Illinois Senate Race Just Got Real Interesting

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― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:56 (twenty-one years ago)

choice quote: "Respondent became very upset with me, and told me it was not a 'turn-on' for me to cry."

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I got one of those automatic CBS news phone polls yesterday about this, and one of the questions was, which one of the following statements represents your feelings about this situation? And it was like, "I used to have a favorable opinion of Jack Ryan, and I still do," and "I used to have a favorable opinion of Jack Ryan, but I now have an unfavorable opinion of him." And of course, one of the options was "I used to have an unfavorable opinion of Jack Ryan, but I now have a favorable opinion of him." I was really tempted to pick that one.

― St. Nicholas (Nick A.), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 20:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I have an unfavorable opinion of Jeri Ryan now.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 20:01 (twenty-one years ago)

It's going to be real over in about three hours, reportedly.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 20:01 (twenty-one years ago)

awesome! is Ryan resigning?

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 20:02 (twenty-one years ago)

smoking gun's got the heavily censored documents.

― Huk-El (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 20:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Ryan isn't an incumbent. There's supposed to be a press conference this evening, though that doesn't necessarily mean he's dropping out. Either way, it's going to be great having this guy in the Senate...

http://chronicle.uchicago.edu/010104/election-voices6.jpg

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 20:05 (twenty-one years ago)

if he was a Democrat they wouldn't be censored.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 20:05 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost - gabbneb who said Ryan was an incumbent?

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 20:06 (twenty-one years ago)

If he was a democrat he wouldn't have taken his own wife to a sex club!

― Huk-El (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 20:07 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, he would've just cheated with an intern.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 20:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Obama sounds too good to be true, I hope things work out for him in the future!

― teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 20:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Obama sounds like Osama, too, but I still think he's rad. If I still lived there, I'd volunteer.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 20:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I was trying to be a little more subtle there, Mr. HLeno.

― Huk-El (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 20:10 (twenty-one years ago)

yesterday or the day before on B96 the djs had people call in to comment. one woman said that she was a member of the BDSM community & she was glad that he was sexually expressive . . .
xpost

― kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 20:10 (twenty-one years ago)

"too good to be true", via Drudge.

No one, h, i guess i misread "resigning"

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 20:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I guess I meant resigning from candidacy. Don't know why I wrote that.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 20:13 (twenty-one years ago)

gabbneb for a sec with your "too good to be true" link I was anticipating it was about Illinois GOP trying Jeri for perjury. Too bad it just had to be some shitty George Will piece.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 20:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha, hstencil, ya beat me to it. But this was all over the 'net about three months ago. Which has me wondering why the Illinois GOP is acting all 'shocked' about it now. I think they can't stand him and would be happy to exchange him for someone more 'moderate'.

Jack Ryan is a seriously creepy and vain dude. But it's not like he was going to win anyway.

I don't understand why a member of 'the BDSM community' would want to praise a man who dragged his unwilling wife to a 'sex club'. It's disturbing that people don't get what is really wrong with this. But it's not like we didn't already know that he was a vain, paleo-Catholic ass.

― Kerry (dymaxia), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 20:18 (twenty-one years ago)

do you think his wife was unwilling? it's quite possible that she was & looking back on it has either decided that she wasn't or is using it against him to gain custody or something.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 20:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Somewhere Tom Clancy is crying.

― Leeefuse 73 (Leee), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 20:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Asked about the accusations in the unsealed depositions, Mr. Obama replied: "I don't think it's appropriate for me to comment on that. Those are issues of personal morality. The issues I'm focused on are public morality."

I like this guy, and hope that when I'm there, he's going to be the Senator.

I have an unfavorable opinion of Jeri Ryan now.

How come??

― Leeefuse 73 (Leee), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 20:24 (twenty-one years ago)

The thing is - Jeri Ryan's mother complained to the papers that Jack Ryan had been too 'controlling' - telling her what to wear, how to dress, telling her to exercise more, etc. And when confronted with this, Jack Ryan agreed that he had been too 'controlling'. It's not to hard to guess what was really going on there, given his politics.

The point, though, is not whether this story is true or not. It is that people are taking this story at face value and saying, 'right on, dude!' If the story is true, it's -not- okay.

Anyway, read it and puke .

― Kerry (dymaxia), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 20:24 (twenty-one years ago)

safe sane and CONSENTUAL

― teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 20:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Leeee - it was a bad joke based on Jeri-perving, nevermind.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

what kinda guy expects to be elected in America with an orange/black color scheme anyway? What a freakin' weirdo.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

But it's not like he was going to win anyway.

Yup. Even before this came out, he was trailing Obama by quite a bit.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 20:30 (twenty-one years ago)

When you consider that Obama's kicking ass running for a formerly Republican seat, it makes you appreciate how incredibly bad Carol was.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 20:31 (twenty-one years ago)

There was a funny bit in the New Yorker profile of Obama wherein Illinois Congresswoman Jan Schakowsky went to visit GWB while wearing an OBAMA button on her lapel. As soon as Bush saw it, he jumped back. She had to reassure him it didn't say OSAMA. Apparently, Bush had never heard of Obama, though, and was still a little skeptical.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 20:31 (twenty-one years ago)

http://cjonline.com/images/091198/day.will.jpg
http://eminem.adamdude.com/images/osama_binshady.jpg

― quoteboy (gabbneb), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 20:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Choicer quote: "We did go to one avant-garde nightclub in Paris..."

― nabiscothingy, Wednesday, 23 June 2004 23:18 (twenty-one years ago)

"...which was more than either one of us felt comfortable with. We're just not feeling DAT Politics, sorry."

― nabiscothingy, Wednesday, 23 June 2004 23:19 (twenty-one years ago)

"crying isn't a turn on". Well then Jack obviously isn't seriously into his perversion!

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 23:26 (twenty-one years ago)

He'll pick up the swing voters.

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 23:33 (twenty-one years ago)

holy shit ILX pun-groan of the year

― nabiscothingy, Wednesday, 23 June 2004 23:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Now Ryan is quoted in the newspaper as saying that if that is the only complaint someone had in eight years of marriage, then that person is luckier than most. Lucky to be married to a control freak who has no regard for his wife's desires? Also, one Chicago columnist, in response to the 'avant-garde nightclub' remark, asked, 'what is this, the 1920s?'

― Kerry (dymaxia), Thursday, 24 June 2004 02:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Shouldn't Jeri have figured out his MO after the first "long-weekend" "romantic getaway"? Jesus. "Honest, honey, this won't be like New York." "No, really, this is not going to Paris all over again." "Gotcha bitch!"

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 24 June 2004 02:20 (twenty-one years ago)

i feel kind of bad for ryan, this isn't the kind of stuff that should bring down a campaign. i can't even accuse him of hypocrisy (since he indulges in moralizing typical of a conservative politician) because these are unconfirmed accusations by an ex-wife and nothing more.

obama was probably going to win anyway. he's a great guy, it seems; it'll be nice to have two really good senators from illinois (durbin has turned out to be even better than i had hoped).

― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 24 June 2004 04:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Choicer quote: "We did go to one avant-garde nightclub in Paris..."

-- nabiscothingy (--...) (webmail), June 23rd, 2004 5:18 PM. (later) (link)

that was hilarious.

i love the connotation "avant-garde" is understood to have for tribune readers.... "avant-garde" = leather whips and open orifices, i guess.

― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 24 June 2004 04:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't see how anyone could possibly have any sympathy for Ryan. Sure, it's unconfirmed, but if it was such an untruth he could have sued her during the proceedings or tried to bring charges for perjury or any number of things besides covering it up. Covering it up, as learned so many years ago with Nixon, always looks bad - and sometimes is worse than the initial offense (tho not in this case).

Also sex stuff - rightly or wrongly, true or not - brings down campaigns all the time. Gary Hart, Gary Condit, Bill Clinton, etc. Weirdly it seems that sex scandals don't affect Republicans (maybe Bob Packwood is the exception?) - I wonder why that is. Henry Hyde still is in office, unfortunately.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 24 June 2004 05:04 (twenty-one years ago)

i know sex stuff brings down campaigns often, i think it's dumb.

― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 24 June 2004 05:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it's dumb too, generally, but depends on the circumstances. In the Ryan case, it's not dumb. In cases involving two consenting adults, it's dumb.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 24 June 2004 05:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I ran this by my wife, who generally thinks that the American attitude towards political sex scandals is really screwed, and she thinks this one is different -- the problem isn't swinging, it's tricking your spouse into going to swing clubs against their will on several occasions. That gets into a level of deception and contempt for women that much more directly speaks to the question of public morality than, say, fucking an intern.

Cf. a female friend of mine who was dragged to a sex club without being told in advance: "any creep who confuses my healthy appetite for sex with an interest in doing it in front of complete strangers is bad enough -- when he doesn't even have the guts or interest to ask me first, he's beneath contempt."

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 24 June 2004 05:15 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah but keep in mind we don't know that these things happened at all.

― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 24 June 2004 05:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Colin OTM. Am - read my bit about cover ups.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 24 June 2004 05:17 (twenty-one years ago)

also, what sank Gary Condit wasn't boinking Chandra Levy - what sank him was lying about it.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 24 June 2004 05:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Clinton and Hart, too. Lying about boinking doesn't sink Republicans.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 24 June 2004 05:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Stence, that's because if you think of the Republicans on offer, nobody'd ever admit to boinkery: 'I shagged Spiro Agnew' doesn't exactly fly off the page.

According to Hollywood lore one Nancy Davis spent significant time being the town bike of Beverly Hills before her marriage.

Michael Dukakis' campaign had some serious dirty laundry on the opposition but unlike their Republican counterparts felt that it was perhaps not-of-the-issue to mention the opponent's mistress.

― suzy (suzy), Thursday, 24 June 2004 07:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Would anyone buy "I SHAGGED SPIRO AGNEW" t-shirts?

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 24 June 2004 13:02 (twenty-one years ago)

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Yeah, but the REAL 'conspiracy theory' question is : why did the state GOP moderate gatekeepers allow it? The conservatives don't control the state party.

― k3rry (dymaxia), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 18:20 (twenty-one years ago)

He's also an unelectable figure. His contribution to politics isn't electoral in the least; he simply uses the electoral system as a platform to speak. A hilarious media-heavy race against Obama is somewhat perfect for him: it's an extra few months of pulpit without needing to worry much about results.

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 18:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Bowing to those of you who actually live there and pay attention -- isn't the Republican parti in IL basically a wreck right now after the Ryan scandal stuff? Maybe it was just too disorganized to mount any kind of concerted effort to build a viable candidacy, and outside conservatives (who CERTAINLY run the nationwide party) saw it as a chance to kind of take over the state party? I don't know, but I can certainly imagine the national party slavering to get their conservative agenda on the table in such a populous state, if the party there does indeed lean toward moderation.

― Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 18:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, indeed, and I don't think the moderates are about to let that happen. It's probably best for them to sit this one out while they figure out what they're going to do.

― k3rry (dymaxia), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 18:44 (twenty-one years ago)

ha ha, yeah, it seems that maybe a rabid Alan Keyes wasn't really the man for the job, now was he?

― Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 18:47 (twenty-one years ago)

FYI

and...

Illinois Leader is the conservative rag in Illinois - it's pretty interesting stuff.

― k3rry (dymaxia), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 18:52 (twenty-one years ago)

That second piece repeats some of the fallacies that blow my mind about the conservative agenda on a national level -- particularly that the Bush administration was elected with a strong conservative mandate, and has bowed to (and should reject) moderate interests. It's as if the author, and those who also trumpet the same line, have no sense of how Bush was elected. I mean, please, Republicans, go ahead and get WAY more conservative -- fine by me. Seems to be working great for Keyes...

― Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 19:09 (twenty-one years ago)

It certainly will NEVER work in Illinois, not after years of centrist politics. Even the conservative congressmen are vulnerable now.

Maybe if Illinois is subjected to a massive terrorist attack or something...I just can't see the entire population turning into reactionaries.

― k3rry (dymaxia), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 19:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Here's some good gossip about things on the Dem side. Illinois politics are fascinating, with all of these factions plotting against each other.

― k3rry (dymaxia), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 23:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Just reminding y'all that the Obama / Whatshisbutt debate is tonight on local ABC affiliates in Illinois. Should be entertaining.

― k3rry (dymaxia), Thursday, 21 October 2004 20:53 (twenty-one years ago)

See http://www.lwvil.org for details.

― k3rry (dymaxia), Thursday, 21 October 2004 20:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I just watched the last part of the debate, and Alan Keys is a joke. Barrack should be elected just because tonight he was able to stand up there and thoughtfully debate with such a wacko. Several times I would have just said, "Are you fucking crazy?"

― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Thursday, 21 October 2004 23:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh my God!

See what I mean?

― k3rry (dymaxia), Friday, 22 October 2004 20:06 (twenty-one years ago)

State party chairwoman Judy Baar Topinka has said she supports Keyes, but she won't say if she will vote for him.

Ouch.

― Sympatico (shmuel), Friday, 22 October 2004 20:15 (twenty-one years ago)

She supports him.....in his quest to make an ass of himself.

I love how these GOPers are, like, wink, wink, wink.

― k3rry (dymaxia), Friday, 22 October 2004 20:17 (twenty-one years ago)

the whole "oh this doesn't mean anything, he's sending out his own separate mailers" line = least convincing pollitical spin ever

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 22 October 2004 20:36 (twenty-one years ago)

except he probably is! it's his own idea!! it's more federalist !

― mark s (mark s), Friday, 22 October 2004 20:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Illinois state motto: "State sovereignty, national union"

― k3rry (dymaxia), Friday, 22 October 2004 20:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Surely it'd be more republican rather than federalist.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 22 October 2004 21:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh my god. I swear to god, the Libertarian senate candidate's name is Jerry Kohn. Bizarre.

― k3rry (dymaxia), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Is he running against Beorge Gush?

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I listened to the beginning of last night's debate (maybe the first 15 minutes or so) while washing the dishes, but Keyes didn't say anything too oddball in that time. I don't think I'd ever heard him speak before, his voice sounded different from what I expected. What struck me is in that admittedly brief amount of time, they only discussed national and international issues, no state-level issues.

― n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:56 (twenty-one years ago)

you missed the part where he proved--by SCIENCE (or by some dessicated form of logic he must have picked up at harvard)--that adoption causes incest

the moderator was quite aggressive, and kind of cornered obama on the one issue where he's been hedging a bit (gay marriage)--i doubt he would have done so if obama stood the remotest chance of losing the election

otherwise this was what you'd expect--keyes is a really unappealing character, obama is quite impressive

― Amateurist (Travis Blue), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Obama has my sympathy for having to debate Keyes.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 17:04 (twenty-one years ago)

keyes is such a windbag. he pulls out all this "it's logical, see you have point A, and then point B" shit but it's only the trappings of logic, the rhetoric of logic, there is little actually convincing logic behind it. even worse, he draws these triangles and squares in the air with his fingers when he talks this way, as if to suggest, "see, look, it's like geometry." i really hope he just fucking disappears from illinois after he's pounded in this election, despite his promise to the contrary.

― amateur!!st, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 19:14 (twenty-one years ago)

i mean for fuck's sake this freshman-level sophistry really doesn't belong in politics. i feel bad for obama just for having gotten sucked into it. i'm surprised he didn't just respond with "i don't really want to get into that" to more of keye's comments.

― amateur!!st, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 19:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I probably shouldn't say this, but Keyes' voice sounds like the stereotypical "dorky white guy" voice that all the comedians on Def Comedy Jam used to do.

― n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 19:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I almost said something to that effect when you said his voice didn't sound like you thought it would.

Tony Gwynn to thread.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 19:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Obama
1,001,049
82%

Keyes
190,051
16%

Kohn
15,740
1%

Franzen
13,607
1%

― amateur!!st, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:59 (twenty-one years ago)

My god, it's a slaughter.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Well duh.

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Heard on radio that Judy Baar Topinka thanked Keyes for his 'visit' to Illinois. Meow. Meanwhile, Keyes said he is going to stay and 'clean up' the Illinois GOP.

― k3rry (dymaxia), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, go Obama!

― robots in love (robotsinlove), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Well I suppose we can console ourselves that America is not yet crazy enough to elect this guy.

Keyes Blames Media, GOP for Loss in Ill.

37 minutes ago

By NICOLE ZIEGLER DIZON, Associated Press Writer

CHICAGO - Alan Keyes (news - web sites) blamed the media and fellow Republicans on Thursday for his lopsided loss to Democrat Barack Obama in the U.S. Senate race in Illinois.

Keyes also said he did not congratulate Obama after the race was called, a tradition among politicians, because doing so would have been a "false gesture" because he believes Obama's views on issues like abortion are wicked.

"I'm supposed to make a call that represents the congratulations toward the triumph of that which I believe ultimately stands for and will stand for a culture evil enough to destroy the very soul and heart of my country," Keyes said. "I can't do this, and I will not make a false gesture."

The former diplomat and two-time presidential candidate, who lost to Obama by 43 percentage points Tuesday, gave his first post-election interview Thursday to a Christian talk show host.

Keyes said that despite the loss, he thought he did a good job spreading his message of moral values in the short time he had to campaign. Republicans drafted Keyes in August after primary winner Jack Ryan dropped out amid a scandal over sex club allegations in his divorce files. Keyes is from Maryland and had never lived in Illinois.

He also said he was disappointed in what he called the number of "Republicans in name only" in Illinois. An Associated Press exit poll showed that four in 10 Republicans voted for Obama, a liberal state senator from Chicago.

"I had counted on the fact that Republicans would come back home on Election Day rather than vote a socialist into office who stands against everything they profess to believe as Republicans," Keyes said.

Keyes noted that 1.3 million people voted for him.

But Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs pointed out that 70 percent of the vote went to Obama, more than 3.4 million votes.

"The people of Illinois rendered a very clear decision on Tuesday by handing Alan Keyes the greatest election defeat in Illinois Senate history. Barack Obama's attention is focused on the important work he now must do for all the people of Illinois."

Keyes said a major difficulty in his campaign was overcoming the "stranglehold" the media had on trying to define the issues of importance in political campaigns.

"I refused to accept their authority, and I still do," Keyes said.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 5 November 2004 00:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I like how the last statement can be read as a sudden switch saying that he does accept their authority.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 5 November 2004 01:04 (twenty-one years ago)

three months pass...

aw, maya got disowned!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A20005-2005Feb12.html

Now Maya Keyes -- liberal, lesbian and a little lost -- finds herself out on her own. She says her parents -- conservative commentator and perennial candidate Alan Keyes and his wife, Jocelyn -- threw her out of their house, refused to pay her college tuition and stopped speaking to her.

― teeny (teeny), Monday, 14 February 2005 00:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Family values, natch.

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Monday, 14 February 2005 01:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I wonder if there's any kind of viable lawsuit against her father's political organization for firing her.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 14 February 2005 21:34 (twenty-one years ago)

At least she's not at risk for getting pregnant and having an abortion. He'd kill her.

― Fish fingers all in a line (kenan), Monday, 14 February 2005 21:36 (twenty-one years ago)

"We must stone the harlot..."

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 14 February 2005 21:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Class act that Alan Keyes.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 14 February 2005 21:47 (twenty-one years ago)

dispwn3d by that asshole > being accepted by him

― The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Monday, 14 February 2005 21:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Didn't he once say that he wouldn't do something like that, even though he wouldn't be happy about it (hypothetically)?

― Yr3k (dymaxia), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 00:37 (twenty-one years ago)

did he ever make a public statement about it? his daughter i mean?

well, at least he has the, ahem, courage (or asshattery) of his convictions.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 02:01 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah thats what i was gonna say: at least we knows he's a sincere fuckhead!

― latebloomer: HE WHOM DUELS THE DRAFGON IN ENDLESS DANCE (latebloomer), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 02:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Keyes' Daughter Calls Self 'Liberal Queer'

Mon Feb 14,11:14 PM ET
By TOM STUCKEY, Associated Press Writer

ANNAPOLIS, Md. - The daughter of conservative Republican Alan Keyes referred to herself Monday as a "liberal queer" and urged support for gay and lesbian young people who have been deserted by their families.

Maya Marcel-Keyes, 19, addressed a rally sponsored by the gay-rights group Equality Maryland, saying she was motivated to speak out because of her rocky relationship with her parents and the recent death of a friend who had fallen ill after being thrown out of the house by his family.

Marcel-Keyes told several hundred supporters that her sexuality had created a rift in her relationship with her parents.

"Things just came to a head. Liberal queer plus conservative Republican just doesn't mesh well," she said. "That was making my life a little bit turbulent."

Later, Marcel-Keyes told CNN her parents "were not too pleased" when they learned she was a lesbian, but she said she loves them "very much, and they love me. They can't support my activities."

Her father, the Republican candidate for the U.S. Senate in Illinois last year, created a stir in August when he said during an interview that homosexuality was "selfish hedonism" and that Vice President Dick Cheney's lesbian daughter was a sinner.

In a statement issued Monday night, Keyes said: "My daughter is an adult, and she is responsible for her own actions. What she chooses to do has nothing to do with my work or political activities."

Marcel-Keyes said she received an outpouring of support when disclosing her sexual orientation, but her friend did not.

"Like me, he grew up queer in a conservative household," she said. But where she got hundreds of e-mails, offers of a place to stay and a college scholarship, "he'd been out there two years and had gotten nothing."

"And the worst part is, he isn't the only one," Marcel-Keyes said.

____

On the Net:

Equality Maryland: http://www.equalitymaryland.org

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know where all this "Marcel" business is coming from.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 21:14 (twenty-one years ago)

you'd expect that when you fuck a mime, your offspring might be gay.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 21:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Not quite a sincere fuckhead. He's known about it for over a year, but only cut ties with here when it became public. He's more concerned about losing his support than any kind of moral judgement. What a cockfarmer.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

More and more I am convinced that Alan Keyes is actually a far-left provocateur executing a cunning program of ridicule and satire. I fully expect that when I’m 80 and Travis Obama is sworn in as attorney general someone will discover a diary in a dusty archive that’s all “Maya and I have got them eating out of our hands—a few more acts like this and we’ll kill that constitutional amendment dead.”

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 22:09 (twenty-one years ago)

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