you need to see the bourne supremecy right now...like right fucking now

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aside from its untradtional narrative (task rather then charchter based), its short cut, dark colour, murkly light, paranoid pacing and almost manic editing. it also did not have the hollywood endings, the geewhiz spy shit was kept to a bare minimum and the acting was first rate (joan allen and matt damon)

the interesting thing was how much of it was a current meaphor of intellgenice, w. allen tying to find the truth about governments secerts and another, ugly, fat, white, bad suited, (obv. republican) agent got money from russian oil, said things like i am a patroit and wanted to "liquidate" the assisan because he might have know things about said dirty deals.

the actor looked like dick cheney with hair, and the oil company was called pukev (shades of yukov--sp)

the ethical nature of the cia, what they did to bourne and the implications of that was not approached in the movie directly, but hinted at thru the obv. ptsd amensia that bourne had, and julia stiles having a line about the mental health effects of the work.

(speaking of stiles--there was a scene w. him and stiles in a train utility room, which looked standard man beating up standard women, action movie misogyny, until he loses it, on the cusp of sanity, and you have no which way to tell how he will react)

car chase in moscow that ends the movie, catastrophic and true, no fancy balachine with buicks, just a hard death to the end of a hard movie)

anthony, Saturday, 24 July 2004 02:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Hi anthony
I should be seeing it tomorrow (need movie air conditioning because it's 95, yuck), so glad to know that it should be good. :-) I enjoyed the first one, and this one seems to have a lot of good reviews already.

lyra (lyra), Saturday, 24 July 2004 04:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I liked it. When they were in Russia I kept waiting for someone to get shot in a podyezd. That would have been perfect.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Saturday, 24 July 2004 05:54 (twenty-one years ago)

i luvved it, maybe more than the first (it's been awhile since i've seen the first), no clive owens this time round though so probably not. not an ounce of fat on it, the narrative was trad spyflick 101 - not quite sure what you're on about there anthony - with any deviations from a->b->c being when it focused on character. damon plays it lean, comes a helluva lot closer to being delon here than he did in ripley, joan allen is good, brian cox actually somewhat disappointing - less interesting replay of william stryker, i kept waiting for anna paquin and iceman to pop up during the confrontation scene. julia stiles gorgeous per usual, but when she was terrified (and that scene was kinda harrowing cuz it did seem very possible bourne would off her) she looked like an angry baby. the deaths actually felt like they mattered, i'd rathered it'd ended with him walking away in the snow in moscow after asking the girl to forgive him instead to the relatively glib ending that tacked on, but i guess they felt this made the better dooropener for the sequel (which i will see).

cinniblount (James Blount), Saturday, 24 July 2004 06:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Did they sort of rip that protest rally scene from Midnight in St. Petersburg?

Dan I. (Dan I.), Saturday, 24 July 2004 06:22 (twenty-one years ago)

i meant that the way things run now, everything has to have chaacthers and backstories and all that useless shit, this time it doesnt matter who's there, it matters what the action is...and i thot that the hole cat and mouse game worked better ending in ny then moscow.

anthony, Saturday, 24 July 2004 06:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I am rather glad that they didn't bother with the original story from the sound of it.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 24 July 2004 11:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I haven't seen it, but I have a feeling that this is gonna be like Spider-Man 2 for me: a potentially pleasant way to kill a little time, half-spoiled by silly overpraise that will force me to try to take it seriously in some way. Maybe I just shouldn't read reviews.

spittle (spittle), Saturday, 24 July 2004 18:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, are we so hard up that any competently executed action movie becomes some kind of cause for celebration? Competence is the least I expect for my 10 bucks. (I'm more reacting to the insane overestimation of Spidey 2, because like I say I've not been Bourned yet. So maybe that should go on another thread. I'm just getting the same feeling from some of the Bourne reviews.)

spittle (spittle), Saturday, 24 July 2004 18:52 (twenty-one years ago)

i thought it was good but i liked the first one better (esp. because of clive owen), but some good surprises and such. the handheld camera stuff worked sometimes, but for some of the action sequences it was just too much, made me nauseous (worked much better in bloody sunday)

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 24 July 2004 19:09 (twenty-one years ago)

are we so hard up that any competently executed action movie becomes some kind of cause for celebration? - um yes. i think the reason the first was such a hit was that it was a well executed action film with no fat or bullshit - no homophobic comic relief, no sadistic torture scenes just for the heck of it, no glib remarks made before someone offs someone else, no animal crackers on liv tyler's stomach, no invisible bmws, no cgi. in what ways did you take spiderman 2 seriously becuz of good reviews (and which good reviews??? the raves i've seen pretty much match your 'pleasant way to kill time') and how did this spoil your enjoyment? does taking something seriously make it difficult or impossible for you to enjoy other things?

cinniblount (James Blount), Saturday, 24 July 2004 19:11 (twenty-one years ago)

it's true though that i think a lot of reviewers overlooked spidey 2's many and glaring flaws just cuz it wasn't completely full of shit and had a good sense of humour

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 24 July 2004 19:14 (twenty-one years ago)

i watched the end of independence day on tv the other week and i couldn't BELIEVE how hilariously shitty and dumbass it was, it really made sam raimi look like an action savior

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 24 July 2004 19:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean Spidey 2 reviews like these:

At the very least, a movie audience brutalized by dumb, loud and cynical blockbusters can always stand to be reminded of what vibrant, intelligent and sincere popular filmmaking looks like. -- A.O. Scott, NYT

Watching Raimi and his writers cut between the story threads, I savored classical workmanship: The film gives full weight to all of its elements, keeps them alive, is constructed with such skill that we care all the way through. In a lesser movie from this genre, we usually perk up for the action scenes but wade grimly through the dialogue. Here both stay alive, and the dialogue is more about emotion, love and values, less about long-winded explanations of the inexplicable... -- Roger Ebert

Which is to say that "Spider-Man 2" may be the most internalized superhero vs. monster movie ever made. Though buildings crumble, an arachno-man swings, an octo-man crushes and the earth trembles, it's really about what's going on inside, where each of the antagonists mulls fate vs. character, wishes things were otherwise, wants more, settles for less, and generally carries on like Holden Caulfield walking around the East Side in that goofy hat all those years ago. -- Stephen Hunter, Washington Post


On the other hand, props to Charles Taylor in Salon:
"Spider-Man 2" is too square to take that approach, and not imaginative enough to take any other. For a big-budget action movie "Spider-Man 2" is modest and not assaultive -- it has a boring decency.

spittle (spittle), Saturday, 24 July 2004 19:35 (twenty-one years ago)

And how did the overpraise affect my enjoyment of the movie? Only in the sense that all the film's clunkiness and built-in dumbness irked me in ways they wouldn't have if I weren't aware of all the earnest huzzahs. Like I said, maybe I shouldn't read reviews.

spittle (spittle), Saturday, 24 July 2004 19:38 (twenty-one years ago)

it's true though that i think a lot of reviewers overlooked spidey 2's many and glaring flaws just cuz it wasn't completely full of shit and had a good sense of humour
-- s1ocki (slytus...), July 24th, 2004.

As they should have. As a viewer, I did.

David Allen (David Allen), Saturday, 24 July 2004 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)

*perks up* Clive Owen was in the first Bourne movie? *starts prepping to dash to the video store*

j.lu (j.lu), Sunday, 25 July 2004 00:13 (twenty-one years ago)

It's interesting to see this kind of post-Cold War spy franchise apparently work after things like The Peacemaker and more notoriously the Kilmerized Saint stayed as one-offs.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 July 2004 00:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I just got back from it ... was very happily surprised. Stephen Holden's review in the New York Times got me to see it (it's the weirdest goddamn review I've ever read; he compares it to, like, sweet potatoes with marshmallows) and I think a lot of the glowing endorsements are well-earned.

aside from its untradtional narrative (task rather then charchter based) I gotta disagree with, just on the grounds that it's a definate popcorny throwback lacking pretention.

and I also gotta disagree with the manic editing. charge. I'm a total playa-hata when it comes to high-speed editing, and while this could be seen as the case in BS, I think it's more the case of quirky hand-held cinematography and the lack of lengthy scene-setting and lengthy pace-making that makes the film feel as frenetic as it does.

and total props to Damon who's really growing into himself. There're an awful lot of close profiles of Jay Bourne, and the character - and actor - has a face that's at once doe-eyed and hard-edged. As Bourne drives through Berlin at night, the traffic lights refracting off the raindrops on the car's windshield glance against the prep-school impertinancy of his cheekbones, and the shadows gouge deep ruts into his cheeks and offset the funny hardness at the end of his nose. It's easy to imagine Damon evolving into a Cagney-type.

And Brian Cox is, again, absolutely amazing.

j e r e m y (x Jeremy), Sunday, 25 July 2004 03:28 (twenty-one years ago)

the editing wasn't manic, the camerawork was

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 25 July 2004 14:48 (twenty-one years ago)

(if anything i think it was under-edited)

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 25 July 2004 14:48 (twenty-one years ago)

OTM

j e r e m y (x Jeremy), Sunday, 25 July 2004 15:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I liked both the Bourne movies. I like spy-thrillers that don't resort to CGI and/or idiotic massive conspiracy. Keep the conspiracy relatively simple and the action quick and realistic looking and I'm a happy camper (I've even come to kind of like Matt Damon.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 25 July 2004 16:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought the film was totally stupid. It played like cliche after cliche, and while I liked Damon's sullen performance, everything else seemed drawn from a hundred previous films. Good cinematography, overenthusiastic camera-work (he's looking at a photo of a family! the camera is shaking!), dead script. The film had almost zero surprises - the fellow who is clearly a bad guy turns out to be a bad guy! the woman who is clearly competent turns out to be competent! matt doesn't kill the innocent girl!

I enjoyed the car chase, but it went on too long for me. The best bits were the things kept short-and-snappy (blowing up the house, fleeing across the traintracks).

Sean M (Sean M), Sunday, 25 July 2004 19:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Isn't it just as much of a cliche to reverse the cliches? Bad guy is really a good guy! Hero kills innocent! etc.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Sunday, 25 July 2004 19:16 (twenty-one years ago)

the flashbacks were indeed laaaaaaaaame

and yeah, with brian cox the reveal was a bit... "so?"

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 25 July 2004 19:56 (twenty-one years ago)

sean can you tell me another american spy flick that ends with the hero apologizing to the daughter of one of his hits? can you tell me another american spy flick where the hero kills innocent people and is ordered to do so by his superiors?

cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 25 July 2004 20:22 (twenty-one years ago)

$53.5 million opening weekend in US/Canada, good chunk of change. I'm guessing the franchise will hold steady for a while yet. Expense on the film was only $75 million too, clearly the minds behind this all know they've got a winner and how to make it work cheaply for good returns.

Funny thing is of course that I remember the miniseries based on The Bourne Identity shown back in the mid-1980s. Richard Chamberlain and Jane Seymour, how much more perfectly obvious could it get? I do recall one pretty good part where Chamberlain was firing a gun in just the right cold/machine manner of Bourne as a character from the books, though it seems Damon has that down far more believably.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 July 2004 22:34 (twenty-one years ago)

(Meanwhile, it is also noted that I, Robot only goes down one spot and Catwoman debuted at 3. Oops.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 July 2004 22:35 (twenty-one years ago)

haha - one of the local theaters had catwoman on TWO screens (the only other flix this summer they've had on two screens - spidey2, shrek2, harrypotter3) - WTF WERE THEY THINKING???

cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 25 July 2004 22:37 (twenty-one years ago)

That Dan had cloned himself and moved to Georgia, obv.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 July 2004 22:38 (twenty-one years ago)

53.5 not bad!

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 25 July 2004 23:03 (twenty-one years ago)

True indeed (also, go read my Cabell thread revive, Slocki, I think you will like the two samples I've quoted there).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 July 2004 23:11 (twenty-one years ago)

i liked the first one pretty well, i saw it in hawaii--it was the only thing playing beside "lilo & stitch." guess i'll see this one soon, but movies are so fucking expensive now ouch.

amateur!st (amateurist), Sunday, 25 July 2004 23:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm with you on that one. Even matinees. People wonder why I don't see films much anymore, well a good goddamn part of it is the freakin' expense.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 26 July 2004 00:30 (twenty-one years ago)

in paris i was usually able to see a movie--and the choices were much better obv, such that i wouldn't really have bothered to see this film if i were still there--for under 6 euros. here i'm lucky to spend less than nine dollars.

amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 26 July 2004 00:32 (twenty-one years ago)

6 euros = 9 dollars though!?!?! (Or at least it did when I was in Paris.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 26 July 2004 01:34 (twenty-one years ago)

well 6 dollars was the high end, and at least i got to see a movie i really wanted to see. in paris, at most independent theaters you can pick up passes which get you in for 4-5 euros. not to mention the forum des images which is 4.50 for an entire day of films.

amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 26 July 2004 01:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Here in Amory, the Twin Cinema (lovingly called the Twin Enema by old and young alike) recently raised their prices a whole dollar for evening shows, to $6, and 50 cents for matinees, to $4. And the bigger a movie is, the more likely they are to get it for opening day (all the LOTRs, Harry Potters, Spider-Mans, etc), weird for a little town of 6000. When they reopened after being closed for a while, both Tuesday and Weds. were bargain nights. The first LOTR opened on a Wednesday, so the whole family saw it on opening night for $10.50. Sometimes living in the sticks has its advantages.

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Monday, 26 July 2004 01:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't see where sitting through LOTR whatever the price can be described as advantageous (I saw the last one in Paris and the audience seemed as appalled the sheer awfulness of it as I was.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 26 July 2004 01:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Right, he's bragging...must cut him down to size somehow...

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Monday, 26 July 2004 01:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahahaha! Actually I think it is more insulting to ME that in the middle of one of the most cinematically rich cities in the world I PAID money to see the third part of a series which I already knew I disliked!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 26 July 2004 02:02 (twenty-one years ago)

You have noone to blame but yourself. And you could have happily given your showing experiences to me! ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 26 July 2004 02:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Well I could blame Peter Jackson for directing it and the studios for financing and marketing it and the actors for being generally terrible and whoever invented CGI for inventing it. But yeah seeing the third after the first two was pretty much my fault.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 26 July 2004 02:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Poor soul. Now then, I really must preorder the gift set that comes out in December...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 26 July 2004 03:21 (twenty-one years ago)

movie prices here are COMPLETELY INSANE and it only got worse (so much worse) when they closed down all the nice old cinemas in the city and replaced them with those big box pieces of shit.

but salvation may be here in the form of http://www.dollarcinema.ca

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:19 (twenty-one years ago)

anyone know how greengrass got to direct this? it's an odd 'un. enjoyed the last one well enough.

ENRQ (Enrique), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:26 (twenty-one years ago)

i wish i understood the business model of moviegoing a bit better. i.e. what has been driving movie tickets relentlessly upward for the past few decades. (did it start with tv? the end of the studio system/exploding salaries for well-known actors? some side effect of globalization? or just unrestrained greed?) i don't even quite understand the economics of art house and revival theaters, which in theory you'd think could charge less as rental fees for older films tend to be lower than those for brand new hollywood pictures. in paris the "art" cinemas do tend to be cheaper, but that's likely because they are often subsidized in part by the CNC (god bless the CNC).

amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:27 (twenty-one years ago)

anyone know how greengrass got to direct this?

i imagine some smart producer's eye was caught by "bloody sunday," or maybe matt damon put in a word. (is damon credited as a producer of this series? it wouldn't be unlikely.) anyway, it's common enough for the director of an impressive "indie" hit to be summoned by a major franchise (even sam raimi falls roughly into this category).

amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:28 (twenty-one years ago)

my feeling is that movie theatres got sick of making a tiny slice of the box office (and making most of their money from the concession stand) and effectively started price-fixing

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:29 (twenty-one years ago)

but if anything the business of film exhibition has become *more* volatile than before... with theaters closing in record numbers, etc.

i'm sure the increasing chic-ness of multiplexes is part of it. although that's a chicken/egg question. were multiplexes pressed into offering more luxury by the high prices or were prices raised to accomodate such "advances"?

amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:31 (twenty-one years ago)

It's interesting cos it tells you abt a) Hollywood and b) 'Bloody Sunday'. The 30th anniversary of Bloody Sunday was marked by two BIG TV dramas here--Greengrass', and one written by [forgotten name but he's very well-known, um]. The latter was probably more impressive as a film about Northern Ireland; the former was more of a festival success (more impressive as film, too). Brit TV directors don't usually meet with this kind of success.

ENRQ (Enrique), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:33 (twenty-one years ago)

they're probably an excuse to cut costs (less staff, less overhead with all the theatres concentrated in one location) and also an excuse to raise prices (new theatres look futuristic and they're loud, that sort of stuff doesn't pay for itself!)

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:34 (twenty-one years ago)

i read a REALLY bitter article by the guy who did the other bloody sunday movie in the guardian last month

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:34 (twenty-one years ago)

"dude totally ripped off my idea!"

amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm lucky I have a pretty decent quality dollar theatre nearby, since I like to see a lot of movies but most aren't worth $9.

Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:37 (twenty-one years ago)

he was all "yes the film is very accomplished but did he go and interview every single person who was there and is he a respected writer who makes a VERY NICE LIVING and agreed to do this project out of LOVE and for scale well is he? NO NO i didn't think so"

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:39 (twenty-one years ago)

The other "Bloody Sunday" movie (Sunday Bloody Sunday right?) was kind of supposed to suck though!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Sunday Bloody Sunday is a John Sclesinger film from 1971 or something, confusingly. The 'other' Bloody Sunday film was called 'Sunday' IIRC. Writer also did 'Cracker' and oh lots of things...

ENRQ (Enrique), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:41 (twenty-one years ago)

in bloody sunday 'sunday bloody sunday' is on the marquee of a movie theatre seen in passing

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:42 (twenty-one years ago)

here is that article by the way:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,1235145,00.html

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I actually thought they were BOTH called Sunday Bloody Sunday, but okay Sunday is what I heard was pretty eh. The Schlesinger film is good, but I get the impression it's sort of dated now.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:47 (twenty-one years ago)

wow, that is pretty full-blooded English empiricism-as-approach-to-drama there. fascinating -- exactly the kind of thinking that has made british cinema such a match for the french ahem cough splutter.

ENRQ (Enrique), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:48 (twenty-one years ago)

"Jimmy McGovern is giving his fee for this article to Knowsley Cancer Care"

!!!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:48 (twenty-one years ago)

i know, that's the kicker

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I AM GENEROUSLY GIVING 20 POUNDS TO CHARITY BECAUSE I CANNOT BEAR TO PROFIT FROM BICKERING IN PUBLIC WITH ANOTHER FILMMAKER

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Sunday Bloody Sunday is why Bloody Sunday is called Bloody Sunday.

Pete (Pete), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:52 (twenty-one years ago)

the movie or the day?

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:53 (twenty-one years ago)

ALSO I WILL SUBTLETY IMPLY THAT HIS FILM IS SHITE AND POLITICALLY SUSPECT BECAUSE TO STATE SUCH A THING DIRECTLY IS BAD MANNERS

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Before that it was Bloody Wednesday

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:53 (twenty-one years ago)

ALSO I WROTE CRACKER AND COULDA DONE ANYTHING AND THEY GAVE ME CHAMPAGNE WHILE PEOPLE CRIED

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:54 (twenty-one years ago)

The day. Sorry. And therefore the movie. But not the movie not called Bloody Sunday. Though you could see Sunday / Bloody Sunday as a double bill and people will think you say the Schlesinger....

Pete (Pete), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:56 (twenty-one years ago)

what has been driving movie tickets relentlessly upward for the past few decades.

In the U.S., depending on the deal made with the film's distributor, the theater pays 85 to 90 percent of the box office grosses for the first week or two of release, and a smaller percentage as the run goes on. The theater management has to pay operating expenses -- rent or mortgage, employees' salaries, utilities, etc. -- out of that portion of the gross that it gets to keep and the profits from the concession stand. (This is why movie theater popcorn and soda costs a fortune, and why they try to keep you from bringing in your own snacks.)

Theaters that are part of the really big chains get some breaks because upper management can negotiate for films based on the number of screens they command. However, they still have to cover their operating expenses from a rather small percentage of what you paid at the box office.

j.lu (j.lu), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:58 (twenty-one years ago)

85 - 90 percent seems a bit high, do they pay no VAT/Sales taxes? In the UK the split usually only rarely reaches 50 to the distributor (remember the tax as well). On a standard non-blockbuster, say Mean Girls , the split will be nearer 30 to the distributor and more for the cinema. Remember they are also paying rentals as well on the film.

Pete (Pete), Monday, 26 July 2004 14:02 (twenty-one years ago)

so it was pretty good. i really loved the first one actually. i was surprised by it. it had a weird sense of deliberateness and calm. as said above, the chaotic editing this time was sometimes effective (car chase, for the most part), and sometimes not.

ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 02:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Sunday Bloody Sunday is a John Sclesinger film from 1971 or something, confusingly.

oh that's the one about terrorists and football games no?

amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 04:34 (twenty-one years ago)

so americana, basically.

amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 04:34 (twenty-one years ago)

F***ing handheld cameras...who the hell likes them? What in f***ing hell is their purpose other than to make the audience sick to their f***ing stomachs?

(Yes, Blair Witch Project was pretending to be a film student documentary, so they could could hardly take steadicams into the woods.) But if you're not shooting Jurassic Park XXVII you don't need to pretend that the dinosaurs are on the march or there's suddenly been an earthquake and the whole area has gone loopy. If it hadn't been for the motherf***ing handheld camera, I would have appreciated The Bourne Supremacy for what it is -- an entertaining, well-crafted action flick, and by Hollywood standards remarkably respectful of character and pshychology.

j.lu (j.lu), Sunday, 8 August 2004 21:31 (twenty-one years ago)

YES! Everything was wonderful except the handheld camera. We got seats close to the screen, and the camera made it impossible to follow the action at times, because it was impossible to focus on anything. Buy a Stedicam, goddamnit!

That said, I loved this one like I loved the first one; cold, european locations, no CGI jizz, and reality(Bourne hurts his leg, and he limps the rest of the way!). Yay for a real spy movie without superhuman heroics!

derrick (derrick), Sunday, 8 August 2004 21:40 (twenty-one years ago)

eh, it was ok. the script was lazy: it built up this would-be intricate spy plot, and then resolved it really quickly and boringly to make time for the kickass car chase.

the way the individual crashes in that chase were filmed was atypical: it was often a driver's POV so the sudden impact registered as a serious jolt, rather than external shots that would just register a bunch of cars banging into each other. so it was successfuly insofar as those kind of shocks kept coming. and i liked the absence of sentimental speechifying (except for the v. end, when it was pretty credible). and i always like matt damon. but i don't think it was some amazing piece of work or anything.

||amateur!st|| (amateurist), Monday, 9 August 2004 01:18 (twenty-one years ago)

the tussle w/the other former assassin was definitely in the "tussle" mode as opposed to the intricate fight choreography mode, but i think it was really good example of the tussle mode. that fight was fucking mean.

||amateur!st|| (amateurist), Monday, 9 August 2004 01:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I saw this today. I think I should have watched the Identity again first, as I spent a lot of time trying to remember what happened in that. It was pretty good though.

jel -- (jel), Saturday, 14 August 2004 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

i wish that tussle had been a little easier to watch, because it was cool.

the further i get from this movie, honestly, the less i like it. the script REALLY sucked.

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 14 August 2004 16:50 (twenty-one years ago)

two months pass...
i really liked it. my (smart) friend (with discriminating) thought it was the best movie ever made. i'll perhaps post better thoughts when i'm not about to fall asleep. (but on a different tip, slock1 - i think its pretty fair to call some of the editing 'high speed' or 'manic' - the sequence where we're first introduced to the assassin featured some particularly heavy cutting - a car door slam moving us about two seconds ahead in time, the sharp cuts while he's climbing the stairs etc)

m. (mitchlnw), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 23:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I thoroughly enjoyed this film. I, for one, enjoyed the fact that the camera as always moving. I don't think there was a single still shot in the whole film.

(SPOILER AHEAD)

When Franka Potente's character died, I was totally shocked. I was really looking forward to her becoming somewhat hardcore in her own right and kicking arse. Script-wise it's obvious why she needed to bite it. It gave Bourne an opportunity to completely flip out and use his skills to their fullest.

Speaking of which, I loved the way they had Bourne deal with violent conflict. The ruthless, uncompromising efficiency of his actions really did it for me. (esp that moment where he turns the customs situation on its head, early in the piece) Also the way they had him shot in the shoulder was a nice touch, and particularly well-played.

I'm very excited for the third film... bring that shit on.

Andrew (enneff), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 00:54 (twenty-one years ago)

there's gonna be a third film? is there a third book? (btw above i left out the word 'taste' after 'discriminating')

m. (mitchlnw), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 09:25 (twenty-one years ago)

more spoilers!!!


andrew, i agree, that was a great surprise. (i did miss her for the rest of the movie tho--i thought she brought something special to the first one)

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 18:12 (twenty-one years ago)

It wasn't a suprise to me because every review I read mentioned it. To teach me a lesson. Fuckers.

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 20 October 2004 18:15 (twenty-one years ago)

There was a third book but wisely the filmmakers already have entrenched an Ian Flemingesque 'use the titles but do whatever else with the source text' approach.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 18:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Does that mean we get to see Matt Damon dressed up like this?

http://www.sergioleone.net/dj-10.jpg
http://www.bredalsparken.dk/~juliekretzschmer/assets/images/roger08.jpg
http://www.sign4me.de/film/film2/georgelazenby.jpg

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 20 October 2004 18:29 (twenty-one years ago)

http://jamesbond007.net/acteurs/Niven/David6.jpg

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 18:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Does that mean we get to see Matt Damon dressed up like this?

After Team America, I have a hard time seeing Matt Damon doing much else except sitting around and saying his name.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 18:38 (twenty-one years ago)

two years pass...
I've seen this movie once only, a while ago, and I just got a vivid flashback. Wow, does it age well.

to scour or to pop? (Haberdager), Monday, 5 February 2007 01:09 (nineteen years ago)

i fell asleep during BOTH bourne movies and don't remember anything about either of them

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 5 February 2007 06:47 (nineteen years ago)

nine years pass...

Kinda blew me away to discover that the actor that played the lanky Russian secret service agent antagonist is the same guy who played Eomer in the LOTR franchise.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 17 February 2016 21:47 (ten years ago)

Ah Jesus youd want to be spotting that.

PS don't watch star trek ur mind will be blown.

Soon all logins will look like this (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 February 2016 00:25 (ten years ago)

also he was julius caesar in xena: warrior princess

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 18 February 2016 00:26 (ten years ago)


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