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I teach 11-18 year olds on supply>all this talk about bringing back the cane in the UK sickens me>I doubt it'll return>I get verbal abuse on a daily basis and often pupils square up to me trying to get me to react>I also KNOW bullies who would relish the power.

agree/disagree ?

― , Friday, 2 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

agree. I work with kids on a semi regular basis, albeit in a different setting and it horrifies me in so many ways, not least because it means that under law you can treat children differently (i.e. you can't assault adults, but you can children).

It also cuts agaist the very core of everything I belive, as outlined here elsewhere

― Ed, Friday, 2 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

my older brother got the strap heaps at primary school. he was a pretty naughty kid but 4 shaw getting the strap didn't make him behave. it don't work. and what about bullying? if you are a bully and you get the cane / strap for it, what kind of contradictory mesage does that send? violence sux and should be reserved for self-defense.

i bet hamish has something to say about that, don't you?

― di, Saturday, 3 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Of course you treat children differently, because they aren't real people. In fact, I think they should make it possible to abort somebody until they reach the age of about 12.

― dave q, Saturday, 3 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh you (titters)

― Nick, Saturday, 3 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

getting the strap serioulsy fucked me up in school.

― Geoff, Saturday, 3 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i bet hamish has something to say about that, don't you?

huh? are you trying to be rude? i didn't go to any schools in hick towns so no-one i knew ever got the strap.
oh ok Di i'll fall for your bait - violence can be fun and it has other uses than self-defence.

― hamish, Saturday, 3 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i wasn't trying to bait you, i genuinely thought you would have something to say about it.

― di, Saturday, 3 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

cos you have an answer for everything, smart-arse

― di, Saturday, 3 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

oh sorry i basically agree with what you said then.

― hamish, Saturday, 3 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Re: abortion up to age of 12. Kant had highly formalised ideas about marriage and reproduction. He thought that marriage was a contract between two parties with the property at stake being the sexual organs of the parties, which they were allowed to use freely for the duration of the marriage. This proper use of contract law would prevent people being used as means to an end, as they would be in the degrading contracts of prostitution, or masturbation. Children born within wedlock had to be treated with respect because they were the fruit of the contract. However, children born out of wedlock were allowed to be killed at birth by the mother, if she wanted.

― maryann, Saturday, 3 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

This is relevant to this discussion because Kant formalised the Enlightenment concept of people being 'ends in themselves' which is the starting point for modern contract law and for not using corporal punishment.

― maryann, Saturday, 3 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

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