What is it about American college football and the deifying of its coaches?

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I mean, what about that particular sport somehow causes cult of personalities to built around the coaches of particular teams? why just college, and not pro? why college football, and not college basketball?

Just think: Bo Schembechler, Joe Paterno, Lou Holtz(or almost anybody at Notre Dame for long enough), Bear Bryant, Tom Osbourne, etc.

Why is this? does it have to do with the popularity of football during the early/mid-parts of the 20th century, when radio and then television became popular mass-media venues?

Kingfish von Bandersnatch (Kingfish), Friday, 16 July 2004 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

fuck, i should have started this thread on a monday morn.

oh well. i'll just bump it then, i guess.

Kingfish von Bandersnatch (Kingfish), Friday, 16 July 2004 21:12 (twenty-one years ago)

oh yeah, and for some reason, college football is one of the few televised sports I can actually tolerate and watch.

college hockey and pro hockey in the playoffs are the others.

Kingfish von Bandersnatch (Kingfish), Friday, 16 July 2004 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)

holtz doesn't belong anywhere near that list really (thought they do really really love him in columbia now)(or did until the cocks came back to earth)

cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 16 July 2004 21:14 (twenty-one years ago)

okay, then strike him off the list.

still, plenty of others.

Kingfish von Bandersnatch (Kingfish), Friday, 16 July 2004 21:16 (twenty-one years ago)

1) football is by far the most popular sport in america

2) for most of the country college football is king, even if only by default)

3) college football ties to community go back ALOT further than pro football - pro football doesn't pass college in popularity til post merger. that ain't even forty years ago.

4) head coaches the ONLY constant - players play at most four seasons, assitant coaches move on if the programs any good.

5) in areas where college basketball is more popular than college football - north carolina, indiana, kentucky - those coaches get deified as much as any coach. the only coach i can think of who's approached the reverence bear bryant had among bama fans is dean smith. dukes fans don't sit around stewing about the day steve spurrier left, but if coach k had took the lakers job them fuckers would've taken that shit to the grave.

6) college coaches seems to have a level of activity and corresponding visibility in the community that's considerably higher than any pro coaches i can think of.

cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 16 July 2004 21:26 (twenty-one years ago)

corresponding visibility in the community

how so?

Kingfish von Bandersnatch (Kingfish), Friday, 16 July 2004 21:29 (twenty-one years ago)

for example i wouldn't be shocked at all if bob stoops (oklahoma) was still coaching there in thirty years whereas i have a hard time picturing ANY nfl coach still coaching the same team in just ten years.


xpost - just standard charity work, dinners, etc. - i can think of dozens of charity events mark richt is involved with, visibly. i can't really recall any dan reeves things. obv. this is a result of college coach deification, but it feeds into at well also.
it should be remembered too that college players are recruited which means 1) these coaches are going into peoples homes, forming relationships. over twenty, thirty years that's alot of home cooking. and 2) the team itself is by and large (even with yr premiere national programs like miami, fsu, oklahoma, usc now) comprised of local players, not even remotely the case with pro teams where maybe a team will draft/sign a local favorite son to juice ticket sales but most likely any geographical connection between a player's hometown and his proteam is pure chance. ie. it's much much more likely that a player for the georgia bulldogs went to my high school than it is that a player for the atlanta falcons did.

cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 16 July 2004 21:40 (twenty-one years ago)

why college football, and not college basketball?

hoosier teeny (teeny), Friday, 16 July 2004 21:40 (twenty-one years ago)

sorry, there should have been a *head explodes* in there.

hoosier teeny again (teeny), Friday, 16 July 2004 21:43 (twenty-one years ago)

OH MY GOD call a doctor! teeny's head has exploded again!

Kingfish von Bandersnatch (Kingfish), Friday, 16 July 2004 21:48 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah see like her! although i'm trying to think if i left out any states where college hoops is more popular (not counting northeast states which never count when talking about college sports really)(i mean maybe there've been years when umass hoops was bigger than b.c. football or whatever but really what those folx care about is the red sox, celtics, bruins, pats, etc. college sports way down the list)(is jim boeheim 'deified' in ny state? how revered was carnesseca?)(although i will say as, um exception that proves the point or whatever - "when in rome" - that i do wonder if any proteam in connecticut could surpass the huskies in popularity).

cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 16 July 2004 21:49 (twenty-one years ago)

the closest you can find to the aura college football (and occasionally hoops) coaches have in rural (ha - "red") america in metroamerica are local announcers, although i'm not even sure if the reverence for vin scully could hold it's own against just the deification of jeff bowers (nevermind joepa). people in cities have other things to do (get mugged, go to the opera, etc.)( < / david brooks >).

cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 16 July 2004 21:56 (twenty-one years ago)

>>>corresponding visibility in the communityhow so?

Alan Conceicao, Sunday, 18 July 2004 01:46 (twenty-one years ago)

where's miccio (penn state alum) when his perspective might be useful?

the college football craze kinda escapes me, but i think that that's b/c of geographical quirks. if, like me, you grew up in central new jersey and had the choice of rooting for (a) intermittently good and exciting pro football franchises (the giants, the eagles, the jets -- with TWO bonafide rivalries [giants-eagles, giants-jets] betwixt 'em); or (b) the football teams of the 2 big local colleges, neither of which were exactly athletic powerhouses (rutgers and princeton); then choice (a) will win every time. especially so if, like me, you ended up doing yer undergrad at one of those 2 colleges w/ perpetually shitty football teams.

i didn't really get a taste of the strength of college athletics till i spent time at villanova -- where rollie massimino is STILL revered (TWENTY YEARS after the fact) and the villanova/temple match-up IS apparently a viable rivalry. not to mention the juju coming offa st. joseph's basketball exploits.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 18 July 2004 02:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I liked the old AFL and NFL in their separate entities.

In Vermont we only have division 3 college football which makes me a Notre Dame fan by default at the national level.

jim wentworth (wench), Sunday, 18 July 2004 02:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, football has a tradition of subverting personal will to become a cog in a machine -- the coach becomes All Powerful; and because of the helmets, the only one whose face you see is that of the coach.

TheRealJMod (TheRealJMod), Sunday, 18 July 2004 02:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Rawr. What the hell happened to my reply?

Anyways, what I was going to say was that Joe Paterno's such a intricate part of the Penn State community, he leaves his home phone listed in the phone books of Penn State (its even been brought up on ESPN).

- Alan

Alan Conceicao, Sunday, 18 July 2004 03:18 (twenty-one years ago)

In classic Freudian sports theory, a "Coach Complex" stems from a male childhood fixation on being punished by parents or parental figures for playing with your testicles in public. As the individual develops, this unconcious shame translates into playing professional sports involving playing with balls in front of crowds. the Coach becomes a surrogate god/parental figure, dispensing reward or punishment at will.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 18 July 2004 04:34 (twenty-one years ago)

cinniblount OTM (although I thought he was even more OTM when I read "corresponding visibility" as "corresponding virility")

spittle (spittle), Sunday, 18 July 2004 04:42 (twenty-one years ago)

What is it about American college football and the deifying of its coaches?

I'd say it's the result of a heady coctail of crushing ennui and stupidity.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 18 July 2004 13:37 (twenty-one years ago)


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