World Wars III, IV, and V

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Is anyone else nervous about Israel's saber-rattling over Iran's nuclear program, as well as its recent actions against Lebanon, and threats toward Syria? Of course, even without potential conflicts between Israel and Iran and/or Syria and Lebanon, the ripples in the Arab and Muslim world to recent Israeli action against the Palestinians, and recent U.S. policy toward Israel, are seriously pushing toward the Osama bin Laden/Samuel Huntington Islam vs. "Christendom" scenario.

Meanwhile, there is even talk about a possible U.S. conflict with China (!) if Chinese troops attack Taiwain (a situation that, frankly, I know hardly anything about).

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 21 July 2004 03:24 (twenty-one years ago)

how about Israel's recent saber-rattling towards France?!?!?

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 03:28 (twenty-one years ago)

ps. it's probably been US policy since '49 to attack China if the latter attacks Taiwan.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 03:29 (twenty-one years ago)

pps. the Palestinians seem to be good at fucking up each other right now, they don't need Israel's help. Though maybe finally the smug fucks in D.C. have realized by now that Arafat has hardly any control, esp. in Gaza.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 03:32 (twenty-one years ago)

China, U.S. Hold Major War Exercises
NewsMax Wires
Wednesday, July 21, 2004

The Chinese are conducting major amphibious military operations on mainland-controlled islands in the Taiwan Strait. Simulating an all-out invasion of Taiwan, the publicized war games mass an estimated 18,000 Chinese troops in complex air, land and sea maneuvers that will last a week and shadow a U.S. exercise, “Summer Pulse 2004,” itself an impressive military evolution of seven aircraft-carrier strike groups.


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The U.S. exercise, which is global in scope, also involves 50 warships, 600 aircraft and 150,000 troops, and has been described as one of the biggest military exercises ever staged.

Although military officials claim Summer Pulse is aimed at increasing preparedness for any global crisis, not specifically the China-Taiwan issue, analysts see the concurrent war games as mutual saber-rattling -- suggesting that rising hostilities across the 100-mile-wide Taiwan Strait may have reached a critical juncture, according to a report in the LA Times.

“Beneath our notice, as the world watched North Korea, the conventional conflict between China and Taiwan could now be well on the way to breaking out into something more serious,” said Andrew Tan, a security expert at the Institute of Defense and Strategic Studies in Singapore.


“The largest naval exercise the United States has ever held is meant to send a direct signal to the Chinese, Tan added. “It’s gunboat diplomacy and its point is to warn China not to step over the mark when it comes to Taiwan.”


For its part, Beijing considers Summer Pulse an act of intimidation, according to recent editorials in government-run newspapers. The Chinese also responded angrily to a U.S. congressional resolution last week reaffirming a promise to supply arms to Taiwan. That resolution also expressed concern about China’s deployment of 500 missiles directed at Taiwan.


However, some China experts in the U.S. say too much is being read into the tea leaves.


“There’s been an overreaction by a lot of different groups that somehow these two long-planned military exercises are somehow related to one another or underscore some kind of latent conflict or confrontation between the United States and China,” said Bates Gill, a China watcher at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington. “I don’t think that’s the case.”


Furthermore, Jonathan Pollack, chairman of the strategic research department at the Naval War College in Newport, R.I., said: “If ever there was a case of mixing apples and oranges, this is it.”


For sure, there are going to be a lot of leagues of open sea separating elements of the two exercises:


“In terms of striking distance from China, the USS Kitty Hawk is the only ship currently operating in that area of responsibility,” said Capt. Tom Van Leunen, a spokesman for U.S. Fleet Forces Command in Norfolk, Va. He said the Kitty Hawk was stationed in Japan. “And I can’t say how close that ship will get to the coast of Taiwan.”


Although Chinese media reported that Taiwan’s military would participate in the U.S. exercises, a U.S. military spokesman said that while several foreign nations, including Britain and Canada, were taking part in Summer Pulse, Taiwan was not among them.


Bejing has targeted 2020 as the year for reunification.

Source. (I just grabbed the first appropriate item in a Google news search, so this is not the only possible source.)


hstencil, I think the France-Israel thing will blow over pretty quickly.

I don't know the history of Taiwan in relation to China, sadly. I did recently read something that suggested the U.S. policy of defending Taiwain is not something new; it's just that a Chinese attack seems more likely at the moment.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 21 July 2004 03:34 (twenty-one years ago)

The U.S. exercise, which is global in scope, also involves 50 warships, 600 aircraft and 150,000 troops, and has been described as one of the biggest military exercises ever staged.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 21 July 2004 03:36 (twenty-one years ago)

where in the world is North Korea?

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 03:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Although the article does say that some commentators state this is not the end of the world.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 21 July 2004 03:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it's a mountain being made out of a molehill. The current China-Taiwan-US situation, even with these exercises, is not as tense as it was more recently during the Clinton admin (Chinese long-range missle tests over the Strait) or the Bush admin pre-9/11 (American surveillance plane captured by the Chinese). A Chinese attack is not more likely now than those times, surely. Both China and the US continually bluster about every two years or so over Taiwan, but there's been a lot of China-US cooperation on many issues - North Korea and terrorism chief among them - since 9/11.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 03:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Those pictures of Beijing which ran in the NY Times mag section a few weeks ago came up recently with a friend who works for a network news program and had just been to Beijing. She said her reaction was, "well, this is pretty much the next superpower." 1 billion people, rising economy, nuclear power.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 04:53 (twenty-one years ago)

i believe bush said recently that he supported "boarders remaining the same" or something to that effect leading into taiwan's recent vote.

from what i remember about taiwanese history - taiwan became part of china (kindof) after ww|| when the japanese were driven out. before japanese occupation the island was run/occupied by a revolving door of europeans and fleeing chinese nationalists.

dyson (dyson), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 05:01 (twenty-one years ago)

that's correct. toward the end of the civil war, the nationalists began fleeing to taiwan, eventually establishing a military dictatorship there after the communist victory on the mainland, and vowing the continue the fight from the island (this rhetoric of "reclaiming the mainland" was only abandoned, to my knowledge, in 1987 with the end of the dictatorship).

a PRC invasion of taiwan seems so farfetched. i think the rhetoric of reunification serves the PRC's purposes for the moment.

amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 05:09 (twenty-one years ago)

"establishing a military dictatorship there after the communist victory on the mainland"

i should say concurrent

amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 05:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Bates Gill = worst pseudonym for Bill Gates ever.

Girolamo Savonarola, Wednesday, 21 July 2004 05:47 (twenty-one years ago)

China is going to beat us at our own game i.e. capitalism. They are now only 2nd to the US (and closing) in the influx of foreign investment. China is probably going to pass Japan within a few years as the second largest economy in the world.

They won't need to take Taiwan by force, as their economy is so shaky, they will eventually need to come to closer relations in China.

Don't forget those US missiles in Yugoslavia that hit the Chinese embassy because of...you got it, faulty intelligence (i.e. message delivered).

earlnash, Wednesday, 21 July 2004 14:34 (twenty-one years ago)

six years pass...

I haven't had time to read this yet but
The Road to World War III - The Global Banking Cartel Has One Card Left to Play
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=21221

popular music is destroying our youth (CaptainLorax), Thursday, 7 October 2010 06:15 (fifteen years ago)


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