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Check out the pictures of the guy walking for capitalism.

― hamish, Sunday, 4 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Capitialism is wrong because it suggests a sense of competition . Everyone is trying to best their nieghbor.

― anthony, Sunday, 4 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

yet w/o it, no pokemon!!

"Also klassik UND dudd": K.Marx

― mark s, Sunday, 4 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

hm, i hardly think that capitalism = "Free trade, globalization, liberty, profit, free speech, technology, universal individual rights, intellectual and material prosperity, private property, rule of law, innovation, creativity, human dignity and happiness."

more like people getting beaten down, having their rights and freedom taken away from them to satisfy the whims of the few and a clampdown on creativity because creativity is very rarely profitable. capitalism, like, sucks. but i guess communism does too. i'm going back to bed.

― katie, Sunday, 4 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

But doesn't capitalism also in some way necessitate creativity (or at least creativity of a particular form - gimmickry)?

― jamesmichaelward, Sunday, 4 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Somewhere between classic and dud. It just is.

― james, Sunday, 4 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Somewhere in between classic and dud but closer to classic.

― Maria, Sunday, 4 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Ifyou consider ways of governing and running society to be experiments, most non-capitalist countries have proven taht capitalism is the desired way to go. People don't like socialism and communism, they revolt. I fear capitalism can only be surrendered in very small countries where its easy to manage things.

― Mike Hanle y, Sunday, 4 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

capitalism is mostly classic, but there are soooo many flavours, and some are dud. state capitalism = dud, monetarism = dud, markets rule all = dud.

people revolt against undemocratic politics, not socialist economics. democracy != capitalism

― Alan at home, Sunday, 4 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I R saying that any political/economic system can only be as good/bad as the people in it. I R thinking in theory you could run a capitalist economy directing large chunks of profit into helping less fortunate. But that R only theory so it probably not working anyway.

Marx = dud. he R just moaning, moaning, moaning all the bloody time!

― I R growing large fluffy beard, Sunday, 4 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"people revolt against undemocratic politics, not socialist economics. democracy != capitalism "

people don't revolt against undemocratic politics, or the US would be in turmoil. democracy = unrealistic for large countries, though its used "in theory" to keep people thinking they are in control of the government.

― Mike Hanle y, Sunday, 4 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Actually I was surprised at how little Marx moans.

Mark S identifies the main quandary: would we be prepared to give up Pokemon in the name of equality?

― Tim, Sunday, 4 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"pokemon -- the socialist utopia edition" :-) Your starters for 10, Rag'd'trowzr the philanthropic pokemon. it's good against greedy-type pokemon, it's favourite attack is Boss-Needle.

― Alan at home, Sunday, 4 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

In my opinion 'pure' capitalism is about as unlikely a dream as 'pure' communism. In so-called communist countries you end up with thinly disguised dictatorships, while in capitalist countries everything ultimately falls under the control of corporations. Both are reprehensible, and far more alike than extremists on both sides would like you to believe.

― Justyn Dillingham, Sunday, 4 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

they all seem to work in theory, capitalism is OK but what I really want is to be a RIOT GRRL and wear bovver boots. I think I would be unable to cope with anarchy though, since the fittest would survive and that ain't me

― Menelaus Darcy, Sunday, 4 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

If anti-capitalists were serious they'd have used 9/11 as their opportunity to mount a final offensive against the system. The fact they didn't means they must not be serious.

― dave q, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Unless of course, Dave, most anti-Capitalists are as capable of being sympathetic and sensitive as the usually-greedy mainstream and felt unable to *take advantage* of the terrorist actions? You rude fool to assume otherwise.

Capitalism, as dud as Religious fundamentalism and Nazism, but subtler.

― chris, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

911 wasn't an attack on capitalism. It was an attack on a building.

― Sterling Clover, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i'm a little surprised that ILEers responded to the obvious troll of the title of this thread instead of making fun of the link i posted. is the walk for capitalism for real? the NZ contacts are for real but i thought the site was just put there to make dozy right-winged libertarians look stupid - if it was it succeeded.

I think I would be unable to cope with anarchy though, since the fittest would survive and that ain't me

Menelaus, anarchism is about mutual aid, co-operation, diversity and the absence of oppresion, so of course you would survive. in fact you would prosper. on the other hand pure capitalism (which like communism/anarchism can never exist, but we are moving towards it) is about survival of the fittest through state-protected property rights.

― hamish, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Hamish, either it's a joke, or my hardcore lefty friends are in for a big surprise when they turn up to participate.

― Tim, Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

No, it's for real. I've been lurking on their mailing list, and they're planning these things all over the world.

― Kerry, Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

911 wasn't an attack on capitalism. It was an attack on a building.

Funded, no less, by a capitalist.

Unless you think the Mossad did it, in what case I kick you in the teeth.

On the other hand, I'm very concerned about the decline in the percentage increase of top-level executive compensation, post-9/11. How will we ever find talented leaders for our important biznesses.

― Benjamin, Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Benjamin, if you're going to kick someone in the teeth for their opinion - however misguided - in what way to you stand for freedom and democracy?

― chris, Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

check out this poem i found on the walk for capitalism page. there is no way this shit can be for real. Our Business
by Miles Buckeridge

McDonald's burgers -- so tasty;
and the service, so hasty;
would the anarchists provide,
such food down your throat to glide?

Nike shoes so fine,
air cushions so divine.
The destroyers of capitalism,
in basketball would make a cataclysm.

Microsoft make our computers run,
but may be torn apart by selfish scum.
Lazy protestors, civilisation destroy;
to steal from those who work is their ploy.

Shell fuel our cars, extracting oil --
they ask no thanks for their toil.
"Smash the state" they say,
when really they just don't want to pay.

No cleverer eggheads than Monsanto --
who else could re-engineer the tomato?
Enviro-nazis complain of a terminator --
just the whine of the intellectual masturbator.

Companies all, giving us what we need.
Collectivists from reason have fleed.
Whose business to stop the destroyers' mess?
I tell you friend, it's our business!

© Miles Buckeridge 2001

Acknowledgements
McDonald's is a trademark of McDonald's Corporation.
Nike is a trademark of Nike, Inc.
Microsoft is a trademark of Microsoft Corporation
Shell is a trademark of the Royal Dutch/Shell Group and associated companies.
Monsanto is a trademark of the Monsanto Company.

― hamish, Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

how does he rhyme mess with business?

― hamish, Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

No, these people are dead serious, I swear. You should subscribe to the mailing list, it's a hoot. People from all over the world are walking...dozens of them. Why they're not emphasizing driving is beyond me, but... Apparently this Prodos guy is a rabid Randian of some notoriety on the 'net.

― Kerry, Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Hee hee, I'm going to sign my mum up. Bet they'll be wearing those evil tight Reeboks beloved of American tourists in London.

A friend came up with the following witticism, but claimed no originality, so: 'if you are not some kind of hippie at 22 you have no soul. If you are not a capitalist at 40 you have no brain...'

― suzy, Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Ducky: espouse freedom and democracy? You put words into my mouth. In any case, to advocate certain positions that presuppose a particularly demented stance, such as that the Mossad knocked down the WTC because no Jews were killed and because Israeli film cameras were already set up to record the events of Sept. 11, is, in essence, so provocative as to merit no dialogue. If you're trying to make a more nuanced point, then feel free to make it, but I'm reacting viscerally to posturing that has no content other than to enrage. Feel free to ring up people who spread the stories that Jews, and not incredibly scary fascists cloaked in Islam and funded by great wealth, destroyed the WTC and set the record straight. To hear faux lefties mumble about what a great blow was struck against capitalism, when really just a bunch of office drones and busboys were murdered in the most gory way turns the stomach a bit.

None of this is to endorse the moronic approach the Bush administration has taken with its self-proclaimed crusade, "if you're not for us you're against us," "wanted dead or alive," and so on. But if you need a straw man to shout down, well, here I am. Take this thread and run.

― Benjamin, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Benjamin, don't be such a putz. I can't remember anyone claiming Mossad scotched the WTC, at least not here. And to just waft in here out of thin air to call people faux lefties is bang out of order.

― suzy, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"A friend came up with the following witticism, but claimed no originality, so: 'if you are not some kind of hippie at 22 you have no soul. If you are not a capitalist at 40 you have no brain...' "

I've seen this one in various incarnations: liberal / conservative, Democrat / Republican (!?). My version is more like: "if you are not a hippie at 22, you have no money. And if you are not a capitalist at 40, you still have no money."

― Kerry, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

red = pinko, blue = tory, green = er green, brown = fascist, black = anarcho-crusty, grey = militant OAP, so WHAT IS YELLOW?

― mark s, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

LibDem? COLDPLAY?

― RickyT, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

monster raving loony?

― chris, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Sorry, but knowing a few people who went down in the buildings, none of whom could have been considered agents of capital, tends to make me terribly annoyed with people who seek to argue that this is a blow to capitalism. It's pure posturing, leftist in name only, and who should be afraid to call it such.

The Mossad reference, clearly, was a knock on people who seek to assign some agency to groups other than Islamicist fascists.

― Benjamin, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Benjamin, you putz, that's exactly what I said before you entertained the idea of kicking my teeth in. That this was an attack on a building, not on capitalism. Did I mention you were a hypersensitive putz yet?

― Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Are you writing under two names? Because that's the only way I can see that you would have thought I was directing my remarks to you. But I suppose I'm the hypersensitive one.

― Benjamin, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Ah I see. You were responding to dave "provocative" q. Well, there's your mistake right there.

― Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

nineteen years pass...

capitalism DOES breed innovation pic.twitter.com/M6tUAX3DPH
— insane in the femmebrain (@hottrashboy) December 4, 2020

― onlyfans.com/hunterb (milo z), Friday, 4 December 2020 05:58 (four years ago)

man ILX sure loved capitalism in November of 2001

― Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Friday, 4 December 2020 06:35 (four years ago)

a little love and a lot of resignation. main vibe I get is this:

https://i1.wp.com/www.extrageographic.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/thatcher_halftone_900.jpg

― Left, Friday, 4 December 2020 12:04 (four years ago)

i woke up in the middle of the night thinking about capitalism, i must really love it

― superdeep borehole (harbl), Friday, 4 December 2020 12:46 (four years ago)

Brand twitter is so creepy it crosses over to the land of cringe and farce—I can hardly look at it. It’s like the monsters in 80s slasher movies, like chucky or whatever.

― treeship., Friday, 4 December 2020 14:48 (four years ago)

That is, the surface level experience is one of embarrassment. But there is still a substrate of horror. Steak umm’s bless would be at home in a nightmare or in hell.

― treeship., Friday, 4 December 2020 14:50 (four years ago)

if our leaders and elites gave a scintilla of a shit about broadly ‘saving capitalism’ they’d be clamoring for updated New Dealism. like that should be the absolute baseline for keeping things whirring along. they’d still be the most unbelievably rich and pampered people the world has ever known, and the unwashed masses could be more or less mollified.

that they can’t even abide such marginal adjustments suggests they are happy racing headlong into a sort of Robocop hellscape. which is certainly one version of capitalism, but pretty much openly admitting it’s Dud.

― i am become boomer, destroyer of entitlements (will), Friday, 4 December 2020 15:14 (four years ago)

they’re not scared enough. their predecessors feared for their lives in the 30s

― Left, Friday, 4 December 2020 15:46 (four years ago)

o t m

― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 4 December 2020 15:49 (four years ago)

there's a map of welfare capitalism arising from that fear in the 20th C and now receding like fuck as the fear goes away

― Uptown Top Scamping (Noodle Vague), Friday, 4 December 2020 15:50 (four years ago)

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