CIA Director Resigns

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Well WTF

TOMBOT, Thursday, 3 June 2004 13:59 (twenty years ago) link

Well someone has to carry the can for Donald Rumsfeld's mistakes

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 3 June 2004 14:02 (twenty years ago) link

The question is what the spin will be, and who spins it.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 3 June 2004 14:03 (twenty years ago) link

I hear he just wants to spend more time with his family.

dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 3 June 2004 14:04 (twenty years ago) link

Oh man.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 3 June 2004 14:09 (twenty years ago) link

The spin will be "hey Clinton hired him, so ha". Just watch.

Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 3 June 2004 14:10 (twenty years ago) link

Pity his family (?)

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Thursday, 3 June 2004 14:11 (twenty years ago) link

Maybe he merely got a better offer from a competing company.

Huk-L, Thursday, 3 June 2004 14:12 (twenty years ago) link

IT'S A SLAM DUNK.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 3 June 2004 14:12 (twenty years ago) link

The spin will be "hey Clinton hired him, so ha". Just watch.

After over three years on the job under Bush, that's a hard stance to take.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 3 June 2004 14:13 (twenty years ago) link

"I will miss him," Bush said.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 3 June 2004 14:14 (twenty years ago) link

"rumsfeld's mistakes"

kephm, Thursday, 3 June 2004 14:14 (twenty years ago) link

"But not by enough that he doesn't get the message."

xpost

Huk-L, Thursday, 3 June 2004 14:15 (twenty years ago) link

Why now, exactly, is just as interesting a question.

Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 3 June 2004 14:17 (twenty years ago) link

The spin will be "hey Clinton hired him, so ha". Just watch.

Sadly, I think Gear OTM here.

I so, so, so look forward to Bush leaving office (preferably in a torrent of scandal and controversy, but I'll take 'merely voted out by an overwhelming majority' as well).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 3 June 2004 14:17 (twenty years ago) link

from http://juancole.com

Tenet Resigns

I have no inside sources on why George Tenet just resigned as director of the Central Intelligence Agency. But I can think of three reasons for which he ought to have resigned.

First, it was announced on Wednesday that President George W. Bush had retained counsel with regard to the Plame investigation. Last summer someone in the White House or close to it leaked to the press that Valerie Plame was a secret operative for the CIA, specializing in countering proliferation of weapons of mass destruction.

This leak aimed at punishing her husband, former ambassador Joe Wilson, for having gone public about his mission to Niger in spring of 2002, in which he disproved the story that Iraq tried to buy yellowcake uranium from that country. Despite Wilson's report to the CIA, requested by VP Dick Cheney, and against Tenet's strong advice, Bush put the allegation into his 2003 State of the Union address.

Tenet should have resigned when Bush insisted on trumpeting an Iraqi nuclear weapons program at a time when Tenet was denying there was any such thing. (Tenet did think Iraq had chemical and biological programs, about which he was wrong). The nuclear claim helped convince the country to go to war. It was false. Tenet knew it was false. He told Bush that. Bush either knew it was false and said it anyway, or he disbelieved Tenet. Either thing should have produced Tenet's resignation.

That Bush retained counsel suggests that he intends to continue to cover for the slime who outed Plame, thereby endangering the lives of dozens of key contacts in the Third World who had been seen hanging out with her over the years when she had a cover as an energy consultant. Bush can produce the perpetrator if he wants, but has decided not to.

So Tenet should resign over that.

Then, someone leaked to Ahmad Chalabi sensitive details of the CIA's cryptography operations against Iran. The leaker is probably a neocon with Defense Department links. Bush could also produce this person if he wanted to. He has not.

So Tenet should resign over Bush's shocking disregard for national security.

Note that Plame's portfolio was fighting the spread of weapons of mass destruction. Someone in Bush's circle set that effort back years by outing her. And note that having broken Iran's code, the US was in a better position to monitor any Iranian efforts to develop WMD. Now that capability has been lost.

With all this brouhaha about fighting weapons of mass destruction proliferation, the Bush administration has actually set back those efforts horribly, for the purposes of petty political gain. It took us to war in Iraq on a WMD pretext. But that turns out to have been a scam on someone's part, and we are much less safe now than before.

Maria D., Thursday, 3 June 2004 14:37 (twenty years ago) link

"Tenet will serve until mid-July. Bush said that deputy John McLaughlin will temporarily lead America's premier spy agency until a successor is found."

Operations Shakti and Mahavishnu to begin immediately.

earlnash, Thursday, 3 June 2004 14:39 (twenty years ago) link

What should the title of his book be? I'm guessing it will be out by september.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 3 June 2004 15:03 (twenty years ago) link

"FUCK A BUSH"

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 3 June 2004 15:03 (twenty years ago) link

Howzabout this: The Plame Game: How I Was Bushwacked By The Cowboy From Crawford

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 3 June 2004 15:08 (twenty years ago) link

"how I was SLAMDUNKED" would be better.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 3 June 2004 15:08 (twenty years ago) link

or even "The PLAME BLAME GAME"

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 3 June 2004 15:09 (twenty years ago) link

unless that's too LAME

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 3 June 2004 15:09 (twenty years ago) link

shame

dyson (dyson), Thursday, 3 June 2004 15:14 (twenty years ago) link

Top post, Maria D!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 3 June 2004 15:16 (twenty years ago) link

And note that having broken Iran's code, the US was in a better position to monitor any Iranian efforts to develop WMD. Now that capability has been lost.

Only if there's any reality to this story. As currently told, it has some holes. It's possible, for instance, that the US did not have the capability stated in these stories. Alternatvely, it's also possibly simple disinformation, a story that casts the impression Iran has
been able to secure it's electronic signals or been given an opportunity to do so, when in fact, it has not.

Either of these explanations could use the current story as cover with the added benefit of piling on Chalabi.



George Smith, Thursday, 3 June 2004 16:07 (twenty years ago) link

Intriguing -- so perhaps dumping on Chalabi was Tenet's intentional final act before bailing, with a larger strategic goal lurking in the background separate from whoever is in the White House? I beg your pardon if I'm reading that wrong.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 3 June 2004 16:09 (twenty years ago) link

Yep, could be. There's just not enough detail in the story to draw much from it.

For example, if you or I were running a secure communications operation that we suspected might be compromised by a technologically greatly superior foe, we might choose to regularly pass bogus control transmissions to see if the foe acted upon them. Not pass one when someone conveniently told use we were being snooped upon, as is said to be the case in the Chalabi story.

Also, recall, that only a week to ten days ago, Iraqi intelligence was attributed in some stories to have been so clever as to run disinformation on Iraq through Chalabi or others to the Bush administration, abetting the war. In this, they were said to be quite clever, according to news pieces.

Now, this week, we read that Iraqi intell communications were totally compromised by US technical collection means. This implies the opposite of the news which circulated previously. It shows an intell operation that perhaps is not so clever and which was having its mail read. If -this- is true, it would seem to indicate that NSA would have known Iranian secrets, making it much less likely that nation could run a successful intell disinformation campaign.

So which is it? Or none of the above, something quite different?

Perhaps it is not even important that US intelligence had broken whatever ciphering code Iranian intelligence was using. Maybe its means lie elsewhere, for example, in interception of communications -before- they are encrypted.

There's lots of possibilities.

George Smith, Thursday, 3 June 2004 18:21 (twenty years ago) link

I do like stuff like this because it's so removed from moral posturing on the political front.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 3 June 2004 18:24 (twenty years ago) link

Allowing for the altogether likely possibility that I'm missing something due to not following things very closely, did you mean to say "we read that Iraqi intell communications were totally compromised by US technical collection means" or did you mean Iranian intel communications? Because I thought it was Iranian intel which we had allegedly busted wide open.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 3 June 2004 18:32 (twenty years ago) link

(Thus there not being a contradiction here, seeing as Iraq and Iran are seperate states with seperate goals ect ect ect.)

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 3 June 2004 18:32 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, the cigar might just be a cigar. Or it might be ... real complicated but portrayed simply and in broad strokes for the lip readers ... like everything that gets dragged into the war on terror in Iraq.

George Smith, Thursday, 3 June 2004 18:36 (twenty years ago) link

"we read that Iraqi intell

Good eye, Dan. I did mean "Iranian."

George Smith, Thursday, 3 June 2004 18:38 (twenty years ago) link

Per the ABC Political Unit's Noted Now (which doesn't PermaLink), there's an upcoming Senate Intelligence Committee report on pre-war intelligence failures that's "devastating" for Tenet and caused his support on the Hill to decline in both parties. So, while (perhaps extremely, on more than one level) convenient for Bush, this isn't alone a fall-guy situation.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 3 June 2004 21:23 (twenty years ago) link

"really, who gives a rat's ass what Al Gore says? Dan Quayle?"

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 3 June 2004 21:54 (twenty years ago) link

The CIA's Director of Operations is also leaving, claiming that it has nothing to do with Tenet's resignation. I've read suggestions that these are firings, and other suggestions that this is the beginning of the real CIA offensive on the admin, i.e. they want to free themselves from operational responsibilities to go after them full time.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 3 June 2004 23:20 (twenty years ago) link

Heh, John McLaughlin, temporary stand-in for Tenet, was guest speaker at my wife's graduation. There was a walkout in protest of his appearance.


And Naughty By Nature played!

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 4 June 2004 02:59 (twenty years ago) link

http://otoro.com/images/bush_ohnoes.jpg

retort pouch (retort pouch), Friday, 4 June 2004 03:18 (twenty years ago) link

I hear he just wants to spend more time with his family.
-- dave225 (adspac...), June 3rd, 2004 11:04 AM.

I was just kidding when I wrote that.. but then that's his official line right now.. but it still translates to me as, "enough of this shit - I'm going home."

dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 4 June 2004 11:04 (twenty years ago) link

Well, yes it's the standard non-explanation explanation. And particularly absurd from Tenet, which may have been the intent. Though I do think I recall reading similar sentiments about spending more time with his son from him in the past. Moreover, there are reports that Tenet, a cigar smoker, has heart problems.

However, do pay attention to the precise wording of one of his statements in his resignation speech - "This is the most difficult decision I have ever had to make. And while Washington and the media will put many different faces on the decision it was a personal decision and had only one basis in fact: the well-being of my wonderful family. Nothing more and nothing less." (emphasis added). Could they have threatened his family? We know they were willing to blow an agent's cover, exposing her to risk. (I didn't come up with this myself, but don't remember to whom it should be attributed) I don't buy this, really, but it's worth considering.

Here's a different take on the Gore factor.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 4 June 2004 11:37 (twenty years ago) link

I think Tenet was stuck in an impossible position... Remaining loyal to the agency or to BushCo. There's still too much unknown here, but the next couple months are going to be intersting as the Plame case develops

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Saturday, 5 June 2004 15:53 (twenty years ago) link

Highly spectulative but detailed article on the larger damage from the Plame case.

Shortly after the "surprise" Tenet-Pavitt resignations, current and former senior members of the U.S. intelligence community and the Justice Department told journalist Wayne Madsen, a former Naval intelligence officer, that they were directly connected to the criminal investigation of a 2003 White House leak that openly exposed Valerie Plame as an undercover CIA officer. What received less attention was that the leak also destroyed a long-term CIA proprietary intelligence gathering operation which, as we will see, was of immense importance to US strategic interests at a critical moment.

The leak was a vindictive retaliation for statements, reports and actions taken by Plame's husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, which had deeply embarrassed the Bush administration and exposed it to possible charges for impeachable offenses, including lying to the American people about an alleged (and totally unfounded) nuclear threat posed by Iraq's Saddam Hussein. Conservative columnist Robert Novak, the beneficiary of the leak, immediately published it on July 14, 2003 and Valerie Plame's career (at least the covert part) instantly ended. The actual damage caused by that leak has never been fully appreciated.

Wilson deeply embarrassed almost every senior member of the Bush junta by proving to the world that they were consciously lying about one of their most important justifications for invading Iraq: namely, their claim to have had certain knowledge, based on "good and reliable" intelligence, that Hussein was on the brink of deploying a nuclear weapon, possibly inside the United States. It was eventually disclosed that the "intelligence" possessed by the administration was a set of poorly forged documents on letterhead from the government of Niger, which described attempts by Iraq to purchase yellowcake uranium for a nuclear weapons program.

It has since been established by Scott Ritter and others that Iraq's nuclear weapons program had been dead in the water and non-functioning since the first Iraq war.

Wilson was secretly dispatched in February 2002, on instructions from Dick Cheney to the CIA, to go to Niger and look for anything that might support the material in the documents. They had already been dismissed as forgeries by the International Atomic Energy Agency, the CIA, and apparently everyone else who had seen them. The CIA cautioned the administration, more than once, against using them. Shortly thereafter, Wilson returned and gave his report stating clearly that the allegations were pure bunk and unsupportable.

In spite of this, unaware of the booby traps laid all around them, the entire power core of the Bush administration jumped on the Niger documents as on a battle horse and charged off into in a massive public relations blitz. Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Powell, Wolfowitz and others - to varying degrees - insisted, testified, and swore that they knew, and had reliable, credible and verified intelligence that Saddam was about to deploy an actual nuclear device built from the Niger yellowcake.

It was full court media press and they successfully scared the pants off of most Americans who believed that Saddam was going to nuke them any second.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 07:30 (twenty years ago) link

Ruppert believes that Colin Powell and Richard Armitage will be the next to resign, and after Powell's last couple of press conferences, I'm inclined to believe him.

I've long believed that there's a schism between BushCo and the career intelligence establishment and I find myself in the bizarre position of rooting for the CIA.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 07:35 (twenty years ago) link

Thomas Powers on the war between the CIA and the Executive Branch

The U.S. is now waging three wars, says intelligence expert Thomas Powers. One is in Iraq. The second is in Afghanistan. And the third is in Washington - an all-out war between the White House and the nation's own intelligence agencies.

Powers, the author of "Intelligence Wars: American Secret History From Hitler to Al Qaeda," charges that the Bush administration is responsible for what is perhaps the greatest disaster in the history of U.S. intelligence. From failing to anticipate 9/11 to pressuring the CIA to produce bogus justifications for war, from abusing Iraqi prisoners to misrepresenting the nature of Iraqi insurgents, the Bush White House, the Pentagon and the intelligence agencies they corrupted, coerced or ignored have made extraordinarily grave errors which could threaten our national security for years. By manipulating intelligence and punishing dissent while pursuing an extreme foreign-policy agenda, Bush leaders have set spy against U.S. spy and deeply damaged America's intelligence capabilities.

"It's a catastrophe beyond belief. Going into Afghanistan was inevitable, and in my opinion the right thing to do. But everything since then has been a horrible mistake," Powers says. "The CIA is politicized to an extreme. It's under the control of the White House. Tenet is leaving in the middle of an unresolved political crisis - what really amounts to a constitutional crisis."

The bitterest dispute, though not the only one, is between the CIA and the Pentagon, whose own secret intelligence unit, the Office of Special Plans, aggressively promoted the war on Iraq. While departing CIA Director George Tenet played along with the Bush administration - a fact which Powers says reveals the urgent need for a truly independent intelligence chief - much of the agency is enraged at the Pentagon, which put intense pressure on it to produce reports tailored to the policy goals of the Bush White House. The simmering tensions between the Pentagon, with its troika of Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and Feith, and rank and file CIA personnel boiled over in July 2003, when the White House trashed the career of veteran CIA operative Valerie Plame by leaking her identity. The move was a crude retaliation against Plame's husband, former U.S. ambassador Joseph Wilson, who had exposed the Bush administration's specious claim that Saddam had sought "yellowcake" from Africa to build a nuclear bomb.

The struggle between the CIA and the Defense Department reached a bizarre climax a few weeks ago when Ahmed Chalabi's office was very publicly ransacked by officers working under the command of the CIA; the Iraqi exile leader was later accused of leaking vital information to Iran, among other allegations. The abrupt fall from grace of the man hand-picked by neoconservative policymakers to lead post-Saddam Iraq, says Powers, lays bare the brutal turf war between the two sides.

"It reveals an extraordinary level of bitter combat between the CIA and the Pentagon. It's astonishing that the CIA actually oversaw a team of people who broke into Chalabi's headquarters - which was paid for by the Pentagon - and ransacked the place. The CIA single-handedly destroyed him."

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 17 June 2004 18:08 (twenty years ago) link

I find myself in the bizarre position of rooting for the CIA.

It's strange...but it's what I'd be doing too.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 17 June 2004 18:16 (twenty years ago) link

...if you weren't doing the cha-cha slide?

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 17 June 2004 18:19 (twenty years ago) link

Rule of thumb -- we don't know everything yet (though my suspicions are strong) ergo I'm not just going to say 'rah CIA' unreservedly.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 17 June 2004 18:20 (twenty years ago) link

oh I know I just wanted to make a dumb joke based on your post.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 17 June 2004 18:21 (twenty years ago) link

eight years pass...

bump

how's life, Friday, 9 November 2012 20:33 (twelve years ago) link

the pic is legit funny, but it's strictly for your bros

it's a satrap, judy (Hunt3r), Thursday, 15 November 2012 23:31 (twelve years ago) link

also, how could armstrong not show up at this point

it's a satrap, judy (Hunt3r), Thursday, 15 November 2012 23:34 (twelve years ago) link

did he send the photo just to her? i kinda would be surprised if he didn't send it too like 20 people and/or post it to his facebook like "oh man this is hilarious, they all have to see this!"

some dude, Thursday, 15 November 2012 23:54 (twelve years ago) link

did he send the photo just to her?

he sent it to a bunch of people

pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Friday, 16 November 2012 00:05 (twelve years ago) link

Emily Mortimer will receive it in Season Four opener of The Newsroom.

cruel silver of hope (Eazy), Friday, 16 November 2012 00:15 (twelve years ago) link

lol

some dude, Friday, 16 November 2012 00:17 (twelve years ago) link

Where's Waldo?

Raymond Cummings, Friday, 16 November 2012 00:36 (twelve years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/S3CKD.jpg

Swole Miss (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Friday, 16 November 2012 19:42 (twelve years ago) link

lol wut

goole, Friday, 16 November 2012 19:45 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.foxnews.com/

Swole Miss (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Friday, 16 November 2012 19:46 (twelve years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUNDh1MD33M

Gorge, Friday, 16 November 2012 20:13 (twelve years ago) link

Some fun stuff:

http://www.tampabay.com/news/military/jill-and-scott-kelley-cultivated-politicians-as-well-as-generals/1261848

Also this week, the Daily Telegraph of London, citing an unnamed Republican source, said Khawam once dated former Gov. Charlie Crist.

Reached by phone, Crist said: "Consider the source."

Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 November 2012 22:37 (twelve years ago) link

lol I <3 Crist

Johnny Fever, Friday, 16 November 2012 22:39 (twelve years ago) link

non denial denial

lag∞n, Friday, 16 November 2012 22:40 (twelve years ago) link

Ha you know this is totally gonna be a L&O SVU episode or Trapped in the Closet chapter

Raymond Cummings, Friday, 16 November 2012 23:07 (twelve years ago) link

At least three Lifetime TV movies from this

the max in the high castle (kingfish), Friday, 16 November 2012 23:30 (twelve years ago) link

And five porn films.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 November 2012 23:32 (twelve years ago) link

One of which will be ALL IN-TERCOURSE.

ella fingerblast hurls forever (suzy), Friday, 16 November 2012 23:35 (twelve years ago) link

Ha you know this is totally gonna be a L&O SVU episode or Trapped in the Closet chapter

It's too much even for SVU writers

tokyo rosemary, Saturday, 17 November 2012 04:10 (twelve years ago) link

High definition video cameras allow for unlimited editorial control of reality

Milton Parker, Saturday, 17 November 2012 22:25 (twelve years ago) link

I just noticed the other other woman's name was Jill Kelley

that's the way to choke a jiving spirit (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 18 November 2012 23:29 (twelve years ago) link

I missed this weird tidbit. Last week her driver's license was found in Rock Creek park.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/crime-scene/post/paula-broadwells-drivers-license-found-in-area-park/2012/11/13/62d4f264-2de7-11e2-beb2-4b4cf5087636_blog.html

Judah Ben Ghazi (how's life), Tuesday, 20 November 2012 14:24 (twelve years ago) link

We were on it

mh, Tuesday, 20 November 2012 14:29 (twelve years ago) link

oh shit, I should have tried misspelling "driver's license" when I control-f'd it. My bad.

Judah Ben Ghazi (how's life), Tuesday, 20 November 2012 14:31 (twelve years ago) link

It's still a weird tidbit, tho

the max in the high castle (kingfish), Tuesday, 20 November 2012 15:25 (twelve years ago) link

it definitely feels like a chekhov's gun that will come up later in the story's twist ending

some dude, Tuesday, 20 November 2012 15:38 (twelve years ago) link

i recall rock creek park in fall
how u tore ur dress, with petraeus

╔囧╗╔囧╝╚囧╝╚囧╗╔囧╗ (am0n), Tuesday, 20 November 2012 15:45 (twelve years ago) link

Doing it in the park
Doing it after dark, oh, yeah
Rock Creek Park, oh, yeah
Rock Creek Park

wk, Tuesday, 20 November 2012 17:26 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...

I can't muster the proper revulsion because it's been ever thus for the Obama administration's counterterrorism policies since 2008. Better to channel energy into hounding my Democratic legislators into saving Social Security and Medicare from cuts.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 January 2013 22:10 (twelve years ago) link

man what happened to the sexy revelations

Matt Armstrong, Monday, 7 January 2013 22:11 (twelve years ago) link

and of course Brennan is the "uncontroversial" pick

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 January 2013 22:11 (twelve years ago) link

Don't forget to link to Glenn Greenwald's pro-Hagel column, Morbius.

clemenza, Monday, 7 January 2013 23:18 (twelve years ago) link

dunno if it's pro-Hagel so much as an expression of befuddlement over the criticism

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 January 2013 23:23 (twelve years ago) link

It seemed pretty sympathetic, although I read it quickly; he does support the nomination, though.

clemenza, Monday, 7 January 2013 23:29 (twelve years ago) link

Morbs is not doing politics here in '13 aside from the odd link offered w/out comment.

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 01:45 (twelve years ago) link

;_;

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 03:15 (twelve years ago) link

five months pass...

Can't find the link but thought I read on the Digby blog that some folks are accusing Petraeus of fingering General Cartwright as the source of the leak on the cyber-attack against Iran's nuclear program.

curmudgeon, Friday, 5 July 2013 15:07 (eleven years ago) link

"Fingering"? I wish people would be more discreet in reporting these things.

Treeship, Friday, 5 July 2013 15:13 (eleven years ago) link

i've read that also, have been somewhat surprised that story hasn't been bigger news though maybe i haven't been paying attention (very possible, have been swamped w/ work). skeptical also that 'gig at cuny' represents a move 'up' from director of the cia and four star general. was ike being promoted when he went from the army to columbia and then demoted when he went from columbia to the white house? anyhow schools throwing money at a non-academic big name to drop by and lend some prestige or more accurately celebrity to their school isn't anything new though it's certainly ridiculous and esp so now w/ austerity. i guess anyone shocked and outraged by this should thank god college athletics aren't a big deal in the northeast.

balls, Friday, 5 July 2013 16:15 (eleven years ago) link

two years pass...

I watched part of The Spymasters last night (got a free 30-day showtime subscription just to watch it!) and in spite of visually being a pallid grey rainbow of old white men, it's enlightening to see just how dramatically the landscape has changed. Esp on the same day a leading Republican presidential candidate suggests that we institutionalize bigotry toward anyone who believes in Islam. This place is a mess!

La Lechuza (La Lechera), Tuesday, 8 December 2015 16:52 (nine years ago) link

I want to see that. It looks pretty provocative.

Mordy, Tuesday, 8 December 2015 16:58 (nine years ago) link

Didn't see it but heard the directors on Fresh Air, pretty fascinating, would watch.

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Tuesday, 8 December 2015 17:01 (nine years ago) link

It's not a great doc by filmmaking standards (they are not Errol Morris, there is too much dramatic music) but they ask tough questions and it's enlightening to see the faces of Tenet, Petraeus, Cofer Black (remember him?) etc as they answer the questions.

La Lechuza (La Lechera), Tuesday, 8 December 2015 17:02 (nine years ago) link

Cofer Black was either really sweaty or had salty tear marks visible on his right cheek. Intense!

La Lechuza (La Lechera), Tuesday, 8 December 2015 17:08 (nine years ago) link

five years pass...

With the major caveat that I know nothing of the author (a Substack lefty foreign policy guy with a small following):

The Moral Guidance Department, a branch of the Yemeni Armed Forces of the revolutionary Houthi government of Yemen published last week a number of secret documents and phone calls from the former regime of longtime president Ali Abdullah Saleh.

Two phone calls between former president Saleh and the former director of the CIA George Tenet were released. A Yemeni government official has confirmed to me that the calls took place in 2001.

In the calls, the former CIA director can be heard pressuring Saleh to release a detained individual involved in the bombing attacks on USS Cole in October of 2000, which left 17 dead and 37 injured.

In the call, Tenet is asked by Saleh’s translator about the name of the individual in question.

“I don’t want to give his name over the phone,” Tenet tells him.

Saleh notes that the FBI team tasked with the USS Cole investigation had already arrived in Sana’a, and asks Tenet if the FBI personnel could meet with him to discuss the matter. Tenet refuses, saying “this is my person, this is my problem, this is my issue... The man must be released.”

“I’ve talked to everybody in my government; I told them that I was going to make this call,” Tenet says.

(...)

Major General Abdul Qadir al-Shami, the deputy-head of the Yemeni Security and Intelligence Service, confirmed to Houthi media that the person in question was dual American-Yemeni citizen imam Anwar Al-Awlaki, a top leader of al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), who was killed in Yemen in 2011 by a CIA drone strike.

https://realalexrubi.substack.com/p/leaked-cia-pressured-yemen-to-release

intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Wednesday, 24 March 2021 12:50 (three years ago) link

It's not a great doc by filmmaking standards (they are not Errol Morris, there is too much dramatic music) but they ask tough questions and it's enlightening to see the faces of Tenet, Petraeus, Cofer Black (remember him?) etc as they answer the questions.

― La Lechuza (La Lechera), Tuesday, December 8, 2015 9:02 AM (five years ago)

I watched this a few months ago ... it was good in the ways you said. I think Leon's performance really showed that he sincerely ethically struggled while in the job, whereas a number of the other dudes just seemed super cold. ... which is probably required by the job, a certain degree of sociopathy.

sarahell, Wednesday, 24 March 2021 15:19 (three years ago) link


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