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as posited in Amtrak thread. Obv. Europeans have the advantage when it comes to railroad stations, but American ones can be nice too, so this is where you get to discuss them. And maybe even add pictures.

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Grand Central Station (NYC)
old Penn Station (NYC)
Poughkeepsie, NY
Rhinecliff, NY
30th Street Station, Philadelphia
old Union Station, Louisville (now TARC headquarters)
Portland, OR
Union Station, St. Louis
Union Station, Indianapolis

DESTROY:
Seattle, WA
temporary stations in Indianapolis and St. Louis during the 1980s
no Amtrak service in Kentucky any more

others?

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:15 (twenty years ago) link

also DESTROY Penn Station (though I did get Keith Hernandez's autograph there Sunday).

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:17 (twenty years ago) link

I have a nice picture of the station at El Paso.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:17 (twenty years ago) link

Union Station LA -- search all the way:

http://www.mykreeve.net/california/los_angeles/downtown/union_station_by_day.jpg

Spencer Chow and Elvis Telecom to thread! They can speak on it much more thoroughly than I.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:18 (twenty years ago) link

I like Union Station in DC also, there's a huge food court and movie theater there, among a bunch of mall-esque shops. My friends and I used to go there just to hang out.

NA (Nick A.), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:18 (twenty years ago) link

Oh oh oh I also like the Chicago station where they shot the Untouchables! And the downtown LA station has a wonderful run-down charm.

(x-post!!!)

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:18 (twenty years ago) link

Doesn't look so run-down there, have they renovated it? I haven't been in almost 10 years.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:19 (twenty years ago) link

It is looking pretty damn good these days.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:19 (twenty years ago) link

Stairs outside the Rhinecliff station leading to the track (the only exterior shot of the building I could find came up as an error page):

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:21 (twenty years ago) link

update: stence, they are finally remodeling the Seattle train station and expanding it. But I have to agree.. currently, the station itself and the immediate surroundings is a piece of shit compared to other cities.

donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:22 (twenty years ago) link

ah cool, what you could see above the tile ceiling looked interesting.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:23 (twenty years ago) link

Union Station - Worcester
http://www.wpi.edu/News/Journal/Spring00/Images/back_cover.jpg

Chris 'The Velvet Bingo' V (Chris V), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:23 (twenty years ago) link

whoa that's beautiful!

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:24 (twenty years ago) link

So why do all train stations have the same name?

NA (Nick A.), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:24 (twenty years ago) link

montreal version!!

search: windsor station (defunct)
destroy: central station (depressing)

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:25 (twenty years ago) link

So why do all train stations have the same name?

Y'know a Southerner would have to ask this question...

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:26 (twenty years ago) link

Heres what it looked like after years of neglect. It was re-done about 4 years ago. It also houses a really cool blues club now.

http://www.eyrie-productions.com/~gryphon/Worc/union.jpg

Chris 'The Velvet Bingo' V (Chris V), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:27 (twenty years ago) link

USE YR IMAGINATION!

(and I'm not really a southerner, btw)

NA (Nick A.), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:27 (twenty years ago) link

I just learned about this now-defunct LIRR station called Penny Bridge and it's so little and ramshackle that I'm just madly in love with it.

http://arrts-arrchives.com/images/qqpy6.jpg

stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:27 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.coffeedrome.com/images/earnest22.jpg

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:29 (twenty years ago) link

I love this:
http://dime2.dizinc.com/~seedetro/pictures/mcsweb/

Detroit's Michigan Central Station

sgs (sgs), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:40 (twenty years ago) link

ooh baby you're speaking my language!

stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:43 (twenty years ago) link

Search: Union Station, DC, as already mentioned.
Destroy: Durham, NC, because as a European, I was expecting something a little bigger than a shack (even Bicester has a bigger station and we're not exactly a city)

carson dial (carson dial), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:45 (twenty years ago) link

seattle greyhound station is really kind of odd. it was like, is it open?

charltonlido (gareth), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 17:57 (twenty years ago) link

too bad you can't get a train there anymore:

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 17:58 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.railroadforums.com/photos/data/505/746PASADENA1.jpg

Currently this building has been moved slightly from its original site, and is propped up on blocks waiting re-installation in the vecinity. It will be a commercial building of some kind. The train to the above-pictured LA Union Station just has an outdoor platform here now.

nickn (nickn), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 18:39 (twenty years ago) link

What everyone else said w.r.t the Los Angeles Union Station. Also search the Santa Ana, CA train station for a cool-looking small station

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 18:48 (twenty years ago) link

Chicago's Northwestern Station
http://www.planetgary.net/arch/images/image027.jpg
can't find a decent picture of it..

So why do all train stations have the same name?
They're named after the railroad...

dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 19:00 (twenty years ago) link

uh Union PACIFIC didn't operate on the ATLANTIC seaboard.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 19:01 (twenty years ago) link

the building that the Northwestern station is in is said to resemble a big-ass cash register from afar.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 19:03 (twenty years ago) link

Nashville's Union Station saw its last passenger train in 1979. Here's the other end of the L&N for H:

http://www.koyote.com/users/whsulliv/unionstation1902.jpg


But sorry, any railroad station that has been irrevocably converted to some use other than being a functioning railroad station is in the "Destroy" category for me. Nashville Union Station is a hotel. The desk clerk works out of the ticket windows, how cute.

Here's what's worse: the train shed, "the longest single-span, gable roof structure constructed in the Unites States" and a designated National Historic Landmark, was allowed to deteriorate by its owners and was knocked down for parking in a particularly noxious bit of log-rolling by the city and private developers.

This business doesn't happen to working train stations. When I say "destroy," I mean "destroy."

Dickerson Pike (Dickerson Pike), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 19:10 (twenty years ago) link

The train station at Hoboken, NJ. Had to do a double take, it looked so much like Grand Central Station.

Best shot I could find.

http://www.rpmotoring.com/stations/pictures/USA/hoboken.JPG

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 19:12 (twenty years ago) link

Here's what's worse: the train shed, "the longest single-span, gable roof structure constructed in the Unites States" and a designated National Historic Landmark, was allowed to deteriorate by its owners and was knocked down for parking in a particularly noxious bit of log-rolling by the city and private developers.

This business doesn't happen to working train stations.

It happened to Penn Station, New York, didn't it?

I always thought that a Union Station was Americanese for a joint station - one shared by several railway companies' services.

caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 19:33 (twenty years ago) link

U.S. Grant to thread.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 19:36 (twenty years ago) link

Hoboken looks nothing like Grand Central.

Also, you can absolutely destroy the New Haven version of Union Station. What a complete shithole. Current Penn Station is also quite honestly full of shit but I do actually kind of enjoy the weird chaos and absolute panic they have going on there as an actual system of transportation. I somewhat enjoy their method of waiting until 4 minutes til the train's scheduled departure time for posting the track, resulting in a madhouse of people bumrushing the track, screaming back and forth at each other "14E is this way! This way!" and bowling over small children and old people. I ESPECIALLY love this when the train they are running for is a reserved train ie wtf you will not ever be forced to stand on that train unlike the other 10,000 people at any given time in Penn Station.

I'm actually not being sarcastic. I do wonder how come so many of the Amtrak Northeast Corridor patrons haven't figured out the SECRET and just position themselves by the right track TEN MINUTES earlier than the announcement (hint: NEW YORK IS NONE OF THE TRAINS' ORIGINAL DEPARTURE SITE). I pity the people waiting for NJ Transit there.

Allyzay, Tuesday, 1 June 2004 19:40 (twenty years ago) link

Also search the Santa Ana, CA train station for a cool-looking small station

Ah, I'm not the only one! Yes, this is a lovely station indeed -- discovered it in recent years when it became my nearest station, after dealing with the charmlessly efficient Irvine station for a while. The Santa Ana one is a bit like a miniature Union Station LA from the outside, nowhere near as tall but the same kind of mission/Mexican-variant style. The inside's not bad either, and they have a great inner courtyard where one waits for the train.

http://snow.prohosting.com/usarail/santaana1.jpg

http://snow.prohosting.com/usarail/santaana2.jpg

http://snow.prohosting.com/usarail/santaana4.jpg

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 19:44 (twenty years ago) link

i love union in dc. i have many fond memories of arriving there after taking the train from nyc as the second half of my journey home from boarding school.

i am glad that there is finally something in the worcester train station. it is very beautiful, but when i was going to school up there, it was empty. are there still only one or two trains that go between worcester and boston on the weekends?

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 19:59 (twenty years ago) link

Union Station DC at midnight+ versus Union Station DC during the day are two wholly different beasts and since that experience I have decided that I find Union Station DC vaguely creepy and foreboding.

Allyzay, Tuesday, 1 June 2004 20:02 (twenty years ago) link

i have many fond memories of arriving there after taking the train from nyc as the second half of my journey home from boarding school.

Aaron is Walter Becker and I claim my $5.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 20:05 (twenty years ago) link

I agree with Ally on DC's Union station. I used to go to movies there occasionally, and though it was a cool space (the spiral stairs especially) the shopping area always seemed eerie. I took a day trip to Baltimore once, and really liked that station, especially the old curved benches and weathered green copper. I think it was unrestored then (1999). Anyone know what happened to it since?

sgs (sgs), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 20:07 (twenty years ago) link

ally my german roommate sjunior year of boarding school came down to stay with me on his way to visit some relatives in southern virginia. we dropped him off at the bus station at like 8am near union station. he was robbed. maybe its because, even though he was a rich kid from the suburbs of frankfurt, he somehow though he was hiphop and had a huge hilfiger jacket on.

(xpost)
ive been outed! dammit! so, how did you all like the last album?

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 20:09 (twenty years ago) link

Frankfurtern mit eine Jacke des "Hilfiger" = HI PLEASE ROB ME I AM SO READY FOR IT

But anyway I am quite used to homeless people, sketchy types, etc being about train stations. I've just never been in a train station, even the godawful New Haven one, with ONLY super sketchy people. The glamorous shops and well made station becomes nothing but a receptacle for really, really unsavory people at night, and the security guards are few and far between. I would think it'd be better at 8am, altho bus stations tend to be more sketchy than train stations.

Allyzay, Tuesday, 1 June 2004 20:14 (twenty years ago) link

In the right light the grand gestures of Newark Penn Station's architecture still looks very impressive. In the wrong light... ewww.

stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 20:14 (twenty years ago) link

still look (argh)

stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 20:15 (twenty years ago) link

xpost to AaronWalter - dude Walter I didn't hear it but goddamn "My Old School" slays me every time.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 20:15 (twenty years ago) link

caitlin otm regarding why union stations are so called

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 20:26 (twenty years ago) link

where'd you find that out?

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 20:27 (twenty years ago) link

still look (argh)

The broken window in the second pic gives it just the right amount of ambience.Looks like the old station down on Atlantic Avenue in Brooklyn (from the outside). Speaking of, has that station been hosed down and modernised yet? Can't remember....

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 20:43 (twenty years ago) link

Atlantic Ave.'s been under (re)construction since I lived on 4th Ave. in 1997.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 20:47 (twenty years ago) link

It's been under reconstruction since i was going to preschool on Nevins Ave, dude.

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 20:49 (twenty years ago) link

damn.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 20:49 (twenty years ago) link


It happened to Penn Station, New York, didn't it?

Yeah, I get to walk that locker room of a train station every day. I inverted the logic there, oops-- take the trains away from a station and you're weeks away from seeing it converted to a coffee bar or a weekend home.

Dickerson Pike (Dickerson Pike), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 21:31 (twenty years ago) link

Of course, now that I think about it, Jersey City's Central Railroad Station managed to survive, despite being cut off from rail service, but its new life is based on the fact that it was, and is, a ferry landing.

Dickerson Pike (Dickerson Pike), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 21:41 (twenty years ago) link

as always, philadelphia is overlooked. someone's REALLY been in my mind, 'cause just this afternoon when i was eating outside and had a zillion pigeons surround me i thought of 30th street station (which also lets pigeons fly around). (this must be some strange philadelphia thing, 'cause the birds ALSO fly all over the place at suburban station. anyone who likes to feel they're on the set of the birds, you know where to go).

anyway, i kinda grew to love 30th street station -- between the birds flying overhead while you eat in the food court (with a bar that serves YUENGLING), that WWII statue thing at the 29th street(?) exit, the big-ass xmas tree that GOBSMACKS you when yer coming up from the amtrak platform. and they used to have a mini-exhibit with pictures of all of the old major philadelphia train stations back in the day -- including the old broad street/suburban station and the original reading terminal! (surely, some pix exist on the web.)

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 01:41 (twenty years ago) link

DESTROY: All the CT Metro North commuter "stations"

C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 01:45 (twenty years ago) link

about 30th street, w/ some pictures to boot.

including this one of the main concourse:

http://www.chesco.com/~apu/prr/images/30th_skyway.jpg

and that wwII statue:

http://www.chesco.com/~apu/prr/images/30th_statue.jpg

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 01:50 (twenty years ago) link

the old broad street station, torn down in the fifties (along w/ its "chinese wall"):

http://www.prrths.com/PRR_Images/broad.jpg

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 01:55 (twenty years ago) link

as always, philadelphia is overlooked.

as always, anything hstencil writes, including the initial post starting the thread, is overlooked.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 02:05 (twenty years ago) link

some pictures of market east terminal, across the street from the reading terminal market. i like it and its funky/tacky multicolored mural (kinda visible, but not the best view thereof) -- you judge:

http://web.presby.edu/~jtbell/transit/images/Philadelphia/RegionalRail/MarketEast1.jpg

http://web.presby.edu/~jtbell/transit/images/Philadelphia/RegionalRail/MarketEast2.jpg

http://personalwebs.myriad.net/lruback/Philly/SEPTA/SEPTA_MarketStEastStation_Philly.jpg

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 02:10 (twenty years ago) link

I've been there too, and liked it (forgot to mention it tho).

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 02:13 (twenty years ago) link

I'm like motherfucking Neil again here.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 02:21 (twenty years ago) link

I wrote "my old school" whilst in the tub.

i love the philly stop because when travelling between dc and nyc there is enough time to smoke at the philly stop.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 02:23 (twenty years ago) link

oh yeah, NYC penn station (such as it is) is INFINITELY better than newark's penn station. if for no other reason than the food -- and variety of same -- is better.

and ally's right ... hoboken terminal looks NOTHING like grand central. though it is kinda nice after having been restored.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 02:25 (twenty years ago) link

i love the philly stop because when travelling between dc and nyc there is enough time to smoke at the philly stop.

on one side (31st street?), you get a panoramic view of lovely west philly (and the drexel lion). on the other, the center city skyline (and, at night, the PECO Tower and whoever's advertising a message across it that evening).

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 02:27 (twenty years ago) link

I have never seen any indication that there is enough time to smoke at the Philly stop!!

When did Hoboken get restored?

Allyzay, Wednesday, 2 June 2004 02:33 (twenty years ago) link

ally: when the keystone express (that goes from NYC to pittsburgh) stops in philadelphia, there's a 15-30 min. break when they change engines at the station. (i know this shit TOO well). they let you smoke on the amtrak platform, if you don't wanna schlepp upstairs into the terminal itself.

(i've seen folks smoking on the amtrak platform at NYC penn station, too, though i dunno if it's legal [dunno if it's legal at 30th street, either, for that matter].)

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 02:38 (twenty years ago) link

i think that the hoboken station was restored late 90s. i vaguely remember it being REAL run down when i was there in 1993-94, so it had to be sometime thereafter.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 02:39 (twenty years ago) link

oh and to be REALLY PATHETIC ... i took the fucking amtrak so much that i got free amtrak tix b/w nyc and philadelphia. i'm planning on going down some weekend this or next month -- so if anyone wants to join me (either to philadelphia or en route elsewhere), pipe up!

(i won't pay yer fare, though. i may buy you a coffee or a beer.)

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 02:41 (twenty years ago) link

northeast direct:
i havent done the trip in a few years, but, as far as i can remember, there is about a 5 minute wait there, regardless of the amount of passengers. i used to:
1. get up from my seat as we were pulling in, and position myself close to the door
2. go out, light the cigarette, and talk to the conductor, while smoking, until he would tell me to go back in (sometimes the nice ones would let me finish).

you have to smoke fast though. and somebody has to know that you have to get back on. it generally works better when it is an off-peak time. if nobody is really getting on or off, they still have to wait for 5 minutes, which makes everything a lot easier because the conductor will see you, and you will be able to start the cigarette at the same time you are stepping out of the train.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 02:44 (twenty years ago) link

30th Street Station announcement echoes heard while high on marijuana = classic.

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 02:50 (twenty years ago) link

i'm planning on going down some weekend this or next month -- so if anyone wants to join me (either to philadelphia or en route elsewhere), pipe up!

Dude if there's a Phillies home game involved, me and my girl might be up for one round (and save the return trip for Chinatown bus). Gotta retrieve my Keith Hernandez autograph that I mistakenly left down there!

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 02:53 (twenty years ago) link

Say, hstencil, have you ever heard of Keith Hernandez? Really??!

Allyzay, Wednesday, 2 June 2004 02:56 (twenty years ago) link

Anyway, they did a nice job fixing up 30th Street several years back. I was happily surprised.

So, hstencil, were you in Philadelphia long? I guess I should have offered to meet, but I have yet to make any face to face contacts via ILX, and I almost think it's better to just leave it like that.

x-post, oh baseball. I think I'll pass.

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 02:56 (twenty years ago) link

I looked at him in his blue hawaiian shirt and thought "Who does this guy think he is?"

Rockist, we were only in town for a night. And you'd like Citizens Bank Park - it is beautiful and nice and they have a thing where you can make your own Philly Phanatic doll! You gotta be into that!

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 02:58 (twenty years ago) link

i haven't been to the new ballpark yet, the phillies are in contention, and i haven't seen a ballgame down there since 1980 ... this sounds like a plan!

(i had off from work last yom kippur, so on that day i went to take a last look at the vet ... if i had been AWAKE on the day it was imploded, i woulda watched it simulcast on the web -- the phillie phanatic AND greg luzinski did the honors!)

tweesentimentalistbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 03:00 (twenty years ago) link

My father and brother were at the last game at Connie Mack (sp?) Stadium. My brother had a piece of chair from the stadium. (He said everyone else was tearing the place apart, so he grabbed something as well.) He used to keep it under his bed, as a weapon. "If anybody breaks in, I'm going to hit them with Connie Mack."

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 03:05 (twenty years ago) link

connie mack ... man, that's HARDCORE.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 03:14 (twenty years ago) link

There are about 50 railway companies called "Union" .. (not just Union Pacific)

I thought it might have to do with "The Union" i.e. the North, but there are some in the South also .. so why is the railway called "Union" ?

.. but according to wikipedia, caitlin OTM.

dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 11:03 (twenty years ago) link

yeah but there's a Union Station in Louisville and one in Nashville and they were on the L&N line!

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 20:27 (twenty years ago) link

three months pass...
love

teh pow! (blueski), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 11:36 (twenty years ago) link


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