TS Brigitte Bardot vs Bertolt Brecht

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― Enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 14:39 (twenty years ago)

Bernard Bresslaw vs. Bobby Bare

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 14:41 (twenty years ago)

Odd: this dichotomy figures also in Godard's film whose name has now left me: Fritz Lang remaking the Odyssey and all. Colin MacCabe once said it was the greatest work of art from post-war Europe, that film whose name has slipped my head like a fairy girl.

― the bellefox, Tuesday, 1 June 2004 14:53 (twenty years ago)

'Le Mepris'. Indeed. Lang had collaborated w/ BBrecht on 'Hangmen Also Die' and BBardot in... 'Le Mepris'.

― Enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 14:55 (twenty years ago)

this guy wins:

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 14:56 (twenty years ago)

Billy Bremner beats even Bobby Bland.

― Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 15:02 (twenty years ago)

but what about Billy Beane?

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 15:07 (twenty years ago)

Is Billy Beane like Bobby Ball? Or Brian Blessed?

― Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 15:08 (twenty years ago)

Or Betty Boothroyd?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 15:09 (twenty years ago)

probably not as funny as either.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 15:10 (twenty years ago)

Oh more of a Bill Bailey then.

― Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 15:10 (twenty years ago)

won't you come home?

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 15:11 (twenty years ago)

(Though thinking about it, Bobby Bland scores extra for being Bobby 'Blue' Bland, but then if that were allowed Billy Bragg would have to win for being Billy "Bignosed Bard from Barking" Bragg and Bragg must not be allowed to win anything.)

― Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 15:13 (twenty years ago)

Is this what they mean by 'B'-list celebrities?

― Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 15:13 (twenty years ago)

i.e. BORLANDO BLOOMPS

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 15:14 (twenty years ago)

this thread is rubbish

― charltonlido (gareth), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 15:15 (twenty years ago)

Gareth, are you angry about something?

― Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 15:16 (twenty years ago)

no. it is just that i know you are capable of better. (like yesterday, with that encouring txt, regarding the terriers)

― charltonlido (gareth), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 15:17 (twenty years ago)

Tim the extra B for "Blue" was why I had him winning!

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 15:17 (twenty years ago)

it's just that on an ilx day like today when people are being so hostile, a little bit of harmless messing about seems like a rest cure. like an ice cream on a hot day in holmfirth perhaps. i'd have thought you were better than charging into a thread and saying it was rubbish without trying to change it for the better. i don't mind or anything. did you enjoy saying it was rubbish? did it feel good?

― Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 15:20 (twenty years ago)

does it make you a bit angry when people don't ilx to the best of their capabilities? do you enjoy that?

― Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 15:21 (twenty years ago)

questions and more questions.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 15:22 (twenty years ago)

How many roads must an ILXor walk down?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 15:24 (twenty years ago)

Blinkin' Billions.

― Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 15:25 (twenty years ago)

I don't think that what I said about Godard was rubbish, save that I could not remember the name of the film, unlike the very knowledgeable Enrique.

I still cannot quite think what Le Mepris actually means! My head has gone, somewhere.

― the bluefox, Tuesday, 1 June 2004 15:31 (twenty years ago)

Contempt

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 15:32 (twenty years ago)

Precisely

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 15:33 (twenty years ago)

scorn

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 15:39 (twenty years ago)

Pinefox le Fou

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 15:40 (twenty years ago)

Le Renard du Pin?

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 15:40 (twenty years ago)

C'est une histoire sans queue ni tête.

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 15:43 (twenty years ago)

Big Brother

(wins)

(blimey)

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 15:48 (twenty years ago)

colin mccabe teaches at my school !!!

― michael bott, Tuesday, 1 June 2004 19:33 (twenty years ago)

Tell him peace up from H-dogg, still preaching hate against that C-Ricks fuck.

See, the thread is useful for the 'name game'. Knowing alliterative names=key to flip-reversal.

― Enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 20:15 (twenty years ago)

http://www.photomusique.com/gainsbourg%20pochettes/INITIALS_2_T.jpg

― Marcel Post (Marcel Post), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 20:15 (twenty years ago)

but what about this bobby le boom that tracer briefly mentioned to me in an email I have yet to reply to? is it true that it is his song, "qua que quo hein" (perhaps that is not quite right) and it is not fernand raynard's? tell me about him.

― allyzaylido, Tuesday, 1 June 2004 20:21 (twenty years ago)

Colin MacCabe once wrote an article in which he called Le Mepris "The Contempt," which makes me wonder if he actually reads French. Has anyone read his Godard bio? It looks rub.

Anyway Bardot is now an evil racist bitch, so I'd pick Brecht.

― amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 21:12 (twenty years ago)

Also her looks have completely gone. Don't know how Bertolt is looking these days.

― amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 21:12 (twenty years ago)

oh yeah: Barry Bonds.

― amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 21:14 (twenty years ago)

TS: Marshall McLuhan vs. Malcolm McLaren

― amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 21:14 (twenty years ago)

Our very own Barry Bruner.

― Lazer Guided Mellow Leee (Leee), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 21:17 (twenty years ago)

Brecht was a Stalinist. Bardot is a Le Penite (in fairness, I think she's just plain lost it).

MacCabe was at the centre of a famous row in British academia at Cambridge 20-odd years ago, and his not-very-enticing prose was certainly not a side-issue. His new book on JLG isn't great, but his old one (1980, about the Dziga Vertov films, and tres theoretical) is quite rewarding, and beautifully designed.

― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 07:38 (twenty years ago)

why would anyone waste print writing about the gdv films?

― amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 07:47 (twenty years ago)

Because JLG and C-Mac and others thought that radical film-makers could stand in for the conspicuously absent Leninist left that would bring about socialism in the west. I shit you not. JLG's post-68 work was a radical attack on representation. As I say, the book is beautifully produced, and hard to read.

― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 07:51 (twenty years ago)

" JLG's post-68 work was a radical attack on representation"

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

― amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 16:17 (twenty years ago)

'zzzzzzzzzzzzzz' is the lamest reproach evah: i mean, i don't even like post-68 jlg much, but just because the academic jargon is dead from the waist down doesn't mean the ideas behind it aren't potentially worth rethinking. i mean if people said 'zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz' at ozu you'd be peeved, but i've never seen anything written -- even by burch and wood, two favourite writers of mine -- that explains what interest resides in his films.

― Lemmy Caution, Wednesday, 2 June 2004 22:35 (twenty years ago)

i meant that godard's gzv films are dull dull dull. the films are dull, the ideas are dull.

― amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 23:29 (twenty years ago)

well, yeah, the films are incredibly dull, *incredibly* dull... but the ideas, if i don't like them, have some uses, sometimes. probably i should let of of godard, his ideas are less useful than others, i grant you...

― Enrique, Thursday, 3 June 2004 06:44 (twenty years ago)

Where does Billy Barty figure into all this?

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 3 June 2004 06:54 (twenty years ago)

but i've never seen anything written -- even by burch and wood, two favourite writers of mine -- that explains what interest resides in his films.

-- Lemmy Caution (jesu...) (webmail), June 2nd, 2004 4:35 PM. (later) (link)

maybe you should *watch the films*?

― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 3 June 2004 08:40 (twenty years ago)

i think i did enjoy it actually tim, though, as you imply, there is a certain level of bad behaviour in that. it might partially be that the thread had been derailed already, so, in my head, there had already been bad behaviour. but, yes, as you say, who am i to think that?

what about that old player who used to be at northampton town?

― charltonlido (gareth), Thursday, 3 June 2004 08:44 (twenty years ago)

And promptly discover that very little interest resides in them - XPOST!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 3 June 2004 08:46 (twenty years ago)

that was about ozu btw

― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 3 June 2004 18:56 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

One of them wuz well fit.

― [tuvan throat singer's profound lyric sheet-must read again] (nordicskilla), Friday, 6 January 2006 18:43 (nineteen years ago)

No one told me anything more about Bobby Le Boom.

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Friday, 6 January 2006 18:48 (nineteen years ago)

eighteen years pass...

I guess it was TIL that immediately following Elvis Presley's 1968 comeback TV special NBC aired an hour of Brigitte Bardot's TV special in which she sang songs of Serge Gainsbourg etc. That is weird to contemplate.

― Josefa, Saturday, 13 January 2024 02:37 (one year ago)

― Pictish in the Woods (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 13 January 2024 02:40 (one year ago)

I wonder how many people watched both, and how they might have evaluated the two

― Josefa, Saturday, 13 January 2024 02:45 (one year ago)

She had some great quote like: "I made fifty films, and three of them were good."

1. And God Created Woman
2. Contempt
3. ???

― Andy the Grasshopper, Saturday, 13 January 2024 02:56 (one year ago)

Maybe La Vérité, which I haven't seen? Viva Maria was fun.

― Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 13 January 2024 16:08 (one year ago)

Her cameo in Masculin Feminin?

Heard good things about her Michel DeVille joint The Bear and The Doll from 1970. The domestic DVD apparently is horrible, a full-frame B&W print of a widescreen color film.

― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 14 January 2024 02:38 (one year ago)

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