Drugs: C or D... or C, then D... now perhaps C again?

Dud.

Why do you think they call it dope? (wahoo...first ever reference to early 90's rockers Love/Hate on ILe or ILM, I hope!)

I am right now in the middle of a crisis wrestling with whether or not I should resume an old habit, one that I've been off for a full year, and one that could have seriously f*cked me up (and no doubt did damage anyway). I have no reason to do it again, my life is good, I have a good relationship for the first time ever, work is good, etc. Trouble is, I think about doing it NON-STOP, and the pull is getting too strong to ignore. I don't have a 'connection' anymore, but finding one shouldn't be too hard. No, drugs are dud, very dud, but after playing around with one for a while, I'm not sure I'm able to stay away. I'm a little scared about what might happen this weekend, but my mind is pretty much made up that I want to find it... This post is pretty lame, and I wish it was a joke... I'll go back to talking about music on the other bulletin board now.

yeah but other drugs aren't like that stuff - i assume you mean junk - anyway i'd hope most people here are never gonna have that problem. I hope you don't get too deep in that shit again, is all I can say 'bout it...
anyway normal healthy regular drugs - pot is good if you aren't gonna have to drive a car or express yourself coherently or decide whether a pop record is good or bad or anything like that...downs are good if you wanna go to sleep or listen to a Kiss record...psychedelics are good if you want to sit on yer khazi & suss out the moon in a cockney accent in 1967...cocaine is good if you need help acting like a big fuckin wanker...glue is useful for camouflaging the smell of pot & for repairs around the house.

i have never taken acid and haven't smoked much pot. I've only had morphine medicinally. So you might think I'm no authority. But actually I am. Once I took 16 panadol and drunk a bottle of Chardon. And the moral is - POT SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!

yeah, why do you think they call it POT?

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I live for drugs.

Right now I would DIE for some.

I only really smoke pot and drink. Drinking makes me stupid and pot makes me silly. Wait, i also live on caffenine and white refined sugars and flours.

For no reason at all over a family Sunday dinner my auntie asks if I take drugs. My dad rightly points out that I'm hardly likely to tell them if I do. There ensues a deeply comical conversation among parents, aunt, uncle and 90 year old grandpa about the availability and quality of 'reefers' (= very funny word) in their day. My grandpa (who said if he ever caught me smoking normal, non jazz fags he'd break both my legs) reckons he spent much of the war puffing away. My auntie claims to recall seeing US army chaps in London clubs doing coke also during the war. However did we win??

Despite growing up in East London in the 60s my mum claims to be as pure as can be. Square.

the family dinner which suddenly turns bizarrely (and somewhat uncomfortably) to drugs is a time honoured british tradition. it is essential for an elderly relative to say something along the lines of "i wouldn't mind trying that marijuana. i'm nearly dead so it doesn't matter anymore"

It was while they were doing coke they were convinced to storm Omaha Beach and therefore win WWII for us. Huzzah! (While your grandad was flogging petrol on the black market). Those of you who can't be arsed to check on the smoking thread should know that she has been in fear of her legs being broken by old man for quite some time.

Did you answer the question by thge way? Or did you follow your Mum's line?

My Dad paraded me infront of my uncle when he was worried about his some soking joints at college by saying "My son is the biggest drugs dustbin going". I wasn't, but if it made him happy. I have faked psychotic episodes since just to make him feel better.

I think I squeaked 'NO!' in a sort of indignant, self righteous way...

Pete, whatever you did take has totally fucked up your ability to spell / type / read.

Everyone in my office seemed to be under the impression that I am a total cokehead for no apparent reason whatsoever. I tried hard to discourage this theory as a) it is false and b) they will think they are paying me too much when the opposite is true.

Come to think of it I have remembered why auntie asked the question in the first place, due to me telling them that instead of going to a lovely barbecue I would be raving it up on Hackney Marshes next weekend. My uncle asked if I took (I quote) 'The Big E'. Snigger snigger.

Tarden: precisely. Except my poem wouldn't be about writing. Anyway, the weekend's over, I'm back at work and fine, and have had enough of a perspective shift that I almost feel better in a way. Except my back hurts.

I think that going through a "drugs phase" and then coming out of it is as much a part of growing up as not-your-first-choice gender experimentation during college and erm... yeah.

The problem with drugs is that they are a shortcut to a place better reached by taking the journey. It's like being dropped by helicopter on top of a mountain with a nice view, when what is important and interesting about mountain climbing is the interesting things that happen on the way up, and the obstacles that you overcome to get there.

Most people realise that taking drugs is just intellectually lazy and philosophically unsound, and then they stop. And take up drinking and complaining about "when I was your age..." instead. Much better.

Is it possible to get addicted to pot? Becuase my kid(ish) brother is taking a lot more (about 7 spliffs and twenty pipes a day) than anyone else I know who does quite a lot. Personally, I've dabbled but didn't get much out of it, so don't take any...

Bill

I believe that it is physically impossible to be physically addicted to pot. However, it is quite possible to be psychologically addicted to just about anything. And considering that psychological addictions are *much* harder to break than the purely physical ones, well, erm, yes, Bill, your brother might have a problem.

kate, i disagree about this mountain/journey business. nothing takes me anywhere, nothing improves my life as such. its just a laugh now and then, no different from drinking...

Agree with you Gareth - know plenty of aging tokers who show no sign of stepping off the pot path, and who are no more 'troubled' than someone who likes a glass of wine at the end of the working day.

yes, andrew, although on a personal note i'd like to throw in the fact that i'm a) too young to be described as aging, and b) i'm not a toker. just to clear up any confusion!

although, i suppose, technically we're all aging, even babies and shit

Gareth, I'm not going to discuss or debate this, because it's something too close to home for me. Different people have different expectations from, and reactions to drugs. Some people do things "once in a while for a laff, just like drinking" and some people end up in rehab by the age of 22.

Don't tell me that my experiences and conclusions were invalid, and I won't tell you that you're a drug-addled loser, OK? ;-)

no kate, you misunderstand. i believe all experiences/opinions are valid, and wanted to press the idea that there isn't *one* logical outcome, and that things are different for different people. for the record, my schoolmate died of heroin overdose at 17, i know other people who've got into bad stuff due to drugs, and a lad who went straight into a hospital on his first trip at 16. also many people who have been fine

my disagreement was the idea that mountain/journey is the logical conclusion. it is one of many things that can happen, because people are all different and equally valid both in experience and conclusion

I always wondered why people didn't get a helicopter or hot air balloon to the top of Mount Everest so they could say they got their first. Later discovered it was something to do with air pressure, plus of course the whole experience of climbing and nearly dying.

Of course mountain climbing is another seriously dangerous psychological addiction some people have.

I've done every drug known to man (pretty much) and I have no dependencies (except for nicotine and alcohol, both perfectly socially acceptable). I don't do much anymore but fully enjoyed the good experiences i have had, and have learned from the bad experiences. Most people are pretty hippocritical (spl?) about them. I can't tell u how many times i've heard people say "drugs are for wankers" followed with "except for pot and e" Personally i think that its a pretty complex equation person+substance+headspace+location+addictive personality=whatever.

Only thing i really yearn for occasionally is Ketamine :)