why i think i should've gone to law school - gang rape in OC

resounding dud.

"The boys had every reason to believe she consented: she orchestrated it."

This is said by a lawyer? May all these lawyers have nightmares!

Gotta agree. Carries the Freedom of Info Act way too far. At least, the reporter had sense not to publish the girl's name, for fuck's sake.

Once on the pool table, Doe is again visibly unconscious. Her legs are spread, and Haidl zooms in for a close-up of Doe’s genitals. He sticks his finger in and out of her vagina; she has no reaction. Wearing a red cap backwards, Spann mugs for the camera. Doe’s face is shown, her eyes shut. She is motionless. Haidl returns for more shots of Doe’s vagina. One of the defendants says, "Let me take your spot" and someone replies, "No. No. Fuck that! Fuck that!"

is in any way justified in this article.

And as for that defense lawyer... that he can get away with calling her a "slut" IN THE TRIAL and a "fucking whore" DURING it is just fucking WRONG. WRONNNNG.

I should note that you are looking at a slice of OC hell like none other in this article. I'm not here to defend Moxley but I am not surprised either.

Heh. The LA Weekly, excuse me.

No kidding. R. Scott Moxley writes like a faux liberal fratboy. At least in this article anyway.

Like I said, "A SLICE OF OC HELL LIKE NONE OTHER." Not that idiotic misogynistic bullshit is limited to here alone, of course, but this is precisely what I would expect of assholes like this to do if they were from around here, especially when one of the accused has family connections to the local law enforcement. And if you want to include Moxley's coverage in that, there ya go.

"Welcome to the OC, bitch" doesn't sound so cute now, does it?

Information about contacting the attorneys (I plan on leaving nasty voice mail messages) as well as filing complaints with the bar association.

There's always the option to take a shit in his mailbox.

I'm honestly surprised that the majority of the responses here are shock at the article. This is the third piece on this story I've read in that paper and I have yet to have that reaction.

Make you uncomfortable? good. I think graphic details like this should be shared b/c saying "he raped the victim" isn't enough to describe the horror one person inflicts on another. People need to squirm and be disgusted. . .maybe it will change the attitudes so many people have about assault and abuse.

Getting upset over this journalist is failing to put your anger where it really belongs, the absolute profanity being committed by the defense. Is this unusual in sex crimes prosecution? nah. it's just gotten some ink in this case.

we're reacting to the article not INSTEAD OF reacting to the defense arguments... the two things seem almost part of the same process don't they?

btw link above says:

"Not only do these attorneys imply that women who dress or act a certain way deserve to be raped, thus setting a dangerous precedent for the rights of rape victims who are seeking justice, they are also in clear violation of California's Rape Shield Law. This law states that a rape victim's prior sexual history cannot be used against them to undermine their credibility in court."

i thought so.

quite frankly i would not be shocked if these men get nothing more than probation. because it happens every single fucking day in sexual assault/abuse cases, and in this case they're well connected. the only thing that indicates there's some hope in an actual appropriate sentence and not an "appropriate sentence" in the case is the fact that the one kid seems to be a repeat offender who has been being held for quite a long period now because he can't keep his hands the hell off the ladies.

some things don't have as much grey as some of us would like to believe. vigilante justice is an appealing fantasy (though "I hope they get sodomized" is kind of weird to me mainly because why waste the time on it, just give them a well fucking beating) to many because of what i've just said: who the hell determines what is appropriate in the justice system? an idea of popular justice is a bad thing, everyone in the world would get executed immediately, but otoh i'm not sure what kind of standards our judicial system is actually upholding.

"I know you were deadlocked the first time but we're hoping the intervening 16 months have given you a fresh perspective."

sl0ck1, while I find the defense lawyers' approach absolutely loathsome and reprehensible, was it illegal or low enough for them to be barred? I'm hardly a legal expert, so I'll defer to the lawyers here.

I suppose the plaintiffs COULD sue the lawyers for emotional trauma, though -- given the extremity of the abuse.

the lawyers and PIs involved in the case should also be in the house when it is sucked into hell. Actually I think what I would prefer is that they all get acute radiation sickness and die piece by piece over a period of 9-12 months.

OTM.

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(xpost: HAhahahahaha "I was so mad about that picture of the pudgy middle-aged guy wearing makeup that I had to go shoot a cheerleader.")

And now they've got you talking and thinking about something you never knew about before! THE POWER OF MARKETING! (Look, when I first saw it two years back I was all 'whuh?,' but I figured out almost immediately it was Gustavo doing it and it all made sense. Context, people! And if you're not reading the article link I provided then go there and read the man's own words!)

HAhahahahaha "I was so mad about that picture of the pudgy middle-aged guy wearing makeup that I had to go shoot a cheerleader."

Next John Waters film right there!

PRESTO YOU HAVE A BUSHY MUSTACHE

"Unfortunate Moustaches:" A picture thread

I'll grant you that and figure you'll grant me where I'm coming from in turn.

Also, I asked this elsewhere but WHO NEEDS INSTRUCTION ON HOW TO GROW A MUSTACHE????????

Orange County, as I'm sure all sides will agree, is a curious place.

Haidl’s attorney, Al Stokke, went after Jane Doe, denying that her emotional stress could be positively linked to the attack. He criticized a prosecutor’s request that the three not be segregated from the general prison population as “without question, the most outrageous position I have ever seen.” It was tantamount, he said, to “calling for their murder.”

Oh, I weep.

Tougher than the rest.

http://www.ocweekly.com/2012-04-26/news/jane-doe-greg-haidl-gang-rape/

Besides God and her parents, she credits her emergence to Schroeder and Shirley Mangio, a veteran courthouse victim advocate at Community Service Program Inc. "Shirley has really motivated me," says Doe. "The way she was there for me as a mentor, second mother and a best friend made me want to do that for other women."

In March, Doe became a certified victim's advocate and crisis-intervention counselor. She volunteers at least 18 hours per month at Project Sister Family Services in Los Angeles County. Counseling other victims is therapeutic.

"After a sexual assault, women think it's their fault," she explains. "They think they did something wrong. But I tell my victims they had nothing to do with it. Yes, they may have made a poor decision to go somewhere, but the assault was not their fault. There could be a naked prostitute standing on the corner, and that does not give men the right to rape her."

She already knows the central message of her speech at the upcoming victims' march.

"I want to send hope and to inspire other sexual assault victims," she says. "I want women to know that they can go to the depths of hell and still make it out."

Related story:

http://www.ocregister.com/news/jane-351103-doe-haidl.html

The three served their sentences and are on parole, but happily the State Supreme Court told 'em to fuck off when it came to anything being overturned or removed from their record so I hope they're enjoying their slow motion comeuppance all the more. Last known news I found about 'em:

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-greg-haidl,0,1950024.story

Carona is now a 66-month resident of a federal prison in Colorado following a corruption conviction. Jaramillo is out of custody, but only after serving both state and federal prison stints that would have been longer if he hadn't ratted out Carona. Haidl, who was caught writing off his son's legal defense as a fraudulent tax deduction, made out the best; after agreeing to surreptitiously wear a government body wire to record Carona discussing coverup efforts, he avoided prison and today enjoys mansion life in Las Vegas and Newport Coast.

Sheesh... Talk about bittersweet.