how annoying are habitual drunks who are reviled at the mention of any drug other than weed?

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a weighted question, but it bothers me.

― matthew james, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Clearly this doesn't describe me.

― Sean, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

hypocrites of course.

― Samantha, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The "I only do stuff that's natural" contingent particularly bother me. Like yeah, dude. Me too. I only drive Saturns.

― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

depends what you mean by "habitual drunks", but generally far less annoying than habitual cocaine users.

― fritz, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

it's one thing if you choose to abstain but if you choose to abstain and chastise you're a loser.

― Samantha, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

your chastisement of chastisers doesn't make cokeheads any less annoying (and I'm not an abstainer)

― fritz, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I am a habitual drunk, though I'm not reviled at the mention of any drug other than weed. I'm not a huge fan of drugs, though I am a huge fan of booze. In some way I guess this makes me something of a hypocrite, though my reasoning is quite simple; I doubt cocaine is as yummy as Smirnoff Ice.

My view regarding all other drugs is pretty much the same. I don't mind people taking drugs, I just can't stand people talking drugs.

― jamesmichaelward, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Smirnoff Ice is vile. It's a Colt 45 with sugar and lemon juice.

― Samantha, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I just don't like it when people who are ADDICTED to something look down on people who use other things. It's like when I go to a bar - A BAR - and some snotty blonde girl (no offense to blonde girls, you aren't all snotty) looks down at us while she's guzzling her 5th margarita, because we are smoking. IN A BAR, HORRORS.

I mean, obviously, doing coke to the extreme is a bad thing. But so is doing pot and drinking to the max.

― Ally, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

How about just a teensy-weensy line of crystal meth?

― Sean, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Gee thanks!

― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"Teensy weensy" is not a big deal to me. Hell, do it nonstop, that's not a big deal to me either, it's your life and body, I ain't got no problems with it. I think anything is fine in moderation, including coke/pot/drinking/smoking.

― Ally, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah mentioning drugs at all ever is lame.

& "who are reviled by", = "who revile", ?

― duane, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Take all the drugs you want--I just don't need to hear about it. I also don't need to hear about how much you had to drink last night unless you did something amazing like drive into your neighbor's kitchen.

Habitual drunks and druggies generally = dud, period.

― dan, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

driving into neighbour's kitchen when SOBER = more better still, also

― mark s, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I can honestly say that I have never had a drug or drinking problem although I used to smoke like a train. ( cigarettes) which I did stop about 6-7 years ago. :) 500$ later! I have a son who is an alcoholic and other. I told him I'll not talk to him until he gets help and so far it has been a year. He has a very poor attitude, and blames the world for his probs. I have three other chilren that are really responsible and good people. If my other son had have been the only child I had, it would have ripped my heart right out, to see him turn out this way. For any of you on this list please be careful. Gale

― Gale Deslongchamps, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I think anything is fine in moderation, including coke

Unlike the others you mention, cocaine can kill you the first time you do a line, moderation or not. cf. Len Bias, etc.

― Phil, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I am totally disgusted by caffeine addicts - especially the women I used to work with who totally freaked when tea and coffee were no longer free at work and kicked up a huge fuss along the lines of "How can you expect us to work if you don't supply us with coffee. We need coffee."

When I asked them if they thought that work should supply me with heroin if I was a heroin addict their answer was no - not on the grounds that caffeine is legal and heroin isn't but on the grounds that work shouldn't supply drugs. Fucking idiots.

― toraneko, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

And all of them can kill people who aren't doing them via people getting behind the wheel of a car under the influence. What's your point? I'm not trying to be petulant but if someone chooses to do something that kills them, that's their problem, not mine. Therefore, I have no problem with it. Coke didn't kill me, and I stopped doing it, and as long as I don't feel the need to tell everyone about it apropos of nothing, I don't see how it's anyone's problem but my own.

Which is I suppose my point. I don't think it's anyone's business what drugs/drink anyone else does as long as the other person isn't infringing on your safety.

― Ally, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Everybody should take drugs all the time. I felt a bit lame for not having done coke, speed or acid for a while now, but according to some posters caffeine counts, so piled on with the meds and occasional E and PCP I don't think I'm letting the side down. Nobody should drink either. Drinking is for slobs, regular guys, office workers in fun pubs, old ladies, fratboys, etc. Who needs it?

― dave q, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i view it no differently when i drank and now i take effexor .

― anthony, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

well, i like drinking and i also like tea and chocolate. however i dont think it's hypocritical to be extremely intolerant of cokeheads, because when i am on my alcohol of caffeine high i don't go around telling everyone how great i am and expecting everyone to listen to me and tell me how great i am and generally be the centre of the fucking universe. ALSO my alcohol and chocolate habits are not responsible (i buy fair trade chocolate after all - dunno about the alcohol though, that's mainly produced in the Scottish Highlands) for drug cartels and people getting murdered in various horrible ways and people living in poverty and fear in various countries.

― katie, Friday, 2 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

and fairtrade tea as well, before anyone gets picky.

Ally i have often thought you might actually *be* on coke whilst posting. or atleast pretending to be.

― katie, Friday, 2 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Recreational cokeheads don't, as a rule, fight lampposts, rant and rave all night, vomit all over pavements and passersby, etc.

― dave q, Friday, 2 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

they *do* rant and rave all night AND they fight the lamp post if it is not willing to admit that they are the greatest thing ever, etc etc.

― katie, Friday, 2 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Katie est sur l'argent here. I'm sorry but coke should be re- labelled instant arsehole.

― chris, Friday, 2 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I reckon coke is great. I don't know any habitual users though. I hate most people whether or not they are on drugs. I prefer people on coke to slobbering/loud/vomiting/violent/falling over/incontinent/drooling/destructive drunk people. I like drunk and cuddly though.

― toraneko, Friday, 2 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

but "slobbering/loud/vomiting/violent/falling over/incontinent/drooling/destructive" are all also bad when sober or straight (except possibly falling over)

― mark s, Friday, 2 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Do what you want.Simple.

― Jonnie, Friday, 2 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Do what you want. Do what you want. Do what you want. But if you don't want to be accused of being "annoying", do it at home. The stated question above asked "how annoying" drinkers who condemn hard drug use are, which is entirely in the eyes of the beholder, I guess. One person's annoying pill-head is another person's Judy Garland. But when I bartended, I found habitual and (even occasional) cocaine users to be the loudest, most aggressive, most demanding patrons. They found Themselves to be completely hilarious and full of important ideas about Themselves, so I could always be wrong. But of the 2 evils, I'll take a drunk bitching about cokeheads over a cokehead bitching about drunks.

― fritz, Friday, 2 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I think one should stick with friends who like what you like. I've never really encountered annoying cokeheads. I don't think I know any true coke addicts and whenever my friends have been doing coke. . .well, let's just say we all got along and had a blast. Katie though has given the best moral argument for abstaining from columbia's leading national export. Although similar arguments could be applied to alcohol (causes inumerable deaths by driving, family violence) and speed (cooked up by po white trash out in the kitchen, threatening everyone with imminent explosion.)

Maybe everyone should just stick to pot. . .

― Samantha, Friday, 2 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Except that some of us hate everything associated with pot and hate the way people behave when they've smoked it.

― toraneko, Friday, 2 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

stick to single malt whisky then!

― katie, Friday, 2 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

It's when people start telling you what to do that it fucks me off.

I mean if my friend goes out with a girl who I don't like, sure I'll tell him I don't like her but I've no right to tell him to break up with her. However when drugs are involved people seem to feel they have some moral edge over you and thus have a right to lecture.

― Ronan, Friday, 2 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

ronan: !?!?!??!???

― katie, Friday, 2 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i agree with ronan a bit. people get so fucking evangelical about drugs.....'e, man, it'll change your life! youve got to try it! why dont you want to try it?"

i heard this about 4 times a day in my second year. i dont want to change my life. its quite nice.

i'm interested in the use of the word 'abstain' further up the page. like, wouldnt it be better to use 'indulge'????

i mean, i didnt take some conscious decision not to do drugs or start smoking. i didnt 'abstain'. i just didnt bother.....bit of a silly term to use if you ask me......

― ambrose, Friday, 2 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"I agree with ronan a bit" - doesn't everyone! :):)

i know what you mean. i very rarely do drugs, and those i have done were mainly due to peer pressure and already being drunk at the time. i liked them a bit, but if i don't do them i'm not bothered. i am bothered when people around me do them and become fucking insufferable though, and i do feel that i have the right to tell them to stop doing it. cocaine has seriously - and i mean SERIOUSLY, not like "oh you've got an annoying girlfriend who'll get dumped soon anyhow" - fucked up the life of 2 people that i care about, and unlike Ally i do actually care about the lives of those around me. yes i drink. no i'm not proud of some of the things i've done when i've been drunk, but at least those have been for the most part comedic and not life-threatening.

― katie, Friday, 2 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

My connection better come through tonight, is all I've got to say.

― Sean, Friday, 2 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't think the effects of what I do are any excuse for friends to tell me not to do them. It comes down to personal choice. It's my responsibility. The analogy with girlfriends was in terms of interfering. I appreciate if my friends are concerned, but there are lines between concern and interferance (er drunken spelling) which I'd rather werent crossed by my friends. I just have big problems when people start telling me what I should and shouldnt do to myself (er what a rebel I am). So yeah I guess I leave the door open to fucking up my life and no friends being willing to tell me, but I don't think that's going to happen......obviously I don't think it will happen.

― Ronan, Friday, 2 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I should add that this is what my friends (or my good friends anyway) are used to. I guess it's a pretty big personal thing and the reason I *am* good friends with these people. We try not to interfere too much.

― Ronan, Friday, 2 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Ambrose I was arguing the other side of the coin but I totally see where you're coming from. I don't go around telling my friends to drop an e or anything. If I want to take ecstacy I'll go out with people who are going to take it with me. If I want to smoke weed even I'll steer clear of placing friends who would feel uncomfortable with it in the middle of things. But if people start arguing with me as to why I do what I do, I don't think it's unfair to try and show them why I see no problems with drugs.

― Ronan, Friday, 2 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Is this board's particular antipathy toward coke partly a punk hangover? Laid-back coke dinosaur decadence vs. sanctified speed freak energy/anger?

― Andrew L, Friday, 2 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Nah, speed's just cheaper and lasts longer.

― Sean, Friday, 2 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Can't speak for the board, but I have no antipathy toward speed or coke. I've got an aversion to hanging out with people while they're doing those drugs, because they're generally boring to be around. Life's too short and all that.

Is this board's particular antipathy toward coke partly a punk hangover? Laid-back coke dinosaur decadence vs. sanctified speed freak energy/anger?

― dan, Friday, 2 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah like sean said. coke's suppose to be this socially acceptable drug but it's like a 2nd rate version of shooting ritalin.

― duane, Friday, 2 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Best thing to do when your friends fuck up really badly on drugs is to become their dealer. The more people you have in your pocket, the easier life is.

― dave q, Saturday, 3 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Unless you're wearing hipsters.

― Nick, Saturday, 3 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

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