GMail: The Backlash?

point 4 = the adverts seem pretty unobtrusive to me and certainly less annoying than the banners and pop-ups that are plastered all over other webmail sites. the example they quote is pretty sensationalist.

i've been following the gmail hype and backlash, and as far as i can tell all the privacy concerns came about because of some ambiguous wording in google's initial press release. here is google's side of things, in nice plain english: http://gmail.google.com/gmail/help/more.html

The people who put together that Gmail Is Too Creepy site are also behind other anti-Google sites which are equally absurd.

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some friends and I tried sending the most offensive stuff we could to each other and learned that you can shut off ads in your gmail if you're willing to litter your emails with enough foul shit

You can turn off the ads by clicking on 'basic html' at the bottom of the page and then bookmarking that.

Or am I just too old? I hate the damn thing and the whole concept of "conversations." Which you can't turn off btw and have it treat e-mails like e-mails. Had an easier time configuring Sendmail and my own mail server than wrestling with this.

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one time I was drunk on the internet and subscribed to david icke's newsletter. doors are now open.

some friends and I tried sending the most offensive stuff we could to each other and learned that you can shut off ads in your gmail if you're willing to litter your emails with enough foul shit

wait, what?

also, i can't imagine doing without gmail 'conversations' these days. whenever i look at someone else's email that doesn't have that it's just. urgh.

Yeah, old-style email seems like parchment and quills to me.

Well get off my lawn.

Have been sent over to gmail at work, and happy to experience it at last. Seems good in some ways.

One thing really puzzling me about it, though. It used to be described as infinite storage, massive storage or whatever. That was originally a big selling point for gmail, as I recall. But I have an account with 187 emails in it, mostly not with attachments, and that's already taking 2% of the space. If I import more emails from anywhere else - it's going to be full in no time.

What does anyone do about this? Buy more space? Is that worth it?

Hmm, I've been using it for about six years now, hardly ever delete anything and I'm only at about 9%.

That's interesting.

The reason that this account I mention is already at 2% is that I imported the inboxes (though not the hundreds of other saved messages) from two other email accounts. Could it be that they take up more space cos they're from another system? ... Maybe, but I wouldn't have guessed it.

I don't know, I've never imported anything from an outside account into Gmail.

I've been using it for seven years, sending and receiving dozens of emails a day, and I'm only at 42%. I think you'll be okay.

Um, 2% is nothing. You wont fill it up, trust me. Unless every single email you have has a 10mb attachment (gmail wont accept emails with files larger than that attached anyway) and even then - you wont fill it up.

Ive had my Gmail account since 2004. I am often sent mp3, pics, I get a TON of spam, I never delete anything, and I'm only at 25%.

i'm pretty sure they scale up and increase the storage all the time too.

I use google docs too - its like 5$ for 20gb for a year - AND you can upload files up to a gig = so you know, home movies

my gmail has gone above a gig! i never even noticed

I am now more content about the storage issue.

I now have another, different Gmail issue.

At work my old email is being migrated to a Gmail account. There is a LOT of this mail. Too much, I admit.

OK. When the mail arrives in my Gmail account, I can Search mail by a name for instance, delete some, and and then assign what I want to a folder (label?), eg named after that person, right?

No, apparently not. Within Search Mail, the only command that appears is 'Move to Inbox'. But this mail is already in the Inbox - I'm trying to move it out of the Inbox!

Any insight welcome.

are you using basic or enhanced version

I assume it's Basic.

My work Gmail is a modified version for my employer.

But I have another free (basic?) Gmail account that does the same thing.

gmail does attachments up to 25MB

Conrad, would like your view on the question about Searching then moving stuff that has been found.

I don't have cause to do any of this searching then moving stuff that has been found but will take a swatch

can't you select stuff that has been found and then "label" it and "archive" it? is that not essentially the same thing as putting it in a folder?

I just check mark the box by the mail message and click the move to button and move to what folder I want

'Label' leaves it in the Inbox. What I want, is to move it.

Maybe 'Archive' would do it!? Maybe that's the answer?!

one doesn't have that option with search results

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"archive" would do it

alternately try "Filter messages like these" from the "More actions" dropdown

I don't think that that moves them, from the Inbox. I did try it.

I think I have found a possible way:

Search
Check (everything? or only certain things maybe - but that makes it a lot slower)
Move to Inbox
go to Inbox - you find those things ticked
Click Move to ... folder
the ticked things move.

Might work but seems a bit slower / more counter-intuitive than I expected from Google.

... no, I don't know if that does work after all.

Move only works for the page of mails you're on.
So if you're trying to move stuff within 100s / 1000s of mails, no good.

Will try Archive again.

selecting the emails and labelling them and archiving them will remove them from the inbox

I think, to do what you're trying to do, you need to filter so that you can apply a new label to the messages, then archive so they get taken out of the inbox. The whole point of Google mail though is that you do your partitioning via searching so you never actually need to move anything out of the inbox.

pinefox, there is no such thing as a folder.

http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=118708

you can label messages but they appear with those labels either in the inbox or in the archives (to be found by searching).

xpost: ... surprised by your last claim -- you mean it's OK to have an Inbox with 1000s of mails?

Don't think I want that - though I have had it for years now!

I would have thought that 'partitioning' was via labels?

Think Conrad's statement, above, is correct, have just tried it.

I currently have 10,000+ emails in my inbox; whenever I want a particular email, I search for a keyword. I could be more organized and label everything; then, I could filter down using label selection before doing keyword searches. I have exactly zero problems with my mail.

everything in my inbox

i have set up filters that automatically label almost everything coming in

then i archive them; my inbox has like a dozen messages in it

/anal

See I like to only have things in my inbox that I haven't replied to or need to do something about.

I'm happy enough with everything else just being in the Archive though.

The Archiving thing did work

only one drawback - it only archives 20 things at a time

so if you have 100s of that thing it takes a while

Cant install a client at work so browser it is

lonesome hobo, cast from computer to computer with no harbor but my browser login with which to complete the tasks assigned by my employer

same as j.
i don't use it that often, but every time i do it annoys me tbh

y'all are crazy, Gmail is the best

Yeah - work recently moved over from Lotus Notes and GMail is sooo good.

Though people are looking to turn off conversations because there is literally no learning some people.

hate the new gmail look, especially since i never use hangouts and so have the right hand side of the screen filled by something useless. anyone know if there's a way to remove it?

I don't have anything on the right of my screen except a tiny column with some buttons - calendar, keep, and tasks.

and even that has a button at the bottom to collapse it.

yeah i have that panel too. i also realised i'm an idiot and i just needed to deactivate the chat in my settings

I have to click on everything twice and it's slower.

And seeing that Gmail envelope animation every 35 seconds like it's the Batman logo doesn't help.

same

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the idea that people would use browser email is totally bizarre to me. why??

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Always flummoxed by this. I feel I should be using something better than Apple mail; what’s good?

eudora

compuserve

Apple Mail is pretty decent tbh

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airmail's ok. that's what i use, along with spamsieve.

i'd probably use Apple Mail except there's a bug that renders all my IMAP email in black text with a black background. i even got a new hard drive, fresh install of high Sierra, did NOT restore any data, put all my info in from scratch and the bug was still there. only thing I've found online about it is something similar from like 2014 if you were running a beta or something..

bloatmail

https://medium.com/@boriscoder/peeking-under-the-hood-of-redesigned-gmail-dd84b532e0f5

i used to run a decade-out-of-date machine that was pretty taxed by browser usage, merely even loading the hangouts widget was an obvious bottleneck

but now on my fast new computer it still sometimes shows the 'something's wrong' error in that widget's frame intermittently

yup, it's considerably slower and glitchier since the update on 2 of my older pc's.

The way the official, promoted ads in my 'Promotions' tabs jump around about 2-5 seconds after I open the tab, ensuring I click on an ad instead of the actual email I want to open, is driving me bonkers. Even knowing it's coming and waiting a few extra seconds only works about half the time, they seem to have learned just how to time them.

Extra annoying that these two promoted ads are no longer consistently at the top of the page, easy to ignore.

gmail is trash

I used to like it. As I complained in another thread the search function is terrible, and Google’s core business is a search engine!

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fastmail security supposed to be a bit shit? (full disclosure: i use fastmail for personal non spam email because i like it and don’t care)

have never heard that nor do I know what you might be referring to

have had no issues re gmail or search.
in fact, i have no 'promotions' tab !?

have never heard that nor do I know what you might be referring to

have had no issues re gmail or search.
in fact, i have no 'promotions' tab !?

Oh I mean in practice most email you send will be TLS encrypted between servers and if you use any email provider you’re kind of trusting your provider to not read your email no matter what, nothing special about Fastmail there. Also I’m sure their infra is deployed worldwide now the internet isn’t good enough in Australia to run a service from there I’m pretty sure

My impression of Australia is the whole country is sharing one asymmetric DSL connection that goes to Singapore and they each pay $89 a month for it

xxpost - I don't know if it was something with my settings, but several years ago my Gmail started appearing pre-screened into three tabs at the top - Primary, Promotions and Social. For the most part it does a pretty good job of sorting my incoming mail into the appropriate tabs, although I have had to do a little "training" for newsletters and such. I'm sure there's some setting for this, but I'm actually okay with it and I didn't do anything intentional to set up these tabs, they just showed up. The Promotions tab is the only one that had the embedded ads.

that sounds like a nightmare to me. if gmail had any advertising at all i would be gone immediately.

Yeah I've had the tab setup on the browser gmail for a few years, it happened automatically. Yes it has embedded ads but it also segregates useless promotional emails with a pretty high degree of accuracy (I also train it sometimes). Makes gmail an better experience overall, most days I don't even open the Promotions tab. In the app version, I use the Primary view, where Promotions is not a tab but they show up grouped together at the top of my email, which is slightly more annoying than the browser version

I have several Gmail accounts and only one of them has that "promotions" tab and only one or two emails ever get sent there. Usually they're notifications from Zoom or something stupid like that.

I think they offered me the promotions 'upgrade' a couple of years ago, I declined and they haven't asked me since.

The Promotions tab is great. Filters out all the offer emails from companies you've purchased from in the past etc

Very easy to quickly scan through the list to see if there's anything of interest and then bulk delete them.

It's fine, I'm sure it could be better but it's just frickin email and I don't care enough to change, though I'm sure there are better alternatives

it's super easy to customize / remove the tabs in gmail!

The Promotions tab is great. Filters out all the offer emails from companies you've purchased from in the past etc

Very easy to quickly scan through the list to see if there's anything of interest and then bulk delete them.

exactly! Recently I had to go through a bunch of emails on an old work computer where I was using MS Outlook (ah the days of configuring POP3 settings ...) and realized that having to sort through a bunch of promotional email from like Office Depot and gig announcements for concerts in places I will never go ... that used to be a major part of "my email lyfe" and now ... promotions tab + forums tab -- not any more.

Also! Also! being able to have multiple gmail account inboxes show in the app ... I think that was my technology excitement of the month when I figured that out tbh

Tried to set up an account for my mom, they want me to scan a QR code with my phone. Lol, fuck off

I guess I will just get her a Protonmail account, sucks to suck losers!!!!

Yeah you arent supposed to get the QR code when you are on an actual phone. Ugh.

Well, not my part of the company.

I'm on a computer!

Anyway, now the Protonmail account has been flagged for spam and needs me to enter a phone number for two-factor verification. I truly hate what the internet has become

was just saying this yesterday as I tried to save my fitbit account by moving it to an old gmail account, which not only was a total ballache but now i can't even agree the account at all. Phone-onlyapps can seriously fuck off - they used to have a desktop browser dashboard which they removed some years ago, so if I want to use my app I now have to buy a new phone, which I refuse to do because it otherwise works fine.

fairly sure I'm going to be forced into getting one at some point, but I'll hold out.

I do have a tablet I could have used, but that's set up on a "clean" gmail account which is unlinked to anything real, because it's mainly used by the kids. The fact you have to have one to use a device simply for a browser, photos, YouTube etc is infuriating.

I manage a google workspace for a non-profit - lots of volunteers, part-timers, retired folks - and just navigating folks through the process of adding a second account to their existing account and legit want to chew my arm off.

oh yes I did that as well. We had new people needing login access to it every year or so (with outgoing people being removed). Could never work out who the phone numbers belonged to for those who had to receive 'confirmation codes' on their phone - just unbelievably hard to manage access to it.