, former The Wire editor Mark Sinker, Dom Passantino, former Village Voice music editor Chuck Eddy, and BIG MATT aka the fluxdriver.

abebe¿abebe (and what), Thursday, 5 March 2009 16:16 (sixteen years ago)

notable?

Ant Attack.. (Ste), Thursday, 5 March 2009 16:18 (sixteen years ago)

internet personality makes Ned sound like Hank Kingsley or something...

Local Garda, Thursday, 5 March 2009 16:19 (sixteen years ago)

IL* = I love assholes?

•--• --- --- •--• (Pleasant Plains), Thursday, 5 March 2009 16:19 (sixteen years ago)

wikipedia previous edits for i love music pages = a+

abebe¿abebe (and what), Thursday, 5 March 2009 16:19 (sixteen years ago)

is il* getting naughtier?

s1ocki, Thursday, 5 March 2009 16:19 (sixteen years ago)

internet and personality, together at last

Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Thursday, 5 March 2009 16:20 (sixteen years ago)

...woman hatin' Dom Passantino, former Village Voice music editor Chuck Eddy, and celebrated gourmand Matthew 'Fluxblog' Perpetua.

Jesus Lulz (special guest stars mark bronson), Thursday, 5 March 2009 16:23 (sixteen years ago)

Give him his credit '.., celebrated misanthrope Dom Passantino'

Ed, Thursday, 5 March 2009 16:25 (sixteen years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=I_Love_Music&oldid=148497456

now-banned[1] Dom Passantino

abebe¿abebe (and what), Thursday, 5 March 2009 16:25 (sixteen years ago)

i changed it to 'crazy clown Dom Passantino' one time

Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Thursday, 5 March 2009 16:25 (sixteen years ago)

(cur) (prev) 21:39, 11 December 2008 VegaDark (talk | contribs) m (Unprotected I Love Music: page protected for a while, hopefully no longer necessary) (undo)

was wrong...

Mark G, Thursday, 5 March 2009 16:26 (sixteen years ago)

As with many internet message boards, I Love Music has thrown up more than its far share of memes that have gone on to wider popularity. These include "no (x), no credibility", "oh wrinklepaws", and "hen fap" (http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=+site:ilx.wh3rd.net+ilxor+%22hen+fap%22). The latter has gone on to widespread Wikipedia controversy in recent times.

Jesus Lulz (special guest stars mark bronson), Thursday, 5 March 2009 16:28 (sixteen years ago)

this is my favorite recent wiki find

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_of_Kiribati

wait for it.... wait for it...

abebe¿abebe (and what), Thursday, 5 March 2009 16:29 (sixteen years ago)

irl lol

Jesus Lulz (special guest stars mark bronson), Thursday, 5 March 2009 16:33 (sixteen years ago)

I still wonder which ILX person did this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SL2

Assuming it was an ILX person is pretty safe I think.

Local Garda, Thursday, 5 March 2009 16:37 (sixteen years ago)

first par of "background"

Local Garda, Thursday, 5 March 2009 16:37 (sixteen years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/91.104.124.61

gee who could that be

bnw, Thursday, 5 March 2009 16:40 (sixteen years ago)

I still wonder which ILX person did this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SL2

gotta be Gareth

Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Thursday, 5 March 2009 16:42 (sixteen years ago)

I Love Music (ILM) is a popular Internet music forum. Notable regular posters have included Momus, Ned Raggett, Simon Reynolds, cheeky-chirpy Jew-hating moderator Sterling Clover, internet legend Tynan Delong, and Mr Hen Fap himself, Fluxblog author Matthew Perpetua.

abebe¿abebe (and what), Thursday, 5 March 2009 16:51 (sixteen years ago)

Thursday, March 5, 2009 9:56 AM I Love Everything User: stanton in the shadows of brotown has been banned from thread: meta question: is il* getting nastier? temporarily

abebe¿abebe (and what), Thursday, 5 March 2009 17:11 (sixteen years ago)

The MP3 blog Fluxblog regularly features music from Kiribati, under the title "Big Perp's Big Tunes from Kiribati".

^^dying

Tuo Live Crew (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 5 March 2009 17:17 (sixteen years ago)

Can we go back to talking about marmalade?

Ed, Thursday, 5 March 2009 19:40 (sixteen years ago)

I could organize a marmalade airlift...at Waitrose, right?

Also next time you're in NYC you might try Meyer's of Keswick: most products plus dude makes pork pies.

We Need To Talk About Kevin Smith (suzy), Thursday, 5 March 2009 19:59 (sixteen years ago)

if anyone wants to fix all those dead links on the Rough Guide page i would be willing to reward them with DVD box sets of popular American youth-orientated TV shows

― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Thursday, March 5, 2009 11:05 AM

i can fix the links for you if you want

american banned stan (eman), Thursday, 5 March 2009 20:17 (sixteen years ago)

(no buffy-o)

american banned stan (eman), Thursday, 5 March 2009 20:18 (sixteen years ago)

Airlift probably not necessary as the folks are coming soon and I shall ask them to hit waitrose and the fortnum's concession in T5.

Ed, Thursday, 5 March 2009 20:24 (sixteen years ago)

Posts containing the words "Miss Jackson"

2001 - 5
2002 - 12
2003 - 9
2004 - 27*
2005 - 8
2006 - 6
2007 - 4
2008 - 0
(* Outkast)

This date shows that when Jess posted this thread in late 2001, ILX was indeed ramping up to a peak of nastiness, from which -- if we disregard the Outkast variable in 2004 -- the board has steadily backed down ever since, eventually landing on the zero-nastiness run we've been on every since a Bimble post in September 2007. (I am ending it here, but only for scientific purposes.)

nabisco, Thursday, 5 March 2009 20:31 (sixteen years ago)

actually nm that shits impossible to fix

american banned stan (eman), Thursday, 5 March 2009 20:32 (sixteen years ago)

but the song is called 'ms jackson'

lex pretend, Thursday, 5 March 2009 20:35 (sixteen years ago)

You've found the Mexican aisle, Ed...so send me some Ibarra?

We Need To Talk About Kevin Smith (suzy), Thursday, 5 March 2009 20:37 (sixteen years ago)

but the song is called 'ms jackson'

And it came out in 2000.

Bianca Jagger (jaymc), Thursday, 5 March 2009 20:39 (sixteen years ago)

I like to think that song is about Randy Jackson.

Event Horizon (Nicole), Thursday, 5 March 2009 20:41 (sixteen years ago)

oh that's right -- it was being discussed a ton in some sort of poll, but maybe that was a decade-so-far thing

nabisco, Thursday, 5 March 2009 20:41 (sixteen years ago)

I have not seen the Ibarra, only the Nestle analog and it is no way near as good. This is not a very mexican town.

Ed, Thursday, 5 March 2009 20:41 (sixteen years ago)

ah, yes, it kept getting nominated for 2000-2004 tracks poll

nabisco, Thursday, 5 March 2009 20:42 (sixteen years ago)

asterisk stands

nabisco, Thursday, 5 March 2009 20:42 (sixteen years ago)

Ed, you will be on West Coast soon and they will have it there if they have it in Mpls.

We Need To Talk About Kevin Smith (suzy), Thursday, 5 March 2009 20:50 (sixteen years ago)

actually nm that shits impossible to fix

That's a damn shame because that stuff was useful.

Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 5 March 2009 20:59 (sixteen years ago)

thought you could do a simple url find/replace but the thread ids and message ids no longer correspond to the current board. you'd have to find them one by one through search function and c/p the full url. good luck with that

american banned stan (eman), Thursday, 5 March 2009 21:28 (sixteen years ago)

Posts containing the words "Miss Jackson"

2001 - 5
2002 - 12
2003 - 9
2004 - 27*
2005 - 8
2006 - 6
2007 - 4
2008 - 0
(* Outkast)

This date shows that when Jess posted this thread in late 2001, ILX was indeed ramping up to a peak of nastiness, from which -- if we disregard the Outkast variable in 2004 -- the board has steadily backed down ever since, eventually landing on the zero-nastiness run we've been on every since a Bimble post in September 2007. (I am ending it here, but only for scientific purposes.)

― nabisco, Thursday, March 5, 2009 12:31 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

nabiscustos

The Reverend (rev), Thursday, 5 March 2009 23:17 (sixteen years ago)

what's the point of banning passantino when he can just log-in under a different name and use a different server? at least you knew to ignore whatever came up with his latest user name.

or something, Friday, 6 March 2009 01:19 (sixteen years ago)

Well, it's been a long winter and it's fair to say that everyone is suffering from the recession as well.

swedes put dill on fields of salmon (fields of salmon), Friday, 6 March 2009 01:21 (sixteen years ago)

pissing in the wind imo.

or something, Friday, 6 March 2009 01:31 (sixteen years ago)

vandalising wikipedia up in heaven now

admin log special guest star (DG), Friday, 6 March 2009 15:35 (sixteen years ago)

i can fix the links for you if you want

― american banned stan (eman), Thursday, 5 March 2009 20:17 (Yesterday)

feel free dude (just grab the source code and go from there). it's not a difficult job, just time-consuming (and i am v lazy+forgetful)...

Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Friday, 6 March 2009 15:41 (sixteen years ago)

now, how nice is that?

Mark G, Friday, 6 March 2009 16:37 (sixteen years ago)


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