Let's face it, girls have it easy part two (without the pics)

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Umm, but doesn't the media just attract more females anyway?
-- mark grout (mark.grou...) (webmail), June 10th, 2004. (link)

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:27 (twenty-one years ago)

without the pics eh? we'll see...

Time to grow up and just accept now that the only people who get to hold clipboards and pretend they're doing something genuinely worthwhile in TVland will only ever be pretty females or guys who know the producer via a friend, and get on with your life.

(was my latest response to previous thread)

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:28 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.realitytvworld.com/images/heads/59.jpg

― HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:28 (twenty-one years ago)

they need some antihistamines i think

― HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:29 (twenty-one years ago)

why anyone would want to work in the media I don't know

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:29 (twenty-one years ago)

The idea of being 'creative' was what appealed to me. OK laugh now.

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Jon I hear Lionel's daughter likes the oxycontin.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I find nepotism in the media frustrating but understandable to an extent. I think this is just as big an issue as 'pretty girls swanning right in' or whatever. And the media is not the only industry in which such practices are, um, practised.

There are a lot of very creative (and technically astute and competent) people working in the media. That new Hewlett-Packard advert is brilliant.

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:31 (twenty-one years ago)

THE OC?

― HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I think this is complete bollox -- maybe some PYTs end up as runners, but in general the media is far from being female-dominated. Total nonce-sense. It is nepotistc, yes -- but then so is finance.

― Enrique (Enrique), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Still if you think girls have it easy, you are a complete idiot. Even if this 'getting a cushy job by fluttering their breasts' idea holds weight in this instance, there's all kinds of other shit they have to deal with that gives me nightmares just to think about.

― quasi-feminist bwaha stevem (blueski), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:35 (twenty-one years ago)

stevem otmfm

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, Stevenm has a good point and Mark does too. I can only comment from experience, to which extent I have found the film/ television industry to be utterly sexist beyond what would be deemed acceptable anywhere else. There are, believe it or not, a lot of qualified and talented young men (of which I consider myself one - yes, blah blah) but there chance of entering into a full time job in these industries is not high because of such sexism.

I have encountered sexism in publishing too. A local paper, in fact, offers a paid traineeship every year. When I graduated I applied for it and knew the girl who obtained it the year before. She had no qualifications nor experience but recieved it. I asked her how I should go about impressing them and she told me, quite openly, "you don't have a chance because they like to employ young girls". I applied for this scheme two years running and the only people that got it were *sigh* young girls.

This is not a lone sample. I could give a lot more.

― C-Man (C-Man), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:36 (twenty-one years ago)

steve that is some crazy spyware you've got right there

― pete b. (pete b.), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:37 (twenty-one years ago)

hahahaha amazing spyware!

― HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:38 (twenty-one years ago)

ILX female massive to thread to tell all us white dudes off, please.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:38 (twenty-one years ago)

i know, i haven't figured out how to get rid of it yet despite trying numerous programs. i am to post the log that HijackThis provides onto a spyware forum and await clear instructions.

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmm. again, media /reporting.. The phrase 'use 'em as bait' springs to mind..

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

C-man is talking out of arse SHOCK about publishing too.

― Enrique (Enrique), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.eblox.com/lechner/honky.jpg

SPOT HSTENCIL IN THIS PICTURE

― HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Well they can tell me off if they want, I'm basing this on four years now of personal experience. Unless you think I'm making it all up, which is indeed your entitlement

― C-Man (C-Man), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:40 (twenty-one years ago)

C-Mang, as we've pointed out about 26 times before on ILE, the sexism in the industry you are talking about goes both ways. Why do you persist with this tired reverse-sexism stance as if it's radical thinking or at all surprising?

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:40 (twenty-one years ago)

ILX female massive to thread to tell all us white dudes off, please.

I think they've had enough and they're just ignoring us, being smart like that.

― Huk-El (Horace Mann), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Enrique, to be fair I was commenting on one such experience in publishing. I'm not as experienced with this as I am with film and TV.

― C-Man (C-Man), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:41 (twenty-one years ago)

calum find yrself an overbearingly gay boss who employs people for all the wrong reasons, go to the interview in a thong and you, too, can be sexually harrassed in the workplace. it's that easy.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:41 (twenty-one years ago)

why the 'white'?

― pc dimbleby stevem (blueski), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Seriously, though, the perception at 'local rag' level is that if you send a girl to interview someone, the subject will open up more.

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Ity's just that publishers tend not to employ verbally abusive sexists with strong tendencies towards making threats of violence under pseudonyms and posting pr0nographic material on talkboards...

― Enrique (Enrique), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:42 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.eblox.com/lechner/cobrahoney.jpg

― HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Right, I give up. Carry on without my input and in your own little world where women are all victims of sexism. Cheers. I tried. Obviously you've a lot more experience of this than me.

― C-Man (C-Man), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:43 (twenty-one years ago)

and if you want an example of rife 5exism towards women in TV industry then go to digitalspy and read about what happened when the Big Brother feed was misdirected the other day.

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:43 (twenty-one years ago)

enrq is right.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Funnily enough, my first job interview was a similar local rag trainee thing. Didn't get it, thought no more of it...

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:43 (twenty-one years ago)

http://yuks.com/v1i12/img72.jpg

― HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Christ, just imaine C-Man talking about his interests/viewpoints in an interview...

― de, Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Enrique, are you in some way stalking me?

― C-Man (C-Man), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, I'm finished too. laters.

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:45 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.vetmed.ufl.edu/lacs/Richey/Simple/pg19-27%20fig2.GIF

― HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:46 (twenty-one years ago)

http://users.1st.net/mephisto/kill%20whitey.jpg

― HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Is this going to turn into a "bash C-Man" (who is, for all intents and purposes, a fictional character) or a bash ME as a person (whom none of you actually know).

― C-Man (C-Man), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I've been working in TV and film on and off since I was 17. I have NEVER been hired by or had a line manager who was a man.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:46 (twenty-one years ago)

why the "white" = Dan is too smart to post in this stupid-ass thread.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)

OH NO C-MAN I AM SO SORRY FOR YOU

http://www.brodzik.com/paintings/whitey.jpg

― HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.realmsoftorment.net/Whitey.jpg

― HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)

that'll teach you to TRY IT mark. a shame, as ever, that nothing new and of worth was learned today.

(x-post)

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, now the stalker has started with the pics again I'm gone. Could have been interesting.

― C-Man (C-Man), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)

"Stalker"

― HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)

"interesting"

― HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I get low sales when it's me singing, high sales when I write for a girl. This is probably because girls are prettier.

― Momus (Momus), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:48 (twenty-one years ago)

no, it couldn't have been interesting.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:48 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.premierinc.com/all/advocacy/images/bushfam.jpg

― HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:49 (twenty-one years ago)

sometimes threads started by c-mang have interesting points made on them. this is FACT people - not opinion!

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:49 (twenty-one years ago)

What's going on here? I know C-Man is the one everyone dislikes but for some reason can't leave alone, but who is the picture guy?

I ask out of innocence.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Some of it was.... ?

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:49 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.areaofdesign.com/americanicons/rockwell/005.jpg

― HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)

doesn't mean he shouldn't be put in stocks and pelted with rotting veg tho

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, people dislike him too, G, but there's a lesser of two evils thing going on.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Momus looks good in this pic, with a good-lookin' female:

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.decodog.com/inven/nr/nr25435a.jpg
http://www.russellsformen.com/imagesrsp02/zi-2004.jpg

― HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)

people who dislike Jon = mentalists

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:51 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.decodog.com/inven/nr/nr25437.jpg

― HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:51 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.gaseenterprise.com/07194%20Coca%20Cola%20Norman%20Rockwell.jpg

― HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:53 (twenty-one years ago)

jon pics vs c-mang posts

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Momus looks good in this pic, with a good-lookin' female

She... is... a... pretty... pony.

― Momus (Momus), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Cheers. Some wine tonight I think.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:57 (twenty-one years ago)

This is not a lone sample. I could give a lot more.

This is hardly scientific research or evidence, is it? You went for a job, and the girl who got it says, 'They only employ girls', and then for the next two years they offer the traineeship to girls. Ummm, she may not have had the same qualifications or experience as you, but even a cursory read of your contributions in the past show you to be quite intellectuallly deficient, and also socially too. So obviously you blame your lack of a traineeship on perceived (paranoid) sexism, as opposed to facing up to the fact that she might have seemed a better candidate than you.

= pretty much every 'ism' EXPLAINED

― stevie (stevie), Thursday, 10 June 2004 15:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Girls made me cry at school, now I hate them.

― Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Thursday, 10 June 2004 15:02 (twenty-one years ago)

(I'd add its a bit like hating d*rkies as they take all the jobs, but it's way too obv)

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 10 June 2004 15:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Edingurgh FAP = kidnap Calum, tattoo "It's all my fault" on his forehead, watch as he gets some kind of perspective in his life.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 10 June 2004 15:09 (twenty-one years ago)

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 10 June 2004 15:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Calum, I dunno why you asked if I was stalking you. The pics (which I can't see on the piece of shit of a computer) were posted by Jon Williams.

― Enrique (Enrique), Thursday, 10 June 2004 18:57 (twenty-one years ago)

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