Conservatives You Like

"A lot of so-called conservatives today don't know what the word means," he told the Los Angeles Times in a 1994 interview. "They think I've turned liberal because I believe a woman has a right to an abortion. That's a decision that's up to the pregnant woman, not up to the pope or some do-gooders or the religious right. It's not a conservative issue at all."

During the 1990s, Mr. Goldwater spoke out in favor of allowing gays to serve in the military, and he worked in Phoenix to end job discrimination against gays. In 1994, he became honorary chairman of a drive to pass a federal law preventing job discrimination against gays.

and Johnny Ramone. =(

I used to repect Colin Powell. If he did the right thing a few months ago, we might not be mired in the mess we are in now. He needed to be loyal to the people, not George Bush and since he went along with this farce, he is just as guilty.

In 1982, he ran for governor a fourth time. In a watershed moment, he admitted that he had been wrong about "race" all along. He was elected by a coalition represented by blacks, organized labor and forces seeking to advance public education. In that race, he carried all 10 of the state's counties with a majority black population, nine of them by a better than two-to-one margin. He retired four years later, an increasingly remote and physically tormented man.

"We thought [segregation] was in the best interests of all concerned. We were mistaken," he told a black group in 1982. "The Old South is gone," but "the New South is still opposed to government regulation of our lives."

also: olympia snowe, lincoln chafee, dick lugar

i tend to prefer senate republicans to their rabid, and completely fucking insane house counterparts.

John Major coz he likes cricket.

George Wallace committed so many egregious sins that his later "conversion" don't count for shit.

GEORGE SCHULTZ
Former U.S. Secretary of State

"The law that prohibits drugs, is an emergency law that, despite having being enforced for three quarters of a century, has not been able to eliminate neither the abuse of substances nor their perverse effects. I believe that today Parliaments should reintegrate policies on drugs in the democratic process legalizing them in order to control them and prevent their unlucky consequences."

He's a bold man, our Nickalicious.

"How about now?" "No." "How about now?" "No." "How about now?" "No." "How about now?" "No." "How about now?" "No." ...

(Stolen from Fark.

Franco turned out to be a "benevolent dictator"! (as long as you weren't a pinko.)

xpost. O'Rourke generally thirded.

Amen to that. Nothing wrong with dissent - what I can't stand is shrill, overheated, purely ad hominem rhetoric from EITHER side of the fence.

I'd start a "Liberals You Like" thread but I can hardly think of any to start with. Oh wait, I do like Jimmy Carter.

that is about 180 degrees away from the Vince Bugliosi I had dinner with. Care to elaborate?

or whatever that is in greek

yeah larison is pretty cool

A typically lucid pot.

er, post

speaking of jesus-y stuff, k-lo is poppin off on twitter using the #goodfriday tag

i tend to prefer senate republicans to their rabid, and completely fucking insane house counterparts.

― bill stevens (bscrubbins), Wednesday, June 16, 2004 10:42 AM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

2004, huh?

second post on the thread:

"The obvious: John McCain"...

god it does seem like forever ago when he was an obvious conservative to like. what a difference six years makes!

i didnt know that larison had converted!

yah he's one of the few I can read these days

Long before I began moving towards Orthodoxy, I was being introduced to an Orthodox view of the world through Dostoevsky and through my eclectic religious reading, which included the translation of The Philokalia, which I only barely comprehended when I first encountered it. It wasn’t until that I started grounding my understanding of the faith in its historical context when I was in college that I began to appreciate what I was discovering. That was what started me on the path to studying Byzantine history at the same time. It also deepened my interest in the history of the Orthodox Church and the Church’s teachings, which eventually led to my baptism in 2003. In fact, it was originally a very academic inquiry into the history of the 14th-century Hesychastic controversy in Byzantium that started me on my academic interest in both Byzantine theology and history, which would only later lead me to understand how insufficient an academic and intellectual approach to Orthodoxy was.

how can you not love this guy

Kurt Russel is libertarian, but it's kind of impossible to dislike that dude.

bruce willis is a republican too, got much love for bruce willis.

Kurt Russell was a busy child/young adult actor. He never had time to let his politics evolve, so as an old man he just chose to be a libertarian because it requires the least amount of thought.

Long before I began moving towards Orthodoxy, I was being introduced to an Orthodox view of the world through Dostoevsky and through my eclectic religious reading

hmmm ... so was it Dostoyevsky's hatred of all things non-Russian in general, or Dostoyevsky's anti-Semitism in particular, that so warmed Larison's cold reactionary heart?!?

You cynic.

is there a single writer/thinker in the US right now that is non-libertarian right-wing and is not just terrible?

no

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Not sure if Larison counts as libertarian exactly but, no, I don't think he's terrible, not in the least. He's a good bullshit detector. Is Garry Wills still a conservative?

idk where wills stands on obama but he's certainly not in lockstep with political conservatives on the catholic church

"All the Conservatives I Like Are Those That Are Dead" - Felt

wills does not seem (modern american politically) conservative at all in the nyrb

i like larison, probably because i've only seen him call bullshit rather than say what he really wants

Hollywood Republican dudes fall under two categories 1) Action Stars or Tough Guys (i.e. The cast of "The Expendables") 2) former child stars or actors who grew up in Hollywood, with family in the business, who are, for whatever reason, reacting against growing up in an atmosphere of limousine liberalism.

Kurt Russell is both. Robert Downey Jr. is the latter but as he's made more action movies his heart has probably hardened against the poor and downtrodden ("Iron Man")

according to RDJ it's his prison stint that made him a Republican

“I have a really interesting political point of view, and it’s not always something I say too loud at dinner tables here, but you can’t go from a $2,000-a-night suite at La Mirage to a penitentiary and really understand it and come out a liberal. You can’t. I wouldn’t wish that experience on anyone else, but it was very, very, very educational for me and has informed my proclivities and politics ever since.”

which is a really interesting quote - I can't tell if he's referring to being in prison, or the transition from playboy-to-convict itself that "enlightened" him...? what is there to "understand" about that particular journey that renders conservatism inevitable?

It's easy, Shakes. Prison made him loathe anal sex.

lol

I wonder how he feels about people who were radicalized by being in prison

daniel larison's pretty smart except when he's not:

The defeat of the Confederacy, though the Confederate political experiment does not exhaust the richness of Southern culture and identity, was a defining moment when the United States took its steps towards the abyss of the monstrous centralised state, rootless society and decadent culture that we have today. In sum, the Confederacy represented much of the Old America that was swept away, and with it went everything meaningful about the constitutional republican system, and the degeneration of that system in the next hundred years was the logical and ultimately unstoppable result of Lincoln’s victory. All of this is in recognition that we are beholden to our ancestors for who we are, and we honour and remember their struggles and accomplishments not only because they can be established as reasonable, good and true but because they are the struggles and accomplishments of our people, who have made this land ours and sanctified it with their blood in defense against the wanton aggression of a barbarous tyranny.

i haven't seen expendables, but would like to see one with kelsey grammar, dwight schultz, norm mcdonald, and adam sandler.

billy madison or punch drunk love sandler only though.

did larison really say 'honour' and 'centralised'

smdh

btw that is also some fucked up shit

Larison and Edmund Wilson aren't so far apart.

American "liberals you like" would be about as tough for me.

I just reviewed a box o' Robert Downey Sr films, and w/ those budgets he wasn't exactly a "limousine" archetype for Jr to rebel against.

TS: The Expendables v.s. this 1994 Kelsey Grammar-hosted episode of SNL (Sandler, Spade, Norm, Lovitz, Jay Mohr)

xpost -- Morbs, even bigger axe to grind if it was his friend's parents who were "socially liberal, financially conservative"

good lord

http://larison.org/2005/03/01/the-hegemonists-thomas-woods-and-the-league-of-the-south

American "liberals you like" would be about as tough for me.

at least you're willing to have beers with us

I didn't know you had a column! Talking about pols mostly, not sure I read any actual libs anymore... Krugman, I guess.

i don't know whether Matt Taibbi qualifies as a liberal, or he only appears that way b/c he hates Goldman Sachs.

surely downey jr is partly rebelling against the countercultural radicalism of his dad?

i'd say matt taibbi is to the left of a liberal, where he should be.

I like listening to Michael Savage, he has a pleasant voice and at least makes time for real creeps like pedophiles and anti-Semites.

whoa that larison post is grim. i knew he was an old right kind of guy but damn.

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Whiney?

you like that site?

or do you "like" it

I just discovered the Caiden Cowger program

rootless society

??? The whole history of non-natives in N. America is largely rootless.