the interesting thing was how much of it was a current meaphor of intellgenice, w. allen tying to find the truth about governments secerts and another, ugly, fat, white, bad suited, (obv. republican) agent got money from russian oil, said things like i am a patroit and wanted to "liquidate" the assisan because he might have know things about said dirty deals.
the actor looked like dick cheney with hair, and the oil company was called pukev (shades of yukov--sp)
the ethical nature of the cia, what they did to bourne and the implications of that was not approached in the movie directly, but hinted at thru the obv. ptsd amensia that bourne had, and julia stiles having a line about the mental health effects of the work.
(speaking of stiles--there was a scene w. him and stiles in a train utility room, which looked standard man beating up standard women, action movie misogyny, until he loses it, on the cusp of sanity, and you have no which way to tell how he will react)
car chase in moscow that ends the movie, catastrophic and true, no fancy balachine with buicks, just a hard death to the end of a hard movie)
― anthony, Saturday, 24 July 2004 02:51 (twenty-one years ago)
― lyra (lyra), Saturday, 24 July 2004 04:49 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dan I. (Dan I.), Saturday, 24 July 2004 05:54 (twenty-one years ago)
― cinniblount (James Blount), Saturday, 24 July 2004 06:17 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dan I. (Dan I.), Saturday, 24 July 2004 06:22 (twenty-one years ago)
― anthony, Saturday, 24 July 2004 06:27 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 24 July 2004 11:23 (twenty-one years ago)
― spittle (spittle), Saturday, 24 July 2004 18:49 (twenty-one years ago)
― spittle (spittle), Saturday, 24 July 2004 18:52 (twenty-one years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 24 July 2004 19:09 (twenty-one years ago)
― cinniblount (James Blount), Saturday, 24 July 2004 19:11 (twenty-one years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 24 July 2004 19:14 (twenty-one years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 24 July 2004 19:15 (twenty-one years ago)
At the very least, a movie audience brutalized by dumb, loud and cynical blockbusters can always stand to be reminded of what vibrant, intelligent and sincere popular filmmaking looks like. -- A.O. Scott, NYT
Watching Raimi and his writers cut between the story threads, I savored classical workmanship: The film gives full weight to all of its elements, keeps them alive, is constructed with such skill that we care all the way through. In a lesser movie from this genre, we usually perk up for the action scenes but wade grimly through the dialogue. Here both stay alive, and the dialogue is more about emotion, love and values, less about long-winded explanations of the inexplicable... -- Roger Ebert
Which is to say that "Spider-Man 2" may be the most internalized superhero vs. monster movie ever made. Though buildings crumble, an arachno-man swings, an octo-man crushes and the earth trembles, it's really about what's going on inside, where each of the antagonists mulls fate vs. character, wishes things were otherwise, wants more, settles for less, and generally carries on like Holden Caulfield walking around the East Side in that goofy hat all those years ago. -- Stephen Hunter, Washington Post
On the other hand, props to Charles Taylor in Salon:"Spider-Man 2" is too square to take that approach, and not imaginative enough to take any other. For a big-budget action movie "Spider-Man 2" is modest and not assaultive -- it has a boring decency.
― spittle (spittle), Saturday, 24 July 2004 19:35 (twenty-one years ago)
― spittle (spittle), Saturday, 24 July 2004 19:38 (twenty-one years ago)
As they should have. As a viewer, I did.
― David Allen (David Allen), Saturday, 24 July 2004 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)
― j.lu (j.lu), Sunday, 25 July 2004 00:13 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 July 2004 00:16 (twenty-one years ago)
aside from its untradtional narrative (task rather then charchter based) I gotta disagree with, just on the grounds that it's a definate popcorny throwback lacking pretention.
and I also gotta disagree with the manic editing. charge. I'm a total playa-hata when it comes to high-speed editing, and while this could be seen as the case in BS, I think it's more the case of quirky hand-held cinematography and the lack of lengthy scene-setting and lengthy pace-making that makes the film feel as frenetic as it does.
and total props to Damon who's really growing into himself. There're an awful lot of close profiles of Jay Bourne, and the character - and actor - has a face that's at once doe-eyed and hard-edged. As Bourne drives through Berlin at night, the traffic lights refracting off the raindrops on the car's windshield glance against the prep-school impertinancy of his cheekbones, and the shadows gouge deep ruts into his cheeks and offset the funny hardness at the end of his nose. It's easy to imagine Damon evolving into a Cagney-type.
And Brian Cox is, again, absolutely amazing.
― j e r e m y (x Jeremy), Sunday, 25 July 2004 03:28 (twenty-one years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 25 July 2004 14:48 (twenty-one years ago)
― j e r e m y (x Jeremy), Sunday, 25 July 2004 15:19 (twenty-one years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 25 July 2004 16:01 (twenty-one years ago)
I enjoyed the car chase, but it went on too long for me. The best bits were the things kept short-and-snappy (blowing up the house, fleeing across the traintracks).
― Sean M (Sean M), Sunday, 25 July 2004 19:11 (twenty-one years ago)
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Sunday, 25 July 2004 19:16 (twenty-one years ago)
and yeah, with brian cox the reveal was a bit... "so?"
― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 25 July 2004 19:56 (twenty-one years ago)
― cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 25 July 2004 20:22 (twenty-one years ago)
Funny thing is of course that I remember the miniseries based on The Bourne Identity shown back in the mid-1980s. Richard Chamberlain and Jane Seymour, how much more perfectly obvious could it get? I do recall one pretty good part where Chamberlain was firing a gun in just the right cold/machine manner of Bourne as a character from the books, though it seems Damon has that down far more believably.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 July 2004 22:34 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 July 2004 22:35 (twenty-one years ago)
― cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 25 July 2004 22:37 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 July 2004 22:38 (twenty-one years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 25 July 2004 23:03 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 July 2004 23:11 (twenty-one years ago)
― amateur!st (amateurist), Sunday, 25 July 2004 23:44 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 26 July 2004 00:30 (twenty-one years ago)
― amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 26 July 2004 00:32 (twenty-one years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 26 July 2004 01:34 (twenty-one years ago)
― amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 26 July 2004 01:39 (twenty-one years ago)
― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Monday, 26 July 2004 01:47 (twenty-one years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 26 July 2004 01:50 (twenty-one years ago)
― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Monday, 26 July 2004 01:59 (twenty-one years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 26 July 2004 02:02 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 26 July 2004 02:37 (twenty-one years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 26 July 2004 02:56 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 26 July 2004 03:21 (twenty-one years ago)
but salvation may be here in the form of http://www.dollarcinema.ca
― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:19 (twenty-one years ago)
― ENRQ (Enrique), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:26 (twenty-one years ago)
― amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:27 (twenty-one years ago)
i imagine some smart producer's eye was caught by "bloody sunday," or maybe matt damon put in a word. (is damon credited as a producer of this series? it wouldn't be unlikely.) anyway, it's common enough for the director of an impressive "indie" hit to be summoned by a major franchise (even sam raimi falls roughly into this category).
― amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:28 (twenty-one years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:29 (twenty-one years ago)
i'm sure the increasing chic-ness of multiplexes is part of it. although that's a chicken/egg question. were multiplexes pressed into offering more luxury by the high prices or were prices raised to accomodate such "advances"?
― amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:31 (twenty-one years ago)
― ENRQ (Enrique), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:33 (twenty-one years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:34 (twenty-one years ago)
― amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:35 (twenty-one years ago)
― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:37 (twenty-one years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:39 (twenty-one years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:39 (twenty-one years ago)
― ENRQ (Enrique), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:41 (twenty-one years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:42 (twenty-one years ago)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,1235145,00.html
― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:45 (twenty-one years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:47 (twenty-one years ago)
― ENRQ (Enrique), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:48 (twenty-one years ago)
!!!
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:48 (twenty-one years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:49 (twenty-one years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:50 (twenty-one years ago)
― Pete (Pete), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:52 (twenty-one years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:53 (twenty-one years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:53 (twenty-one years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:54 (twenty-one years ago)
― Pete (Pete), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:56 (twenty-one years ago)
In the U.S., depending on the deal made with the film's distributor, the theater pays 85 to 90 percent of the box office grosses for the first week or two of release, and a smaller percentage as the run goes on. The theater management has to pay operating expenses -- rent or mortgage, employees' salaries, utilities, etc. -- out of that portion of the gross that it gets to keep and the profits from the concession stand. (This is why movie theater popcorn and soda costs a fortune, and why they try to keep you from bringing in your own snacks.)
Theaters that are part of the really big chains get some breaks because upper management can negotiate for films based on the number of screens they command. However, they still have to cover their operating expenses from a rather small percentage of what you paid at the box office.
― j.lu (j.lu), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:58 (twenty-one years ago)
― Pete (Pete), Monday, 26 July 2004 14:02 (twenty-one years ago)
― ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 02:37 (twenty-one years ago)
oh that's the one about terrorists and football games no?
― amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 04:34 (twenty-one years ago)
(Yes, Blair Witch Project was pretending to be a film student documentary, so they could could hardly take steadicams into the woods.) But if you're not shooting Jurassic Park XXVII you don't need to pretend that the dinosaurs are on the march or there's suddenly been an earthquake and the whole area has gone loopy. If it hadn't been for the motherf***ing handheld camera, I would have appreciated The Bourne Supremacy for what it is -- an entertaining, well-crafted action flick, and by Hollywood standards remarkably respectful of character and pshychology.
― j.lu (j.lu), Sunday, 8 August 2004 21:31 (twenty-one years ago)
That said, I loved this one like I loved the first one; cold, european locations, no CGI jizz, and reality(Bourne hurts his leg, and he limps the rest of the way!). Yay for a real spy movie without superhuman heroics!
― derrick (derrick), Sunday, 8 August 2004 21:40 (twenty-one years ago)
the way the individual crashes in that chase were filmed was atypical: it was often a driver's POV so the sudden impact registered as a serious jolt, rather than external shots that would just register a bunch of cars banging into each other. so it was successfuly insofar as those kind of shocks kept coming. and i liked the absence of sentimental speechifying (except for the v. end, when it was pretty credible). and i always like matt damon. but i don't think it was some amazing piece of work or anything.
― ||amateur!st|| (amateurist), Monday, 9 August 2004 01:18 (twenty-one years ago)
― ||amateur!st|| (amateurist), Monday, 9 August 2004 01:20 (twenty-one years ago)
― jel -- (jel), Saturday, 14 August 2004 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)
the further i get from this movie, honestly, the less i like it. the script REALLY sucked.
― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 14 August 2004 16:50 (twenty-one years ago)
― m. (mitchlnw), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 23:14 (twenty-one years ago)
(SPOILER AHEAD)
When Franka Potente's character died, I was totally shocked. I was really looking forward to her becoming somewhat hardcore in her own right and kicking arse. Script-wise it's obvious why she needed to bite it. It gave Bourne an opportunity to completely flip out and use his skills to their fullest.
Speaking of which, I loved the way they had Bourne deal with violent conflict. The ruthless, uncompromising efficiency of his actions really did it for me. (esp that moment where he turns the customs situation on its head, early in the piece) Also the way they had him shot in the shoulder was a nice touch, and particularly well-played.
I'm very excited for the third film... bring that shit on.
― Andrew (enneff), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 00:54 (twenty-one years ago)
― m. (mitchlnw), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 09:25 (twenty-one years ago)
andrew, i agree, that was a great surprise. (i did miss her for the rest of the movie tho--i thought she brought something special to the first one)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 18:12 (twenty-one years ago)
― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 20 October 2004 18:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 18:18 (twenty-one years ago)
http://www.sergioleone.net/dj-10.jpghttp://www.bredalsparken.dk/~juliekretzschmer/assets/images/roger08.jpghttp://www.sign4me.de/film/film2/georgelazenby.jpg
― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 20 October 2004 18:29 (twenty-one years ago)
― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 18:33 (twenty-one years ago)
After Team America, I have a hard time seeing Matt Damon doing much else except sitting around and saying his name.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 18:38 (twenty-one years ago)
― to scour or to pop? (Haberdager), Monday, 5 February 2007 01:09 (nineteen years ago)
― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 5 February 2007 06:47 (nineteen years ago)
Kinda blew me away to discover that the actor that played the lanky Russian secret service agent antagonist is the same guy who played Eomer in the LOTR franchise.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 17 February 2016 21:47 (ten years ago)
Ah Jesus youd want to be spotting that.
PS don't watch star trek ur mind will be blown.
― Soon all logins will look like this (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 February 2016 00:25 (ten years ago)
also he was julius caesar in xena: warrior princess
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 18 February 2016 00:26 (ten years ago)