Roald Dahl: C/D S&D

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So, are you a Charlie and The Chocolate Factory hayta, or do you cream at the mention of BFGs?

Dan I., Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I hope I'm not repeating a previous discussion.

Dan I., Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Also, how about the "You Only Live Twice" Bond? Does it reflect Dahl's typical writing?

Dan I., Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I like the twits and Fantastic MR Fox. I remember especially liking the map on the inside cover of my copy of Fox, that were great.

chris, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The VKs in ^Grate Glass Elevator^>>>oneeyed monsters>>sexual subtext about fear of fruity penetration>>>>was Dahl repressed ?>>>>^Giant Peach^ is US immigrant story where insect/parasite parallels are too simplistic>>>see Afghantis + 007 thread>>>insects/foreigners>>objects of fear become allies>>>>FMr Fox loses to Danny,Champion of the World as poacher tactical manual + DCOWstyle poaching celebrated by famous motel near Preston - 'The Tickled Trout>>>Sophie's book is of a different style>>>

, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I love pretty much all his work. But I have to say that Switch Bitch is one of the greatest little books of short stories going. I love the more twisted children's stories like the Twits and the witches.

Ed, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Re Switch Bitch - I agree. "Madame Rosette" is great.

"For me, I am accustomed. But for my friend, I cannot speak."
"For me, I am accustomed."

Sam, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i hate him but he is a relative: his brother Louie was a sweetheart

Aged 13 I felt that Switch Bitch the story was v.dubious psychologically and neurologically (implies a. women are gagging for it [obv.true], but b. they have no differentiatio-intuition of physical sensation "down there" [blimey surely rubbish])

However age 13 I was no expert on cocksize, as pitcher OR catcher.

mark s, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

His short stories RoXoR>> I've taught ^Lamb To The Slaughter^to GCSE classes + compare to King's 'Suffer The Little Children'>>>job's a good un'

, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Was Roald Dahl a ROCKIST or a POPIST?

Tim, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

mock popist

mark s, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

settle a bet (between me and my brane): did roald dahl write a short story about a boy being tied to the train tracks? if he didn't did someone else? i remember vividly reading (being forced to read?) this tale as a wee one and it Scarred Me For Life.

jess, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes, it's in The Wonderful Story of Henry Sugar. It has a very weird ending where the boy becomes a swan after being forced to climb a tree by some bullies, after they tie bits of dismembered swan to him.

Sam, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I never understood Charlie and the Chocolate Factory as a kid. It also frankly scared the shit out of me. Of course now I can appreciate "Charlie's" macabre humour... I never really thought of Dahl as a kid's writer though. Most of it is like moralist fantasy for adults.

turner, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Danny the Champion of the World was pretty good, I seem to remember. That was him, wasn't it?

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Fantastic Mr Fox was excellent - I read and read and re-read it. I read Charlie And The Chocolate Factory aloud recently and was amazed at how sharp the poetry is, but Dahl's kinderphobia is kind of telling too (He watches TV = he must suffer).

Tom, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

When I was at primary school my best friend told me that 'Charlie And The Chocolate Factory' had a twist ending - Willy Wonka turns out to be a squirrel! And I believed him (until I finished the bk, of course.)

Anjdrew L, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

six years pass...

or do you cream at the mention of BFGs?

I'm really sorry about this, I don't know what I was thinking.

Dan I., Friday, 28 December 2007 02:45 (seventeen years ago)

Dahl is easily one of my favorties, with Danny the Champion of the World leading the way. I just re-read it a few years ago, and it was as good as I had remembered.

B.L.A.M., Friday, 28 December 2007 16:52 (seventeen years ago)

parson's pleasure
the umbrella man

remy bean, Friday, 28 December 2007 17:04 (seventeen years ago)

Rolled Dal
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Hurting 2, Friday, 28 December 2007 17:10 (seventeen years ago)

"There’s a trait in the Jewish character that does provoke animosity. I mean there is always a reason why anti-anything crops up anywhere; even a stinker like Hitler didn’t just pick on them for no reason. I'm certainly anti-Israeli and I've become anti-Semitic in as much as that you get a Jewish person in another country like England strongly supporting Zionism."

and what, Friday, 28 December 2007 17:39 (seventeen years ago)

Yeah, he was a jerk.

Dan I., Friday, 28 December 2007 19:37 (seventeen years ago)

i hate him but he is a relative

This reads opposite its intent for me: those who had to actually be related to him seem first in line among the haters.

(Part of me reads about folks like him and certain Waugh-family remembers and kinda envies the kind of time period, socio-economic class, and talent sphere where you could be a total bitter black-humoured bastard and nobody could do anything about it)

nabisco, Friday, 28 December 2007 19:53 (seventeen years ago)

(except with fewer typos)

nabisco, Friday, 28 December 2007 19:53 (seventeen years ago)

settle a bet (between me and my brane): did roald dahl write a short story about a boy being tied to the train tracks? if he didn't did someone else? i remember vividly reading (being forced to read?) this tale as a wee one and it Scarred Me For Life.

Ah yes, "The Swan". I read that one too when I was young and found it a disturbing story. Especially since the bullies aren't brought to justice in the end...actually, couldn't really figure out what happened in the end to the kid.

Joe, Friday, 28 December 2007 20:01 (seventeen years ago)

But the greatness of his writing comes from his being an asshole. Fair enough, I didn't know he was an anti-semite which I find completely inexcusable and detestable but the cliché that he hated children is what makes his best books so great, I'm thinking of Matilda and The Witches here I think his children's books are some of the finest books ever written and much greater than anything he wrote for adults.

I know, right?, Friday, 28 December 2007 20:44 (seventeen years ago)

four years pass...

Just read Donald Sturrock's biography and the idea that he hated kids is ridiculous. He definitely hated a lot of adults though.

Number None, Thursday, 1 March 2012 14:41 (thirteen years ago)

seem to remember that it was kingsley amis who (perhaps w malicious intent) claimed that dahl told him he hated kids

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 1 March 2012 14:46 (thirteen years ago)

There's an anecdote about them meeting at a party thrown by Tom Stoppard where Dahl pisses of Amis by telling him he should write children's books if he wanted to make real money. Dahl leaves in a helicopter and Amis later wrote that 'I watched the television news that night, but there was no report of a famous children’s author being killed in a helicopter crash.’ It's omitted in this book (it is an authorised biography) but supposedly when Amis said he had no interest in writing for kids, Dahl said "never mind the little bastards'd swallow it."

Number None, Thursday, 1 March 2012 14:52 (thirteen years ago)

the idea that he hated kids is ridiculous. He definitely hated a lot of adults though.

This is why I <3 him so.

cashmere tears-soaker (Abbbottt), Thursday, 1 March 2012 14:53 (thirteen years ago)

I've been reading a lot of his books with my kids, and I get this weird feeling they were all dictated freestyle off the top of his head. They're so disorganized and random, especially stuff like "The Witches" and "Matilda," the latter a perfectly fine, even lovely story until suddenly, out of nowhere, it turns all telekinetic "Carrie" for no reason whatsoever.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 March 2012 14:53 (thirteen years ago)

Matilda was apparently his most problematic book to write. He actually rewrote the whole thing from scratch (Matilda was originally an unsympathetic character and the plot revolved around racetrack gambling)

Number None, Thursday, 1 March 2012 14:58 (thirteen years ago)

ten years pass...

Questions for Roald Dahl:

Were any of the poaching methods in Danny the Champion of the World ever used in real life? Did they work?

Why did none of the teachers in Matilda's school report Miss Trunchbull to the authorities?

Speaking as an adult - I have no idea what particular aspects appeal to my 6 year old daughter - Danny is definitely my favourite, successfully grounded in reality with a minimum of Dahl's abusive misanthropy. Matilda is fine - I don't mind the turn to Carrie, how else is a five year old girl going to best the Trunchbull? - but it happens rather late and as a result the end is rushed. I'm not a big fan of Charlie, too many unpleasant characters and unpleasant fates for them. The BFG is pretty slight - it's surprising how little happens in lots of his books, in fact.

dear confusion the catastrophe waitress (ledge), Monday, 27 June 2022 09:42 (three years ago)


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