Can ILE even begin to approach this issue at present?
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 1 July 2004 13:40 (twenty-one years ago)
― Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Thursday, 1 July 2004 13:44 (twenty-one years ago)
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 1 July 2004 13:47 (twenty-one years ago)
Saying that, I think treating utilitarianism as a solid philosophical base to build a rigourous moral or ethical system on is asking for trouble, and that the notion of animal rights is deeply suspect.
― Ricardo (RickyT), Thursday, 1 July 2004 13:49 (twenty-one years ago)
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 1 July 2004 13:51 (twenty-one years ago)
― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 1 July 2004 13:52 (twenty-one years ago)
― Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Thursday, 1 July 2004 13:58 (twenty-one years ago)
― Matt (Matt), Thursday, 1 July 2004 13:59 (twenty-one years ago)
― Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Thursday, 1 July 2004 13:59 (twenty-one years ago)
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 1 July 2004 14:01 (twenty-one years ago)
― John Stuart Spock (daveb), Thursday, 1 July 2004 14:02 (twenty-one years ago)
x-post
― Matt (Matt), Thursday, 1 July 2004 14:03 (twenty-one years ago)
By the way, isn't it already legal for parents to abort an severely disabled child if they so choose, at least back here it is.
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 1 July 2004 14:06 (twenty-one years ago)
Peter Singer does not write or defend animal rights. He bases his opinions on animal welfare issues.
Overall I'd say he's classic, but I disagree with some of the things he raises.
― C-Man (C-Man), Thursday, 1 July 2004 14:12 (twenty-one years ago)
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 1 July 2004 15:45 (twenty-one years ago)
― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 1 July 2004 18:33 (twenty-one years ago)
― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 1 July 2004 18:45 (twenty-one years ago)
Note that in the Bill of Rights we have crated an un-democratic citadel of individualism past which democracy must never go. Traditional Christian individualism (imortal soul)has long been a moral bulwark against mere utility but I fear, (especially as an atheistic agnostic)that this will soon no longer be the case. I say 'I fear' because I am attached to the idea of not being 'voted off the island' except for serious crimes and not just for the convenience of the greatest number.
― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 1 July 2004 18:55 (twenty-one years ago)
Yeah, that's one way of looking at it. But entertain, for a moment, the possibility that we've been living out our lives at the bottom of another slippery slope, one that says all human life is sacred and all non-human life is disposable. Cruelty laws don't begin to address the lifelong agony of most farm animals, for instance.
As the article puts it: "When Singer compares severely disabled babies to animals, he seems - out of context - to be insulting the disabled. In fact, he is trying to make us take cows and pigs and dogs far more seriously."
― Pete Scholtes, Friday, 2 July 2004 02:57 (twenty-one years ago)
We ought to prevent what is bad when we can do so w/o sacrificing anything of comparable moral signifigance.
From this he concludes that one is morally required to give nearly all of their surplus monies and/or energy to the poor and suffreing in third world countries. Of course, he admits he doesn't even follow this himself, but it remains a provocative argument.
― artdamages (artdamages), Thursday, 18 November 2004 10:11 (twenty years ago)
if you're a teacher, good to remember these every time you read your own student evaluations:
http://critical-theory.com/rate-professor/?utm_source=feedly
Peter Singer is not necessarily a critical theorists, but he is well known in the community as an object of their contempt. Through his defense of utilitarianism, he has received scorn from critical theorists, disability activists, and other animal liberation advocates.
I’m not sure who is more of a douche, Peter Singer or this next commenter.
His inability to comprehend the logic of Chapter 6 of Francione’s “Introduction to Animal Rights” indicates a severe weakness in Singer’s analytical abilities. Perhaps Singer failed logic class. He lacks solid reasoning skills and should be shun (sic)
This next commenter missed a great opportunity for a quality pun like, “He’ll Sing you to sleep,” zing!
He is highly overrated. His ideas are pretty radical but you’d never know because he presents them soooo blandly. Don’t be fooled by the name…Peter Singer will put you to sleep!
I don’t think this next person understands how academia works.
This man does not belong in Academia. Very wierd ideas. Not recommended
― j., Tuesday, 10 September 2013 01:31 (eleven years ago)
I remember getting the impression he was talking about animals, using babies as arguments rather than talking about babies by comparing them to animals. But that was a long time ago.
― I have gathered no gaudy flowers of speech in other men's gardens (dowd), Tuesday, 10 September 2013 01:45 (eleven years ago)
Animal Liberation so completely convinced me that veganism was the only ethical choice that I gave up on ethics
― #fomo that's the motto (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 10 September 2013 01:45 (eleven years ago)
it's hard to do at first
you just have to keep reminding yourself about all the suffering you're no longer experiencing by giving it up
― j., Tuesday, 10 September 2013 01:49 (eleven years ago)
??
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 10 September 2013 03:29 (eleven years ago)