Andy Warhol : Sexy Popstar or Buiness Automan

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I think purley for futhering the immortal work of duchamp classic but what do you folk think .

anthony, Sunday, 8 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

People tend to forget what a technically brilliant draftsman he was - but then, he probably didn't care one way or the other. Significant!

tarden, Sunday, 8 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I saw an episode of his TV show last week at the Museum of Television and Radio in Manhattan (great great place: hundreds of thousands of radio and TV episodes from all decades summonable at computer terminals). It was dud of a dudness. Andy was on stage for the entire show but said only one or two words. The whole thing looked very cheap. I frickin hate Andy Warhol. For representing a frightening change in art that would have happened with or without him (i.e. Duchamp), but doing it with such cold smarm and lack of humor.

tracer Hand, Sunday, 8 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Lack of humour? But everything he ever said was funny.

mark s, Sunday, 8 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Andy Warhol was where art finally started to go right again after going wrong for so long. Classic.

Yes, I will defend that in the morning, Josh. ;-)

masonic boom, Sunday, 8 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Like...? I believe you tho, I just don't know. I'm sure that personally, I mean the guy was so strange - he'd have to be funny. But I mean his Art, his Contribution. Some fantastic work re: publicity and image-making, the Marilyns, the repeated images, the factory of artists who ACTUALLY produced the work that he signed on the back. A necessary cold blow to fraudelent art-world authenticity. But eventually it just got so kind of... Nowhere. Have you seen his later oil pastels? It makes me sad thinking of him just tracing magazine ads, one after the other.

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 8 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Not so great after Solanas shot him. He died for three minutes on the table after all — and this can shake yr confidence. Plus — more importantly — the papers were just then full of Bobby Kennedy's assassination, and he was relegated to page 31, one par, bottom half of page!! Waddaya gadda DO in this town?!

mark s, Sunday, 8 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

To answer the question: Both. That is what is fantastic. Anyway, the only really annoying thing Warhol-related is the fact the The Cult wrote a horrid horrid song about Edie Sedgwick.

Simon, Sunday, 8 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Where is Stevie T when Andy needs him to make a conceptualist defence of 'The Warholian Idea Of Stardom and Self-Fashioning'?

the pinefox, Sunday, 8 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Warhol did some of his most interesting work after the shooting .

Not only creating a perfect pomo person who did not mean anything and talked in outrageous bonmots. ( really it was an extension of the aristo queers talked about earlier cf Qunetin Crisp, Capote or Wilde)
But as well his "art" itself.

Look at the work: The elegant but emphamrael poloraids notably the lonley self-potraits where he is in drag.
The sick green Nixon meant for McGovern.
The shadow paintings,with their darkness and bright colors that seem to be a masterpiece of inflection and innuendo .
The time capsules with the trash of everyday life packaged and archived . That now looks like Feliz Gonzales Tores or Tracey Emin if they went to New York Cocktail parties .
The homoerotic sexparts series of prints photographed to be cold and formal, the cock as product like a Cambell soup cans.
The gun and knife series where the phallic objects that dominate our culture seem gelded .

Warhols potraits seem to be court portaits. Socialites want to be seen as fashionable (ie beutiful and blank ). If you look at Court Portraits in history they are all as rigid and unfeeling as Warhols.

There was weak work ( the oxidaztion paintings, camaflouge, last suppers) but i really belive the late Warhol was more interesting then the magadlene Marylins,bathetic Tragedies and corprate advertising.

As for his work as a draftsmen, its good, a bit cute, but he is no Durer or even Fischl.

anthony, Sunday, 8 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

uh (loooooong pause) ,yeah.

CLASSIC.

duane, Sunday, 8 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

long pause uhhhh, no

Classic!

Geoff, Sunday, 8 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Errrrrmmmmmmm...

I don't know. You tell me what to say and I'll say it... just write it all out for me.

masonic boom, Monday, 9 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

What, you want the questions ahead of time>

masonic boom, Monday, 9 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Oh yes, and the answers, too.

masonic boom, Monday, 9 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Interesting conversation you're having with yourself here, Kate.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Ooh, you don't think one of the Kate's is going to ask us what the date is - then squint and ask us SIGNIFICANTLY what the year is....

I have time paradoxes. Does the universe end or something if you kill your flame yourself or something?

Pete, Monday, 9 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Dumbasses, it was a quite famous Warhol interview, where he asked the interviewer to make it all up.

It didn't come out all in one go cause my formatting fucked all up cause this computer is shite and I had to send it back in time to download MP3s, and... oh screw it. No one understands I word I say anyway. I'm going back to bed.

masonic boom, Monday, 9 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Now Now Masonic boom...we love you . Post in the night, somnambulstically! As for warhol, hes great but I prefer his band managing to his art. He is a conceptualist in my opinion, you dont really look at his stuff so much as you glance. But hes worth it.

Mike Hanle y, Monday, 9 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

For "new facts please" thread: Fame! For everyone!! 15 minutes!!!

AP, Monday, 9 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

seven months pass...
I believe that Warhol is a genius. He was a total slack-arse but became a millionaire because of it! The guy knew what he was doing.

C.Wright. No, let's say Chris.W, Monday, 11 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

two months pass...
masonic boom, it's okay...i just watched that particular interview in a segment on the tape Andy Warhol: Life on the edge, a biography. I enjoyed also Time Magazine's perspective that if Picasso was the greatest artist of the century, then Warhol was its Pan. I fail to see why some people just don't realize that Andy was an idea man, a conceptualizer and that the product isn't always as important as the process of getting there. Yes, it did revolutionize the way we think about art. Artists have always communicated their perceptions and interpretations of their environments. Soupcans, Marilyns, commercialism, and the American Dream... it was all around him. Who is anyone to say that this wasn't as valid an interpretaion as Guernica was to Picasso?

art teacher, Sunday, 14 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

heh heh when I moved up from panhandler to art-handler I moved 30 or so huge canvases out of the Andy Warhol Foundation on the 7th floor into a big white truck bound for the Gagosian. There was one in particular that none of us had seen before and there was like this informal 15 seconds of appreciation by all staff within earshot. Like the others it was just black paint (or silkscreen) on a big white square canvas. Some were big dollar signs, or letters. This one was a side-view pelvic diagram of a man, showing all the organs, tubes, etc, but fairly roughly painted. And a similarly diagrammatic finger up the butt!!

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 14 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I just had a thought about Andy Warhol, having read many, many artists' biographies, and biographical criticism of artists....I have to say that Andy Warhol is one of the few people I can stand to read about over and over again without getting sick of him - whether what is written is true or NOT. But what's fascinating, biographically, is not his life per se, but what he observed and collected, so you're observing him...observing. It's a neat evasion, a lasting joke. What a legacy.

Kerry, Sunday, 14 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

sexy popstar business automan

ducklingmonster, Sunday, 14 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one year passes...
happy andy warhol's birthday!

s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 7 August 2003 00:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hoppy boitday, Mr. Warhol!

You know, one of my most prized possessions is the Andy Warhol Diaries book. I bought it second-hand for $9.99 and still think that was one of the wisest decisions ever made. It is one of the nicest reads to turn to when I feel like reading something light and refreshing. It's like a delicious salad for the brain to pig out on during summery mental meltdowns.

I wish to God I could have been able to meet Andy Warhol.

Just Deanna (Dee the Lurker), Thursday, 7 August 2003 05:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

Business Popstar, Sexy Automaton

Prude (Prude), Thursday, 7 August 2003 06:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

Warhol's diaries are super trash fun

nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Thursday, 7 August 2003 06:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

Didn't one of his assistants write them?

s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 7 August 2003 19:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

(not that it really matters)

s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 7 August 2003 19:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

Warhol: Business Popstar.

Happy birthday to the guy that gave celebrities a reason to dress up to rev up their Mercs in case of that prime photo opportunity at the corner store.

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Thursday, 7 August 2003 19:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

http://www.chuckwagner.com/automan2.jpg

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 7 August 2003 19:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

What he actually said was "everyone will be WORLD-famous for 15 minutes."

I used to be pretty Warhol-obsessed, but I've never read that much about his actual life. S & D: Warhol bios/memoirs?

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 7 August 2003 22:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

Whatever happened to Barbara Allen?

rosemary (rosemary), Thursday, 7 August 2003 22:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

She died on Sunday, the day after her Sweet William.

amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 7 August 2003 23:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

three years pass...
Come anticipate PBS American Masters: Andy Warhol with me!
Part 1 tonight at 9pm, part 2 tomorrow.

Marmot (marmotwolof), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 20:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Way to make Warhol no fun at all, guys. Lots of serious and foreboding-sounding background music while a parade of po-faced bores drone on about how important it all was. I'm hoping all the Factory stuff etc. in part 2 will make it a bit more interesting, but ugh.

Marmot (marmotwolof), Thursday, 21 September 2006 05:02 (eighteen years ago) link

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H2-H4 (H2-H4), Thursday, 21 September 2006 05:07 (eighteen years ago) link

i watched some of this tonight for some reason and learned he was sort of a total ian reise-moraine

ath (ath), Thursday, 21 September 2006 05:08 (eighteen years ago) link

He lived with his mom, yeah, but I don't suspect any hanky panky.

Marmot (marmotwolof), Thursday, 21 September 2006 05:11 (eighteen years ago) link

next person to mention i r-m gets dickslapped

oops (Oops), Thursday, 21 September 2006 05:13 (eighteen years ago) link

next person to mention i r-m gets dickslapped

what, are you the ian reise-police?

ath (ath), Thursday, 21 September 2006 05:27 (eighteen years ago) link

the ian police-moraine, you could say

H2-H4 (H2-H4), Thursday, 21 September 2006 05:37 (eighteen years ago) link

reises polices

electric sound of jim [and why not] (electricsound), Thursday, 21 September 2006 05:38 (eighteen years ago) link

was this one of his basquiat collabs:

heh heh when I moved up from panhandler to art-handler I moved 30 or so huge canvases out of the Andy Warhol Foundation on the 7th floor into a big white truck bound for the Gagosian. There was one in particular that none of us had seen before and there was like this informal 15 seconds of appreciation by all staff within earshot. Like the others it was just black paint (or silkscreen) on a big white square canvas. Some were big dollar signs, or letters. This one was a side-view pelvic diagram of a man, showing all the organs, tubes, etc, but fairly roughly painted. And a similarly diagrammatic finger up the butt!!
-- Tracer Hand (tracerhan...), April 13th, 2002.

a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Thursday, 21 September 2006 05:39 (eighteen years ago) link

first installment of the PBS doc = 100X better than anticipated, talking heads in actually saying something interesting schocka.

fun Andyfact I didn't know before last night: first public showing of his "fine art" paintings was in Henri Bendel's windows!

m coleman (lovebug starski), Thursday, 21 September 2006 09:24 (eighteen years ago) link

c'mon didn't anybody else watch this?

departing from my usual razz-the-professors stance, I thought the talking heads -- mostly academic art historians & critics -- steered the discussion away from the usual gossip and made a convincing case for Andy as Artist. Even ex-Interview editor Bob Colacello was surprisingly ruminative rather than name-droppingly bitchy.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Friday, 22 September 2006 09:27 (eighteen years ago) link

I watched the second half last night, lovebug, will watch the first half over the weekned I guess. There was one guy who kind of lost me- that curator guy- but everybody else had something to say. I liked that one writer who talked about the inevitable moment where a biographer wakes up and goes to his desk and says "I hate this guy!" I was wondering why they didn't get Arthur C. Danto to talk but he probably would have dominated the proceedings. I liked the way Burns paced the thing, both in the way the way he kept the story moving and the way he handled the interviews- for the most part he let each of his talking heads say their piece and go on for as long as it took but he didn't let them ramble. The shooting and its aftermath were particularly well done, at the same time very detailed and very keyed in to the emotions of those who were there.

Oh yeah, I never knew Billy Name had a real last name!

Run Ruud Run (Ken L), Friday, 22 September 2006 12:47 (eighteen years ago) link

I thought the doc was a little all-over-the-place. Most of the commentators are interesting and it's really fun to watch Dave Hickey. But the portentious score music bugged the shit out of me and I think use of v-o talking head commentary, Rick Burns reading quotes and Jeff Koons reading for Warhol's diary is a little sloppy.

C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Friday, 22 September 2006 16:18 (eighteen years ago) link

I liked part two better than part one, but yeah the background music and everything being so goddamn serious - I'll have to watch the Superstar doc again, but I seem to remember enjoying that more than this. This is good for what it is, but as I was already convinced of Andy as Artist I wouldn't have minded a dash of trashiness to liven things up a bit! This also seemed to downplay the humor aspect of Warhol considerably.

Marmot (marmotwolof), Friday, 22 September 2006 19:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Jeff Koons reading for Warhol's diary is a little sloppy.
This makes me imagine some artworld Brady Bunch where Jeff sneaks into Andy's secret diary and reads it while listening in on a second phone line while Andy dishes crush tales to his main gal pal! Jeff Koons, wotta mischeif maker!

Abbott (Abbott), Friday, 22 September 2006 20:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I liked part one better than part two. I liked that part one spent a lot of time on his early years. I had never seen his drawings and commercial art stuff and was very impressed. I always believed that he didn't know how to draw, and I was obviously wrong. I also liked how the first part took its time with each year in his early career.

The second part felt rushed to me. There was so much stuff going on in the Factory days that that whole time could have been stretched out more. It barely covered his life in the 70s and 80s at all. I think it might have been better as a 3 parter, though maybe his later career just wasn't that interesting to fill up a whole extra show.

Matt Olken (Moodles), Saturday, 23 September 2006 01:20 (eighteen years ago) link

i missed the second half of this, but the first one was great--though it didnt tell me much new, it was sort of on the edge of warhol scholarship, pointing out his painterly qualities, deconstructing the mechincal, pointing out he wasnt an asexual, and talking about the rivalry b/w the various pop artists---and they qouted hickey, kaustenbaum, people i really respect...the only one they were missing was david baechelor (and i could have done w/o the ass who is cordinating the basically failed CR)

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 23 September 2006 19:14 (eighteen years ago) link

I kept falling asleep (thank you sinuses).

Wow, Ondine really does/did resemble Michael Imperioli.

tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Sunday, 24 September 2006 03:23 (eighteen years ago) link

top twenty blondes poll 2006: nominations thread

RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Sunday, 24 September 2006 15:24 (eighteen years ago) link

I missed bits of these, here and there, so maybe this cropped up, but I doubt it: one thing I would have found very interesting to address in these is the fact that so much of the work that Warhol's known for could be considered, by today's copyright standards, illegal. (Particularly with the more iconic Hollywood images, I kind of found myself wondering if the studios or the original photographers ever made any kind of comment on the art.)

nabisco (nabisco), Sunday, 24 September 2006 20:32 (eighteen years ago) link

(I mean, I know anything that goes into a magical museum gets left completely alone on this front, with a curator confirming the important distinction between Important Art and Competing Product -- but point being the techniques and ideas themselves, without that official safety around them, might very well be deemed criminal today.)

nabisco (nabisco), Sunday, 24 September 2006 20:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I thought about that exact same thing, nabisco.

Run Ruud Run (Ken L), Sunday, 24 September 2006 21:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Lawrence Lessig to thread.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Sunday, 24 September 2006 21:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Neil Printz is the name of the annoying guy- most of the other speakers weigh their rhetoric a little more carefully, while he is just flapping in the wind.

Run Ruud Run (Ken L), Monday, 25 September 2006 03:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I was wondering why they didn't get Arthur C. Danto to talk
Danto weighs in

Run Ruud Run (Ken L), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 16:10 (eighteen years ago) link

In which in the end he admits to liking it, but for the most part he seems to be complaining that the doc was not a bold cinematic expression of his point of view.

Run Ruud Run (Ken L), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 18:50 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Got this :
Brazilika: Subtropical Sunstroke Psych-Out Vol. 1

Very nice indeed.

oscar, Saturday, 29 March 2008 22:52 (sixteen years ago) link

wrong thread haha.

oscar, Saturday, 29 March 2008 22:55 (sixteen years ago) link

Warhol thread revived by a random error - I think Andy would approve.

snoball, Saturday, 29 March 2008 23:26 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...

25 years ago, when I was in university, I probably would have dismissed him. As I get older, I realize just how a) central he was to the '60s (almost--not quite--on a plane with the Beatles, Dylan, MLK, Ali, etc.), and b) incredibly smart he was about celebrity culture. Everytime I'm confronted these days by a Paris Hilton, a Joe the Plumber, a Sarah Palin, a balloon boy, a Kato Kaelin, etc., I automatically think, "Warhol would have loved this." The PBS American Masters from a few years ago was fantastic. There's a segment where they document Warhol's reaction to the Kennedy assassination. It's so good, I end up playing those few minutes for my intermediate students every Nov. 22; it's a unique, and moving, and amazingly perceptive gateway into how that event transformed the world.

clemenza, Thursday, 19 November 2009 19:24 (fifteen years ago) link

one month passes...

Oh noes, Billy Name negatives go missing: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/09/arts/design/09billy.html

lex submerge (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 9 January 2010 20:36 (fifteen years ago) link

I missed bits of these, here and there, so maybe this cropped up, but I doubt it: one thing I would have found very interesting to address in these is the fact that so much of the work that Warhol's known for could be considered, by today's copyright standards, illegal. (Particularly with the more iconic Hollywood images, I kind of found myself wondering if the studios or the original photographers ever made any kind of comment on the art.)
― nabisco (nabisco), Sunday, September 24, 2006 4:32 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Well, jury's still out on this vis a vis the Shepard Fairey case, no?

pithfork (Hurting 2), Saturday, 9 January 2010 20:49 (fifteen years ago) link

five months pass...

Andy Warhol: The Last Decade at Brooklyn Museum is surprisingly good. I mean it's obviously one of those underfunded small museum shows where they try to find a way of using a big name to bring in the audience but with easier to get, lesser-known works. But in this case it was quite refreshing to see something besides mao, elvis, madonna, flowers, brillo boxes, etc.

Warhol became sort of more expressive, if winkingly so, late in his career, turned more to abstraction, and painted jesus a good bit too. His piss paintings are also quite good (he urinated on some kind of metallic paint that reacted with the acidity of the urine) and prompt the thought that Warhol even pisses better than most people.

surfer blood for oil (Hurting 2), Sunday, 4 July 2010 02:14 (fourteen years ago) link

read about it, will go

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 4 July 2010 02:36 (fourteen years ago) link

oh, ha, I wrote madonna, meant monroe

surfer blood for oil (Hurting 2), Sunday, 4 July 2010 02:45 (fourteen years ago) link

Didn't Warhol actually get someone else to piss on the paintings?

ninjas and lasers and gold and (snoball), Sunday, 4 July 2010 07:50 (fourteen years ago) link

Well he did get someone to do most all work for him, so...

Those piss paintings, though, are great.

Tonight I Dine on Turtle Soup (EDB), Sunday, 4 July 2010 14:12 (fourteen years ago) link

"Before I was shot, I always thought that I was more half-there than all-there - I always suspected that I was watching TV instead of living life. Right when I was being shot and ever since, I knew that I was watching television."

surfer blood for oil (Hurting 2), Sunday, 4 July 2010 18:25 (fourteen years ago) link

is that from "from a to b and back again"? that book is truly great.

jed_, Sunday, 4 July 2010 19:57 (fourteen years ago) link

four months pass...

I feel like this belongs on a Warhol thread: Snoop Dog will be among the guests at Prince William's wedding. I find it extemely interesting that there were no pop stars at Truman Capote's famous black-and-white ball in '66--no Beatles, no Dylan, no Jagger, nobody. There was still that wall between those two worlds. (With people like Warhol himself in the process of knocking it down.) We're a long, long way away from that moment.

clemenza, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:04 (fourteen years ago) link

eleven years pass...

Saw a copy of his Diaries at Oxfam. Is it worth getting a copy?

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 1 February 2022 19:55 (two years ago) link

Absolutely. It’s one of the funniest books I’ve ever read. It’s a priceless social chronicle as well as the best insight into Warhol’s psyche that we’ll ever get.

Josefa, Tuesday, 1 February 2022 20:30 (two years ago) link

Should be noted that the first edition had no index. Spy magazine created an index for it that was then included in subsequent editions of the Diaries.

The index is hilarious in itself, and extremely useful for locating specific anecdotes etc.

Josefa, Tuesday, 1 February 2022 20:36 (two years ago) link

I read a lot of it an absolute age ago when I got it from the library when I was textile design student. The memory of it that stuck with me was him aghast at how some of his crowd can go through so much speed when he feels like he's speeding off his head after a micro dose from a diet pill. And how it was the ruin of Andrea Feldman.

calzino, Tuesday, 1 February 2022 20:50 (two years ago) link


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