James Cameron...Freemason?

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latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 06:30 (twenty years ago) link

How do I become a Freemason?
All you need do is to Ask.
For a Fraternity steeped in over four hundred years of tradition, you might think it is difficult to become a Mason.
It is. There is one major hurdle each candidate must pass.
They must ask.
Freemasonry in California accepts no one for membership unless they come of their own free will and accord, having already obtained a favorable impression of our Fraternity.
There are few other requirements. You must:
Be a man, over the age of 18.
Believe in a Supreme Being.
Live an ethical and moral life.
Have a strong interest in the Fraternity and desire to participate in its charities and its activities.
We believe that men are first made Masons in their hearts, then they ask to join our Fraternity. Freemasonry will take these men — good men in their communities — and help them become better men.
Each man brings something different into the Fraternity, as different as the types of men that become Masons. But each shares a common core of beliefs and of dreams; each believes that, in a small way, by their actions they help make their world, their communities, and themselves better.
If you are interested in receiving more information about the Fraternity of Freemasonry, please contact us at the California Grand Lodge.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 06:50 (twenty years ago) link

I have an uncle in the masons. If he's running the world, no wonder its fucked.

fcussen (Burger), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 07:08 (twenty years ago) link

A Q&A straight from the masonic horse's mouth(have fun, conspiracy theorists):

What is Freemasonry?
Freemasonry is the world's oldest fraternal organizations. The lessons Freemasonry teaches in its ceremonies, are to do with moral values. A Freemason is basically encouraged to do his duty to his God, his family and those who dependent on him. He is to help his neighbors through charity and service. None of these ideas is exclusive to Freemasonry, but all should be universally acceptable and Freemasons are expected to follow them.

What is your rituals or initiations?
They are allegorical plays that teach moral lessons.

Who can join?
Masonry is open to all men of good character who believe in a supreme being.

Is there a religious test?
No religious test shall ever be required of any petitioner for the benefits of Masonry other than a steadfast belief in the existence and perfection of God and no Lodge in this jurisdiction shall receive any candidate without the acknowledgment of such belief.

Is Freemasonry a Cult?
No. Masonry is not a religion or Cult. Religions and Cults do the following (though details vary from one to the next): Practice sacerdotal functions, Teach Theology, Ordain Clergy, Define sin and salvation, Offer salvation Perform sacraments, Publish or specify a Holy Book , Describe or define the Deity. Cults publish books which they will claim to be the same as or superior to the Holy Writings... Most cults can be traced back to a single individual whose teachings pervade the group. Masonry does none of these.

What does Masonry require?
All that Masonry requires of Masons is to be good men and true, or men of honor and honesty. Regardless of our personal opinions on subjects that may be controversial, we should meet as brothers and friends.

Is Masonry a secret society?
No. Freemasonry is not a secret society. There is no secret about any of its aims or principles. Its constitutions and rules are published and are available to the public. All Freemasons are free to acknowledge their membership and will do so in response to inquiries for respectable reasons.

Is Masonry against religion?
No. Freemasonry is far from indifferent to religion. Without interfering in religious practice it expects each member to follow his own faith, and to place above all other duties his duty to God by whatever name He is known. Its moral teachings are acceptable to all religions. Freemasonry is thus a supporter of religion.

Is Freemasonry a Religion?
No. Freemasonry is not a religion and promotes no doctrine, dogma, or converts. Freemasonry has no cosmology, eschatology or theology. Freemasonry offers no sacraments nor does it claim to lead to salvation by any definition. Freemasonry has not, nor has it ever claimed the prerogatives of religion. Freemasonry believes that men of all faiths can dwell together in peace. Freemasonry requires its members to believe in God but will not dictate those beliefs except insofar as they coincide with the teachings of Freemasonry. The teachings of Freemasonry are built on the virtues of Faith, Hope, Charity, Brotherly Love, Relief and Truth. The "search for light" found in Freemasonry is a reference to a quest for knowledge, not salvation.

Is there a Masonic God?
No. The names used for the Supreme Being enable men of different faiths to join in prayer (to God as each sees Him/Her) without the terms of the prayer causing dissension among them. There is no separate Masonic God; a Freemason's God remains the God of the religion each member professes. Masonry leaves it up to the individual Mason to choose his pathway to God. The Mason is expected, quite properly, to get that spiritual guidance from his own denomination, which he is encouraged to support with both his energy and his personal finances.

Do Masons hate God?
No. Freemasons meet in common respect for the Supreme Being as He remains Supreme in their individual religions, and it is no part of Freemasonry to attempt to join religions together. The Bible, referred to by Freemasons as the Volume of the Sacred Law, is always open at every Masonic meeting.

Does Masonry use Satanic symbols?
No. If a group using a symbol..defines that symbol.. then the K K K should have killed the use of the cross by Christians.. but it has not....

Why does Masonry use a 5 pointed star?
Eastern Star uses it with one point down to represent the light of the star coming down to earth. For Masons the star with one point up is a symbol of man, with the 5 points representing the head, hands, and feet. The Scottish Rite uses it to represent the blazing glory of God which fills
the entire universe, and that God reveals Himself to mankind through nature.

What does Masonry Teach?
Masonry teaches moral lessens through allegorical plays, and the use of symbols with the tools of the operative masons. Masons seek to improve themselves and help others by showing them a way to improve their lives. Freemasonry is many things - Courtesy in Society - Concern for the unfortunate -Fairness in Work - Forgiveness for the Penitent - Honesty in Business - Help for the Weak - Kindness in the Home - Love for one another - above all - Resistance towards the Wicked - and Reverence for Supreme Being.

Who does Masonry accept into membership?
Masonry accepts people from every religion, race, and country. You are not turned away for your differences, you are accepted because of them.

What do Masons do?
Masons take good people and tries to make them better, by showing then how they should act, and live their lives. Masons give 2 million dollars a day to charity. Masons help their family, their friends, their neighbors, their community, and even strangers when they are in need. Masons have the Shrine Hospitals, Burns Hospitals, Children's Hospital; support Cerebral Palsy; Dentistry for the Handicapped, College Scholarships, Special Olympics, help the Salvation Army, and on and on and on. Masons make sure that crippled children have the proper equipment like wheelchairs, and braces at no cost. Masons generally help their community without any recognition. What more could you ask.

What is the qualifications to become a Mason?
One must be a man, of lawful age, good character, and hold a belief in the existence of a Supreme Being.

When did Freemasonry begin?
Masonry is said to have started around the time of King Solomon, but no proof has been fond to substantiate that. These men were know as Operative Masons because they worked in stone. In 1717 Speculative Masonry (not workers in stone but it moral character) started with the opening of the United Grand Lodge if England. Thus Freemasons are free thinking individuals.

Are You a Christian organization?
No. Masonry is neither affiliated or apposed to any religions. Masonry welcomes all religious beliefs. All Masonry asks, is that you work toward one's personal understanding of the great architect, whom ever you believe that is.

What do Masons believe?
Masonry believes that everyone has a choice, that the golden rule should be followed, and that your religion and politics is your business. The principal object of Freemasonry has always been to perfect the individual and to guide mankind toward a better, more harmonious development. The individual Mason is a Builder on the Temple of Human Brotherhood; a Mason is both the trowel and the cement which combine the units of society. The brotherly love he extends to others is the trowel; the appreciation and affection he arouses are the cement which helps to bind people closer to each other.

What is the purpose of Masonry?
One of its most basic purposes is to make good men even better. We try to place emphasis on the individual man by strengthening his character, improving his moral and spiritual outlook, and broadening his mental horizons. We try to impress upon the minds of our members the principles of personal responsibility and morality, encouraging each member to practice in his daily life the lessons taught through symbolic ceremonies in the lodge. One of the universal doctrines of Freemasonry is the belief in the "Brotherhood of Man and the Fatherhood of God." The importance of this belief is established by each Mason as he practices the three principle tenets of Masonry: Brotherly Love, Relief and Truth.

What should I believe?
Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it.
Do not believe simply because it has been handed down for many generations.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is written in Holy Scriptures.
Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of Teachers, elders or wise men.
Believe only after careful observation and analysis, when you find that it agrees with reason and is
conducive to the good and benefit of one and all. Then accept it and live up to it.

What is the All Seeing Eye?
The all-seeing eye means that the supreme being sees us for who we really are... we may fool others but God knows everything.

What are the secrets of Freemasonry?
1) Try to be a better man.
2) Treat your neighbor like you want to be treated.
3) Be in reverential awe of the all mighty, in whatever form you believe He or She takes.
4) Ask for God's help when you're about to try something big.
5) Be good to yourself and avoid situations that make you less than what you are capable of being.
6) Keep your faculties intact if it's within your power to do so.
7) Be a good citizen.
8) Don't let your love for masonry lead you into pointless or counterproductive arguments.

What benefits will I enjoy if I become a member?
Masonry is not about getting benefits, Masonry is about what you can do for others. As brothers we offer each other fraternal affection and respect. Together we will support each other in adherence to this creed, so that we and our communities will be the better because of our fraternity and its principles.

Can women be Masons?
No. While the "ancient charges" of Masonry state that no woman can be made a Mason, the practice has existed for a very long time. No, women would be recognized as a Mason at this time in Regular Masonic Lodges.

Is the dollar bill the work of Masons?
No. Congress declined the first committee's suggestions, and designs of the dollar, as well as those of its 1780 committee. Francis Hopkinson, consultant to the second (1782) committee, used an unfinished pyramid in [his] design. Charles Thomson, Secretary of Congress, and William Barton, artist and consultant, borrowed from earlier designs and sketched what at length became the United States Seal. None of the final designers of the seal were Masons.

Was Albert Pike an Anti-Mason?
No. Albert Pike is popular with anti-masons for three reasons. First, Léo Taxil falsely accused him of claiming that the God of Freemasonry was Lucifer (Note his public confession); secondly, Susan L. Davis and Walter L. Fleming, without documentation or proof, claimed him as a leader of the Ku Klux Klan; and thirdly, Pike's extensive writings are easily quoted out of context to demonstrate pagan or occult leanings.

In the 861 page book Morals and Dogma, Albert Pike makes a total of four references to Lucifer [pp. 73, 102, 321, 324]. In each he uses the word lucifer in the popular usage as a synonym for Satan; on page 321 he points out the paradox of the Latin root meaning of the word as the bringer of light. Although we may disagree with his personal beliefs, he is clearly not exalting Satan. In context he also makes it very clear that his book is a treatise on comparative religion and is not a book of masonic instruction.

Did George Washington renounce Freemasonry?
No. He remained a member of the Craft from his initiation into the Lodge at Fredericksburg, Virginia No. 4 on Nov 4, 1752 until the day he died on December 14, 1799, when he then, at his widow's request, received a Masonic funeral.

Is Freemasonry connected to the Templars?
No. There is no connection to the Knights Templars of the 14th century, and Masonry. Contrary to the wishful thinking of many Freemasons, and non-masons, there is no proof of a link and regular Freemasonry makes no claim of a link.

What about the Masonic Bible?
There is no Masonic Bible. The Bible used is the King James version of the Holy Bible, which is used in some Christian Lodges. This Bible only has a short Masonic history section added to the front.

The Books I've read say.....................
A book is written to sell, and no matter if you get a book in favor of Masonry, or a book against Masonry, it is only the authors opinion, no one else.

What is the difference between Freemasonry and Masonry?
Masonry refers to builders in stone or Operative Masonry , Freemasonry refers to builders in character or Speculative Masonry, but there is no difference in their useage today.

How can I understand Masonry?
How can I make you understand a song without you hearing it, a fragrance without you smelling it, or a thought without you thinking it. You can learn about Masonry, but the only way you can understand Masonry, is to join.

What is a 33 Degree Mason?
A 33 Degree Mason is a mason who has devoted his life to helping his community and Masonry, as well as everyone he comes in contact with. A good person in every way, so much so that he is recognized for his efforts by have the 33 degree bestowed on him.

What does it mean to be a Master Mason?
Being a Master Mason is a lot of responsibility. You must be true to yourself and be reminded everyday that being a Master Mason you reflect on all of Masonry. You must not just receive brotherly love, but give it and show it towards everyone. You are in a chain of brothers and sisters, which starts in your heart and through hands, but which spreads around the globe. Be careful you are not the weakest link, so that this chain won't break because of you.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 07:10 (twenty years ago) link

oops that came out a lot longer than I thought it would. sorry.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 07:11 (twenty years ago) link

5 points to anyone who can link them to the Catholic Church, 12 foot lizards, Siegmund Freud, MK Ultra and Jewish Bankers.

fcussen (Burger), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 07:14 (twenty years ago) link

That's actually a good point, fcussen. Every conspiracy theory I've heard about these guys I've also heard in a slightly altered form about the Catholic Church and "Jewish Bankers".

AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 07:22 (twenty years ago) link

What's up with James Cameron, by the way? Has he been doing anything ever since "Titanic"?

Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 08:02 (twenty years ago) link

James Cameron IMDb page

AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 08:06 (twenty years ago) link

In case anyone doesn't feel like clicking the link, he's puttered around directing TV episodes and making documentaries. Titanic made so much money that I imagine he doesn't have to do anything ever again.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 08:11 (twenty years ago) link

There's also an "Untitled James Cameron Project" feature film set for 2005 about "The tragic love story of freediver Audrey Mestre and her husband World Champion Fransico Ferrera Pipin." Working title: The Dive

AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 08:14 (twenty years ago) link

All Masonry asks, is that you work toward one's personal understanding of the great architect, whom ever you believe that is.

hee hee. Who here has played either of the Thief games? there's a religious/masonic sect called the Hammerites(and later, the Mechanists) who worship The Builder.

it's an interesting view of how a Christianity-like religion could develop with its Central Figure being a blacksmith, and not, say, a carpenter...

Kingfish von Bandersnatch (Kingfish), Thursday, 29 July 2004 21:59 (twenty years ago) link

This thread title makes Freemasonry sound pretty lame.

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 29 July 2004 22:03 (twenty years ago) link

PATCHOGUE, N.Y. - They still greet each other with secret handshakes and use rituals that date to the Middle Ages. But
members of the Free and Accepted Masons insist that none of their sanctioned rites has any connection to the death of a man
who was shot during an initiation.

"It has nothing to do with what we're about," insisted Richard Fletcher, executive secretary of the Masonic Information Center
based in Silver Springs, Md.

William James, a father of five, was shot in the face Monday night at the Southside Masonic Lodge during an initiation rite
into a Masons social group called Fellow Craft.

Fletcher said the shooting "has to be put into context" and should not be used to disparage the roughly 1.5 million Masons
nationwide, who he said participate in many charitable activities.

"It was an accident that happened," he said. "You can't blame an entire fraternity that had nothing to do with it. If this were
part of some common everyday occurrence that would be one thing. It isn't."

The man accused of shooting James is Albert Eid, a 76-year-old retiree who police say mistakenly pulled a loaded .32-caliber
handgun from his left pants pocket instead of a .22-caliber pistol with blanks that was in his right pocket.

Police called the shooting "completely accidental," but Eid was charged with second-degree manslaughter. He pleaded
innocent and bail was set at $2,500.

Detectives said James, 47, of Medford, was seated in a chair and a small platform holding several metal cans was placed near
his head.

Eid stood approximately 20 feet away holding a gun and a third person stood out of James' view holding a stick.

When the gun was fired, the man with the stick was supposed to knock the cans off the platform to make the inductee think
they had been struck by a real bullet.

Police said the stunt was designed to create "a state of anxiety" for inductees, and had been used in Patchogue since at least the
1930s. Police also found a guillotine, rat traps, and a board used in a "walking the plank" exercise.

"I have been a Freemason for 47 years and I have never, in that entire time, heard of anything so off the wall," said Fletcher.
"That's what makes this so difficult."

"I have never heard of anything like that," agreed Len Henderson, a 30-year member of a lodge in Portsmouth, N.H. "I was
extremely upset to think people would think this had anything to do with a legitimate Masonic initiation."

Eid, described by police as "quite stunned and ... distraught," has not said publicly why he took a loaded weapon to the
ceremony. Authorities said he had held a gun license since 1951.

Carl Fitje, grand master of the New York State Freemasons, said in a statement that guns have no role in any sanctioned
ceremonies.

"The only secrets we really have anymore are a few handshakes," Fitje, a retired New York police detective, said in an
interview with The Associated Press last year.

There are three levels of entry into the organization: apprentice, fellow craft and master Mason. Although the Patchogue group
used the name "Fellow Craft" for its social group, it is unrelated to the second-degree moniker officially sanctioned by the
Masons, said Robert Leonard, a spokesman for the New York State Freemasons.

The group's rituals are rooted in the traditions of the stone mason guilds of the late Middle Ages, when master craftsmen
traveled Europe building cathedrals and castles. The use of handshakes and passwords helped identify a person as a qualified
mason, skilled in using tools such as the square and compass.

"You heard of the expression `giving someone the third degree?'" said Steven Bullock, an author of several books about
Freemasons and a professor at Worcester Polytechnic Institute. "That's where it comes from."

"What they do is sort of like participatory theater," Bullock said of Masonic initiations. Inductees are "put in awkward, odd
position. ... They're supposed to feel strange, feel some measure of uncertainty, if not precisely fear."

Bullock and others said it would be unfair to liken the ceremony to hazing.
"There are readings from the Bible, and there's talk of the building tools having moral meanings," he said. "The square
represents being upright and doing the right thing. The compass is seen as keeping members within moral bounds."

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 29 July 2004 22:05 (twenty years ago) link

Ahh, Thief! The only non-emulator game in which I've ever gotten involved. Have you played the new one, KfB?

x j e r e m y (x Jeremy), Thursday, 29 July 2004 22:11 (twenty years ago) link

not yet. i'm waiting for the price to drop, or imports to become available, or a cheap used copy at EB Games or somethin'

i just got Far Cry on tuesday, so that & Black Isle RPGs are taking up my time

Kingfish von Bandersnatch (Kingfish), Thursday, 29 July 2004 22:16 (twenty years ago) link

six years pass...

considering application, any tips

i've got blingees on my fisters (darraghmac), Saturday, 23 April 2011 23:58 (thirteen years ago) link

do you like goats y/n

/人 ◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ (zappi), Sunday, 24 April 2011 00:40 (thirteen years ago) link

i'm not overfond, but if i gotta fake it i reckon i'd pass muster

i've got blingees on my fisters (darraghmac), Sunday, 24 April 2011 16:36 (thirteen years ago) link

seven years pass...

reading the brotherhood..cannot tell if it is trash or good so far, but seems fairly illuminating on how this group has infiltrated police and law, with allusions to the jack the ripper case as well. My uncle is a freemason but he will never talk about it ever, he told me to go to the library lol.

eris (Ross), Thursday, 2 August 2018 17:31 (six years ago) link


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