O Boy! It's the Democratic National Convention!

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Let's discuss it, shall we?

― Symplistic (shmuel), Monday, 26 July 2004 06:55 (twenty-one years ago)

it's on the tivo. seven hours a night.

― teeny (teeny), Monday, 26 July 2004 09:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I get out of work early today, so I can get home before the streets are all closed! Hooray!

― j e r e m y (x Jeremy), Monday, 26 July 2004 10:51 (twenty-one years ago)

here's the schedule of speakers:
http://www.dems2004.org/site/pp.asp?c=luI2LaPYG&b=118014

― teeny (teeny), Monday, 26 July 2004 12:04 (twenty-one years ago)

check this:

technorati: politics
http://politics.technorati.com/

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 26 July 2004 12:10 (twenty-one years ago)

And it's being shown on BBC Parliament! So I can watch online...Yay! Really, though...

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 26 July 2004 19:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Canadian politics may be odd and strange and archaic in many ways, but in looking at events like the DNC here, I do believe it's a lot healthier. I know it's old hat to harp about the conflation of politics and entertainment, but is there any concrete difference between the DNC and Oscar night?

Perception is all that's being fought here; in the paper today: "The Kerry campaign announced yesterday that the convention will include a series of slickly produced video 'moments' showcasing Mr. Kerry as a man of compassion and character." There's something vaguely hyper-real about it all.

Oh, and Kerry's "This is the most important election of our lifetime" = Paul Martin's "This will be the most important election campaign in our history". How close are we all to the pomo point where nothing means anything anymore? We're there in Canada, at least in terms of political hyperbole. I mean, it was the most important election in Paul's career, which is now conflated with our history. We got 'Choose Your Canada' et al from a man who'd spent the last two years carefully cultivating no opinion at all on every major policy question to arise. Kerry seems to be cast in the same non-mold, from what I can tell. He means nothing, and therefore has to overstate everything as much as he possible can.

Maybe we're not any healthier, then. Political conventions are still decision making bodies in a functional, rather than technical sense, but there is the notable exception of the most recent Liberal convention. Paul Martin's ascencion to the leadership was predestined; he captured some 97 percent of the delegates, with his only remaining competition motivated by equal amounts symbolism and personal bitterness. Bono was the keynote speaker, matching Martin well, empty platitude for empty platitude. It meant NOTHING.

― derrick (derrick), Monday, 26 July 2004 20:55 (twenty-one years ago)

altho, to a lot of people, this IS "the most important election" and all that.

― Kingfish von Bandersnatch (Kingfish), Monday, 26 July 2004 20:58 (twenty-one years ago)

If you haven't yet - read the fantastic New Yorker profile by Philip Gourevich. It turned me from a milquetoast Kerry supporter to an avowed fan. Check check check it owt.

― j.e.r.e.m.y (x Jeremy), Monday, 26 July 2004 22:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Al Gore's on now!

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 26 July 2004 23:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Again, where was this Al Gore during the 2000 election?

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Monday, 26 July 2004 23:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I read today that among the delegates are jazz singer Kurt Elling (IL) and Everclear frontman Art Alexakis (OR)!

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 26 July 2004 23:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, Gore is a much better former candidate than a candidate.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 26 July 2004 23:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Jimmy Carter to thread...

Actually, I was underwhelmed by Gore's speech.

― dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 26 July 2004 23:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Proud Mary/ John Kerry is embarrasing.

― dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 26 July 2004 23:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Derrick OTM. Can someone explain to me the point of having all these cheesy speaches? Though maybe a better comparison than oscar night might be a giant summer camp style bonding experience...

― mouse, Monday, 26 July 2004 23:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Just the idea of political theme songs is fucking horrid. It's like, fuck, if you don't want the thing to be looked at as a horse race don't have theme music! Leave it for pro wrestlers and Darth Vader.

― Dan I., Monday, 26 July 2004 23:29 (twenty-one years ago)

That said I'm gonna fuckin slaughter the fund-raising stage with "Ironman" for my upcoming senate run.

― Dan I., Monday, 26 July 2004 23:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Stomping around like Godzilla and shit! I can see it now..

― Dan I., Monday, 26 July 2004 23:30 (twenty-one years ago)

The point of all these speeches is to help unite the party and to serve as a rallying cry for those millions of Democrats who find Kerry uninspiring.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 26 July 2004 23:31 (twenty-one years ago)

(I do wish these conventions still helped nominate the candidate, though.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 26 July 2004 23:38 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.usatoday.com/life/gallery/rappers/naughty.jpg

You down with DNC (Yeah you know me) 3X
Who's down with DNC(Every last demmy)
You down with DNC (Yeah you know me) 3X
Who's down with DNC (All the demmies)

― j.e.r.e.m.y (x Jeremy), Monday, 26 July 2004 23:50 (twenty-one years ago)

The point of all these speeches is to help unite the party and to serve as a rallying cry for those millions of Democrats who find Kerry uninspiring

No, the point is to make swing voters comfortable with the alternative

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 00:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Wouldn't it be neat if Kerry elected Carter to his cabinet?

― j.e.r.e.m.y (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 00:20 (twenty-one years ago)

All the male reporters I've seen have this little competitive edge in their voice when they mention Bill Clinton.

(Fave Clinton crit recently, Elaine Showalter on the autobiog: "I thought it was mixed. I was going up and down on it.")

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 00:24 (twenty-one years ago)

although while Judy Woodruff's "profile" of Hillary was just the greatest hits of negative Hillary press carmmed into 3 minutes

Mo Rocca is on!!!!!! CNN Intl rules suddenly!! agh they switched off of him!

weird how Dean's mic kept flickering on and off.. i think he's permanently spooked by the gods of electroacoustic amplification

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 00:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Whatever dumm guy on CNN Intl. just said "ok, we're going to send you back to Hong Kong" is just such a TEWL. he's throwing whatever mud he can, while pretending to just be HELPFULLY EXPLAINING the "issues," which to him are apparently that 1) the Democrats have been effective at raising money this year, with insinuations about Kerry's fortune, and by implication his wife i.e. "so, IRONICALLY, the party of the working man, the party of working families, the party that once DERIDED big money politics, is a very affluent party, and they're proud of it" ?? Certainly anyone would deride "big money politics" if asked to. Parties have always had money. It's what they do. They get people into power. WTF?? 2) A bunch of other stupid tactical "meta" shit that assumes the worst in people.

There's a bit about convention tunes now.. an opportunity lost to get into the psychodemographics of pop music, but it's good to hear "Elvira"

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 00:59 (twenty-one years ago)

did you know that franklin roosevelt was in fact very rich? just goes to show!

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 01:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Hypocrites!

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 01:06 (twenty-one years ago)

ok, can anyone confirm if jimmy carter actually said americans have no right to be angry about 9/11 and if this just shows that democrats were happy 9/11 happened?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 01:09 (twenty-one years ago)

fox news natch

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 01:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Gah the two CNN feebs just spent about 5 minutes talking about how conventions are good because the party gets their message out unfiltered.."and people can't say they haven't had a chance to hear that" YES WE CAN BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T SHUT UP. while the actual convention went on behind them. Oh god from here on out it's going to be people talking about "the issues" and why one person is "better on the issues" or wants to "talk about the issues" isn't it.

x-post I am in no position to confirm or deny thank god

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 01:10 (twenty-one years ago)

dumm guy: "last night Kerry was seen very visibly playing up how much he enjoyed a baseball game"

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 01:11 (twenty-one years ago)

which reminds me: hey world! muhfuhs like this currently run what is by far the most powerful country in the world! bend over and kiss yr ass goodbye!

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 01:11 (twenty-one years ago)

ugh i'm going to the gym - anyone wanna start the weathermen2: the reckoning call me in six months. fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 01:14 (twenty-one years ago)

"pretty girl allies"???

― tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 01:16 (twenty-one years ago)

i sort of want to murder her.

― caitlin hell (caitxa), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 01:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Who is that introducing Hillary?? He should have been played by Paul Sorvino (i.e. he is awesome!!)

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 01:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Do you think this is the way the PF imagines HRC talking to him in the sack?

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 01:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Her whine is like a razor

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 01:29 (twenty-one years ago)

and she sounds about 1000000000x more excited about Edwards

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 01:30 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.urbanoutfitters.com/images/us/local/products/productsall/p113473b.jpg

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 01:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh my, Tracer!

― tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 01:32 (twenty-one years ago)

if you think all this is funny, you should listen to Alan Colmes show, which the idiots at XM Radio put on the "AmericaLeft" channel at 10pm. he started the show by talking to some asshat reporter who "spent the day with some protesting anarchists. they were pierced, had mohawks...etc" and then decided to play sound bite of what sounded like chanting crusty punks...

― Kingfish von Bandersnatch (Kingfish), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 01:35 (twenty-one years ago)

haha fleetwood mac! good times yall!

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 01:37 (twenty-one years ago)

he's on, he's on!!

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 01:38 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm so on board!!

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 01:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Alex Kerry!

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 01:44 (twenty-one years ago)

kick ass

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 01:56 (twenty-one years ago)

men are crying

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 01:59 (twenty-one years ago)

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Ridge didn't grow up rich, but the guy's lived well above average for 20 years as far as most Americans would be concerned. He did some private law practice, was in the House for 13 years (Jan. 2004 salary - $158K), and was Governor for 6 (1997 salary above $100K, with annual CoLA increases to ~$140K after his tenure). Even if this weren't enough (and maybe it wouldn't be if he's been spending a lot on, for instance, expensive private high schools), I think it's reasonable to expect that he could easily pay off college and post-college loans through lobbying or consulting gigs and/or the lecture circuit following his government service. How much $ do you think Bernard Kerik makes? Would Ridge be comparable?

xpost: exactly. Edwards = hope; Kerry = help.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 30 July 2004 19:39 (twenty-one years ago)

The Republicans' mantra is "Mighty Mouse is on the way."

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 30 July 2004 19:40 (twenty-one years ago)

also, you get lots of expenses taken care of as House member, and while I can't say that I know that he didn't have housing expenses while Governor, he did have a mansion at his disposal

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 30 July 2004 19:42 (twenty-one years ago)

HAHAHAHA

ihttp://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/040730/ids_photos_ts/r4078133815.jpg

Celebrities (L-R) Sean 'P. Diddy' Combs, Leonardo DiCaprio, and Ben Affleck watch the 2004 Democratic National Convention from a luxury box inside the FleetCenter in Boston, July 29, 2004. Author Norman Lear is pictures to the right. The party faithful will hear Democratic presidential candidate Senator John Kerry (news - web sites) formally accept the nomination with his speech that will bring the four day convention to a close. REUTERS/Marc Serota US ELECTION

oh, this is a bad buddy pic just WAITIN' to happen.

― Kingfish von Bandersnatch (Kingfish), Friday, 30 July 2004 19:46 (twenty-one years ago)

let's try that again:

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040730/i/r4078133815.jpg

― Kingfish von Bandersnatch (Kingfish), Friday, 30 July 2004 19:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Gabbneb I'm totally with you. This is a funny thing to discuss. Surely we all agree that a person with salaries in that range could very easily send his kids to college without particularly overextending himself, especially if he, like most reasonable people, had been saving up for it since they were young. I think the point is that, well, if you could do like six months of work that would all at once allow you to just pay up front to send two kids to the absolute best schools in the nation, possibly you'd do it, even if just to save the few hours you'd have spent filling out loan paperwork or whatever.

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 30 July 2004 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

who cares why Ridge is leaving? Fuck him!

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 30 July 2004 20:03 (twenty-one years ago)

nabisco - sure. but no one ever believes any public official's family-based statement for a resignation. while that may well be unfair, there's probably a good reason for it. why the timing of not only the (potential, remember) departure but also the announcement? coming on a Friday after the convention is a good way to bury something, but it may have also been occasioned by the convention - an ambitious guy (talked up in 2000 and 2004 as a potential running mate) doesn't want his career dragged down by a loser. why wasn't he part of the Bush admin before 9/11?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 30 July 2004 20:10 (twenty-one years ago)

You mean you bring that photo in here, but not this?

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040730/capt.dnc22007300023.cvn_celebs_dnc220.jpg

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 30 July 2004 20:13 (twenty-one years ago)

best photo ever

Aren't you the woman recently given a Fulbright?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 30 July 2004 20:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Republican message = "a red hot poker for up yo' ass is on its way!"

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Friday, 30 July 2004 20:20 (twenty-one years ago)

from the nation (http://www.thenation.com/thebeat/index.mhtml?bid=1&pid=1652):

Kerry had his elegant moments, especially toward the close of the speech, when he announced that, "It is time to reach for the next dream. It is time to look to the next horizon. For America, the hope is here. The sun is rising. Our best days are still to come."

"Keep reaching for that rainbow. Fly high; like a bird in the sky. Let the sunshine in. We can build a brighter day, just you and me.

― amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 30 July 2004 20:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, sorry Gabbneb, I wasn't even thinking about that aspect of it: I thought we were just having a weird conversation about college costs. I agree that the perfectly-rational reasons people usually give for leaving office rarely reflect the real reasons, which is pretty much true of why anyone tells you they do anything.

― nabiscothingy, Friday, 30 July 2004 20:23 (twenty-one years ago)

seriously, can anyone besides al sharpton craft a speech with one central, coherent metaphor and stick with it?

― amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 30 July 2004 20:25 (twenty-one years ago)

it's just like riding a donkey

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 30 July 2004 20:32 (twenty-one years ago)

and they'll no doubt be re-issuing that song, only mixing in Sharpton samples

― Kingfish von Bandersnatch (Kingfish), Friday, 30 July 2004 20:34 (twenty-one years ago)

You heard it here first - in 2012, the Democratic party will become the party of the Burro

http://www.juanvaldez.com/menu/history/images/TheJuanValdezLogo-history-i.gif

The GOP will fight back by adopting the Vicuna

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 30 July 2004 20:37 (twenty-one years ago)

and debates would included DJs from each party having a mix-off against each other

― Kingfish von Bandersnatch (Kingfish), Friday, 30 July 2004 20:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Help the Children in 2012! Vote Democrat!

http://www.steelbeamtheatre.com/images/pinocchio002.jpg

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Friday, 30 July 2004 20:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Just watched the speech on line cause I'm cable-less. One thing I particulary liked was the rushed delivery, quieting the crowd's applause by moving on to the next point with alacrity. It made Kerry seem genuinely passionate about the ideas he wanted to communicate. Alot of convention speeches have these seemingly manufactured moments of prolonged applause beats. Everything flowed very nicely.

I'm not sure how I feel about the personal appeal to George W. to keep things positive. On one hand, it seems hypocritical when you've just criticized the guy, and criticism is certainly and integral part of a campaign. However it does serve as a kind of challange to Bush. The appeal for positivity is itself a negative tactic. Overall, I like this new aggressive confident democratic party.

― herbert hebert (herbert hebert), Friday, 30 July 2004 21:00 (twenty-one years ago)

back to the balloons:

...Stephen Jewett, a DNC official involved in podium operations, said there was no malfunction with the balloon drop. The balloons were timed to come down slowly, he said, making "for a longer ending, which was nice."

― Kingfish von Bandersnatch (Kingfish), Friday, 30 July 2004 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Of course Ridge is full of shit, getting a better paying job might be part of it but I think that "U R ALL GAY" would not be an acceptable term of resignation for anyone who might even halfway tender an idea of reentering the career field they are leaving (in this case, yes, politics). I just kind of find it a bit WTF that anyone would find his statement bizarre or weird or entirely disingenuous and that his kids should've gotten better grades or he should just send them to state schools or that he should be able to just pay for them with his salary doing...um...whatever the Homeland Security Secretary does (in another note, I feel like our government is about ten years away from appointing the Secretary of Silly Walks, what the hell are these positions? Even the name is kind of disgusting, "homeland"? Domestic or National not descriptive and fuzzy enough?). Like nabisco said: you have the ability to go, earn a shit ton of money as a contractor, and set your kids for life, this is not so good why?

I don't really care why he's really leaving, he indicated being weary of the goings on, what does anyone think that means? And as someone else kind of alluded to, pointing out the skyrocketing cost of American education isn't exactly a pat on the back for the Bush administration so hey, why not, let's let him plead the anti-private-loan case.

In other news, no one besides ten people, all on ILX, actually cares why Ridge wants out or probably is even aware he is leaving or possibly even knows who the hell he is, sadly (I include GWB in this group).

xpost I like longer endings, particularly when they involve copious usage of the word "FUCK".

― Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Friday, 30 July 2004 21:21 (twenty-one years ago)

You know, this totally has nothing to do with anything, but if Ralph Nader would simply promise every 20-30 year old male in America that, if they vote for him, he would make them Secretary of whatever they so choose, he'd win the election. "What are you the Secretary of?" "C'ing on the Ts." "Nice. I fucking love President Nader." You wouldn't even have to actually pay them. Maybe, like, $10 a year stipend or something.

― Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Friday, 30 July 2004 21:24 (twenty-one years ago)

in another note, I feel like our government is about ten years away from appointing the Secretary of Silly Walks, what the hell are these positions?

you'll be happy (?) to know that kucinich proposed a "federal department of peace."

― amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 30 July 2004 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/30/bush.issues/top.bush.rolls.up.sleeves.a.jpg

Bush has had some bad pictures taken today...

― TheRealJMod (TheRealJMod), Friday, 30 July 2004 21:54 (twenty-one years ago)

and the Daily Show bit where Kuci did a headstand in front a surpised/shocked-looking Samantha Bee will surely live forever...

― Kingfish von Bandersnatch (Kingfish), Friday, 30 July 2004 21:55 (twenty-one years ago)

The Federal Department of Peace?!?!?! Do we really need separate divisions for all of these items?

Seriously though, I find the term "Homeland Security Secretary" incredibly creepy. The word "homeland" has such old timey, feel-good connotations to me, like a bunch of ol' boys sitting on the porch trading WWII stories and talkin' about the gals, while the actual term has such bizarro surveillance state overtones...it puts an image in my head of some hideous Cerberus, except instead of having three dog heads, it's got Lincoln, Orwell, and Betty Fuckin' Crocker stuck up there. They really couldn't have come up with a less twee, patronizing word than "Homeland"?

― Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Friday, 30 July 2004 22:14 (twenty-one years ago)

"I'd like to introduce you to Secretary Ornaldo Bloomps, he is our Secretary of That Time That Isn't Really War But Isn't Quite Peace Because We're Still Working Out The Treaty But We Promise, Any Day Now, But In Any Event, The Homeland Is Not Threatened."

― Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Friday, 30 July 2004 22:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Why is that a bad picture, RealJ? Walker Texas Ranger is rolling up his sleeves, ready to put Kerry and Osama in their place!

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 30 July 2004 22:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Because he looks like he's imitating Ian Curtis in it?

― Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Friday, 30 July 2004 22:19 (twenty-one years ago)

"I'd like you to meet Commander Curtis. He is the head of the Department of Isolation."

I really shouldn't post to ILX after writing a massive paper on Wilsonian attacks on free speech and protest during WWI. My jokes are tasteless and my agitation high. I give myself 6.4/10.

― Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Friday, 30 July 2004 22:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Bush looks like he's bionic in that picture, pulling his prefab skin up on his arm to expose the circuitry. He's Maskatron!

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 30 July 2004 22:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Mein Führer, I can WALK!

― TheRealJMod (TheRealJMod), Friday, 30 July 2004 22:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha, maybe you're all right. Look at that limp wrist.

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 30 July 2004 22:30 (twenty-one years ago)

C'ing on the Ts!!!~ hoyl

― Ade (Adrian Langston), Saturday, 31 July 2004 02:26 (twenty-one years ago)

i have no where else to say this, but on tonight's "Real Time" show w/ Bill Maher on HBO, Michael Moore & Bill actually got down on their knees to big Ralph Nader(tonight's surprise guest) to pull out of the race.

Ralph wasn't having it.

― Kingfish von Bandersnatch (Kingfish), Saturday, 31 July 2004 02:52 (twenty-one years ago)

That sounds funny. I think John Mcenroe did something similar on his cnbc talk show when Ralph was on. Nader seems totaly unwilling to budge. He already met privately with Kerry and debated Howard Dean on NPR. I used to like Nader a lot until convinced I became of Bush's danger to civilization.

― herbert hebert (herbert hebert), Saturday, 31 July 2004 03:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Bush today: "When it comes to the economy and employment, results matter. When it comes to protecting our homeland security and fighting terrorism, results matter. Ansd when it comes to choosing a president, results matter."

??????!!

― Masked Gazza, Saturday, 31 July 2004 03:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Very large testicles, he has. Very large indeed.

― Kenan (kenan), Saturday, 31 July 2004 03:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I have similar feelings about the word "Homeland"; it has always reminded me of South Africa under apartheid.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Saturday, 31 July 2004 04:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I find the term "Homeland Security Secretary" incredibly creepy.

I just remember that during Bush's (mostly not bad, for him) immediate post-Sept. 11th speech to Congress, the second he said he was establishing a "Homeland Security" something-or-other (it wasn't a department at first...whatever it was), I heard the Big Bells of Doom go off. There was no way anything with that name was ever going to be anything but bad news. But it's a tricky bitch, because it'll be hard for any subsequent president (especially any Democratic president) to rename or disband the damn thing. I guess the best hope is in the Sept. 11th commission report -- you could implement a bunch of stuff from that and reorganize accordingly and get away from that horrible name.

― spittle (spittle), Saturday, 31 July 2004 06:03 (twenty-one years ago)

the odd thing is that folks were scrambling for this sorta thing in 2000, as al franken mentioned in his book, but i still wonder if the word "homeland" was used...

― Kingfish von Bandersnatch (Kingfish), Saturday, 31 July 2004 06:40 (twenty-one years ago)

results matter! its like he's a clorox ad or something.

"nothing but the best peanut butter for my nation."

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 31 July 2004 08:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Very large testicles, he has. Very large indeed.

No, quite the opposite. It's very easy to reject things when you've never been accepted. Look at his pathetic requests to be Dean's running mate, or to be given a speaking slot at the DNC.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 31 July 2004 14:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Gabbneb, I think that the testicle comment was made about Gazza's comment:

It takes balls to say all that when in fact, the economy, employment figures, terrorism fighting, and even choosing the president over the last four years have had very dismal results. Heh, I guess they do matter, after all.

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Saturday, 31 July 2004 17:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe Ridge is leaving (being forced out?) because he won't play along with crap like this?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 31 July 2004 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

"Intelligence reporting indicates that al Qaeda continues to target for attack commercial and financial institutions, as well as international organizations, inside the United States,"

and what comprises the MAJORITY of southern manhattan? feh.

― Kingfish von Bandersnatch (Kingfish), Sunday, 1 August 2004 02:36 (twenty-one years ago)

if the philadelphia inquirer is to be believed, then ralphie stiffed the philly street people he recruited to push petitions outta the money he promised them. forget those $10 stipends!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 1 August 2004 03:10 (twenty-one years ago)

what a dick

― Symplistic (shmuel), Sunday, 1 August 2004 03:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I guess he gave in - Orange Alert time (juxtaposition via dailykos)

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 1 August 2004 16:48 (twenty-one years ago)

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