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Anyone know anybody going to protest in NYC? I found out that a coupla my Brooklyn friends are associated with the Billionaires for Bush troupe...

Kingfish von Bandersnatch (Kingfish), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 13:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyone know anybody going to protest in NYC?

um, that's pretty much everybody here, except those of us going out of town.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 13:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Have you seen the RNC website? It's one of the most juvenile things I've encountered in quite a while ...

Kerry vs. Kerry flash animation feat. Don King
Kerryopoly
The John Kerry Spendometer
"What Does John Kerry Have In Common With The Cicadas?"

x j e r e m y (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 13:53 (twenty-one years ago)

...he spends seventeen years in the ground and only flies around for two weeks?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 13:54 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.theonion.com/images/394/image_article2529_418x445.jpg

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 13:55 (twenty-one years ago)

The best thing about that is the kid clearly looking to get the hell out of there.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 13:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I dunno, I like the idea of Don King giving seminars to the GOP on "blackness." FOR ONLY $49.95!

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 13:57 (twenty-one years ago)

You know the idea of a bunch of pro-free-speech liberals protesting a political convention seems...a trifle odd, to me anyway.

mouse (mouse), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 13:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Er? They're not saying 'shut the hell up' (I hope) so much as 'that's what you're saying but we happen to disagree'

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 13:58 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost - protesting Republicans /= wanting to silence Republicans

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 13:58 (twenty-one years ago)

The kid's working for Kim Chong-il.

x j e r e m y (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 13:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah yeah yeah, I know. But most of the people I know who are planning on doing so are doing so because they have some sort of idea that the convention shouldn't be permitted to be held in new york at all.

mouse (mouse), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 14:00 (twenty-one years ago)

And ummm protesting republicans doesn't make sense. what are you protesting? Their right to be republicans?

mouse (mouse), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 14:01 (twenty-one years ago)

well the GOP hasn't particularly been too friendly or helpful to NYC, even before 9/11. You'd think that after 9/11 things would've gotten better, but nope.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 14:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Having to protest from a "Free Speech Zone" is kind of a good reason to need to protest in itself.

dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 14:03 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.nymuseums.com/lm00024m.jpg

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 14:04 (twenty-one years ago)

what are you protesting?

whaddaya got?

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 14:05 (twenty-one years ago)

And frankly I'd prefer that they didn't hold the damned thing in the middle of my city. But organizing against another group organizing? It's like the well meaning people who protest against the right of kkk people to hold rallies. Seems morally inconsistent.

x-post

mouse (mouse), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 14:06 (twenty-one years ago)

The best thing about that is the kid clearly looking to get the hell out of there.
-- Ned Raggett (ne...), July 28th, 2004.

Which, the kid with the pacifier or the other one?

latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 14:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Hyuk hyuk

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 14:08 (twenty-one years ago)

mouse, you totally don't seem to understand that it's not a protest to shut down the GOP convention, but a protest to express dismay with the GOP's policies (and that the GOP is holding their convention here to capitalize on whatever lingering 9/11 sentimentality they can grab on to).

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 14:09 (twenty-one years ago)

it seems morally inconsistant not to protest against something that you don't believe in.

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 14:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Nope, I DO get that. But it seems like misspent energy. *shrug* I won't be there.

mouse (mouse), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 14:15 (twenty-one years ago)

For your edification:

Feature
Bush to New York: Here's Your $20 Billion—Now Drop Dead
What the soon-to-be-home of the Republican National Convention is not getting from the Republicans.

By Ryan Lizza

It’s hard to remember now, but at some point it was considered a stroke of genius: President George W. Bush and Republicans from across the country would celebrate their quadrennial party convention in New York City, site of the terrorist attacks that defined Bush’s first term. In New York, he’d be greeted by Michael Bloomberg, one of the few big-city Republican mayors, in a performance that would showcase Bloomberg’s national clout and Bush’s strength, compassion, and crossover appeal. All that would be left would be tabulating the Republican landslide.

What a fantasy. By the time the gathering starts on August 30, the host of this party, Mayor Bloomberg, will be quietly battling with his guests, President Bush and the GOP-controlled Congress, on almost every issue of importance to the city. When Bush, Bloomberg, and the Republican leadership climb the stage at Madison Square Garden for their inevitable photo ops this summer, the tight smiles and awkward backslapping will mask a simmering feud between New York and Washington over billions of dollars that some say are being fleeced from the city. Just about the only thing Bloomberg’s alliance with the Republicans has gained him is a ballot line to run on.

When it comes to New York’s relationship with Bush, almost all the media attention since 9/11 has focused on whether Washington really delivered the $20 billion in post-attack aid that Bush promised the city. Some Democrats point out that almost $5 billion of that aid was in the form of tax breaks that were never used and are about to expire. Others complain that the $20 billion was a floor, not a ceiling, and that the city needs much more. But many Democrats privately concede that for the most part, Bush has kept his word on the $20 billion. “There is a collective thought out there that New York got screwed on 9/11 funds,” a senior aide to Senator Chuck Schumer whispered to me recently. “That is really not the case.”

The spotlight on the 9/11 money has obscured a more comprehensive look at how Bush and his Republican colleagues have treated New York over the past four years. From the parochial perspective of New York City, the problem with Bush and the Congress is that they seem to screw New York on everything else.

Each February, a team of Bloomberg’s wonks scours the Bush budget to figure out how bad its impact will be on the city. In April, the mayor releases the fruit of that process, a thick, richly detailed book that outlines New York City’s agenda in Washington. This obscure 300-page document is the bible for understanding how the Bush administration treats the city. Every federal issue of importance to New York is described along with a comparison of how the Bush administration and Congress plan to treat it. The book sometimes reads as if it were written by the Democratic National Committee. On issue after issue, the Bloomberg administration, sometimes in withering language, describes how Bush’s proposals are bad for New York. One of the most common phrases appearing in the book is “Position: Oppose.” It crops up again and again when summarizing the Bloomberg response to Bush policies.

Once upon a time, Bloomberg’s Republican pedigree was seen as an advantage in diverting federal money to the city. In fact, the opposite may be true.

On education, the mayor accuses Bush of shortchanging the No Child Left Behind Act. He criticizes Bush’s proposed cuts to federal funds for child care. He argues that Republicans promised $700 million to implement the new election law passed in the wake of the Florida debacle, yet Bush finds only $40 million in his budget for it. He opposes the proposed cuts to bioterrorism funds, the $110 million reduction in a program for dislocated workers, the $240 million cut to a program that helps New York City fight poverty, the elimination of Justice Department grants that Bloomberg uses to help fight drugs and pay 911 operators, the slashing of millions from public housing, a Republican proposal that would siphon transportation dollars from New York and ship them to states like Texas, and Bush’s paltry spending on the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program. The criticisms go on and on. On criminal-justice issues, Bloomberg attacks the Republican approach to gun legislation as irresponsible. On the environment, he argues that new EPA rules would “directly threaten the City’s air quality,” opposes Bush’s cuts for money to clean up brownfields, and even insists that the Bush budget “risks dealing a mortal blow” to a program that is eradicating a nasty beetle from China destroying New York’s trees. The city hates Bush’s proposal to slash money to fight HIV/AIDS and argues that without more federal funds than Bush proposes for immunizations, thousands of New Yorkers might die.

All of these cuts are especially galling when one considers the most important fact about New York City’s relationship with the federal government. In 2002, the last year for which data are available, New Yorkers sent $65.9 billion in federal taxes to Washington, and yet the federal government sent only $54.5 billion back, according to the mayor’s office. In one year, more than $11 billion was sucked out of New York and redistributed across America by the Republicans in Washington who control the federal budget.

Of course, ’twas ever thus. New York has a long record of getting screwed by the Feds. Like the city, the state has always been a donor, paying more in federal taxes than it receives in federal funds and services. The late Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan would get so angry about this bias that his staff would produce an annual report documenting all the ways his constituents were being robbed by the rest of the country. Much of this funding bias has its roots in the rise of the welfare state. Many of the formulas that allocate money for federal programs were written decades ago. Often they were devised with the egalitarian intent of using money from wealthier regions of the country to help poorer ones. “When the New Deal was enacted, New York was a rich state,” says Congressman Jerrold Nadler, who has represented Manhattan’s West Side for twelve years. “The New Deal built the infrastructure that allowed the South and West to rise. Who paid for all those dams? It came from New York and the other wealthy states. The federal allocation formulas created in the thirties were written to help these other states. We’re no longer the rich state, but the formulas haven’t been changed.”

Unfortunately for the city, formulas that have been devised much more recently repeat these inequities. In the Bush years, some of the largest new streams of federal money are for protecting the homeland and combating bioterrorism. For homeland security, there are two large pots of money that once seemed promising for the city but that have recently been turned into slush funds to satiate congressmen’s appetites for pork. One pot, known as the State Homeland Security Grant Program, was designed by Bush and Congress using a formula that awards money to every state without regard to the actual level of terrorist threat. Billions of dollars in funds for first responders have been doled out this way. New York has been an Al Qaeda target numerous times in the past eleven years, and yet the state ranks 49th in per capita funding in this grant program. In fact, Wyoming, not known as a top bin Laden target, will get $38.31 per capita this year, while New York will get $5.47. The entire program is purposely blind to the fact that New York City, according to the intelligence community, is the highest-priority target in America. “There are 435 members, and they all want to get a piece of this,” says an aide to Bloomberg.

Even worse, the one homeland-security program that actually factors threat levels into its allocation formula has been turned into pork. The Urban Areas Security Initiative, which was designed to deliver funds to cities at the top of Al Qaeda’s target list, started out as one of Washington’s great gifts to New York. In 2003, the city received a quarter of the funds, which were divvied out to just seven high-priority states. But the Bush administration and Congress have steadily increased the number of cities and other entities deemed “high risk.” There are now 80 on the list, and New York’s share of the money has dropped to less than 7 percent. Bloomberg and his aides complain that the city’s allotment of high-threat funding has been slashed by two thirds since last year. “The chairman of the Appropriations Committee is from Kentucky,” says a Bloomberg aide, explaining how sympathy for New York has given way to pork-barrel politics. “He doesn’t want to go home and say, ‘Well, gosh, guys, I don’t see any Al Qaeda here.’ He wants to take some home, too.” Louisville is slated to receive $9 million this year.

Getting money for bioterrorism has proved to be even harder for New York. While the Bush administration says it’s willing to change the formula for some homeland-security grants, no bioterrorism money is distributed by threat level, and the administration hasn’t said it would change the formula. New York wants the money granted based on population density and risk. Amazingly, the city ranks 45th out of 54 states and municipalities in per capita funding on bioterrorism preparedness. New York Democrats often accuse the president of cheating the city on homeland-security matters, but some of the toughest criticism is quietly tucked into Bloomberg’s annual wish list, the federal legislative agenda. It points out that federal bioterror money has been reduced by $144 million. New York takes the brunt of these cuts. “Clearly, New York City bears a disproportionate risk of high-impact/high-casualty terrorist events, yet has consistently been shortchanged by federal funding by any measure of assessment,” the document notes.

Every inch of progress the city makes seems to be accompanied by a setback. Last month, Tommy Thompson, the secretary of Health and Human Services, funneled some extra bioterror money to New York, but last week, House Republicans voted to allow homeland-security funds to be used for natural disasters like floods and forest fires. This ridiculous change, the mayor argued in a letter, “would further dilute any effort to prevent and respond to international terrorism.” The legislation is being pushed by a Republican from rural Ohio.

There are real consequences to all the anti-terror money that is pickpocketed from New Yorkers. Recently, Bloomberg’s office wrote a nineteen-page memo cataloging $900 million worth of emergency-preparedness needs that are unfunded in the city. It’s a frightening list. The New York Police Department lacks $40 million needed for training its officers in counterterrorism measures. Four NYPD facilities, including One Police Plaza and the Police Lab in Jamaica, which are critical to command and control in the event of an attack, need $48 million worth of security enhancements, including bomb-blast protection and perimeter defenses. Other key NYPD sites lack bulletproof glass, anti-fragmentation film, and chemical detectors. The police are also facing a serious shortage of emergency-response vehicles. The Fire Department has $277 million worth of “urgent needs.”

The FDNY still needs $120 million to replace the outdated communications structure that so hampered the response to 9/11. It needs $40 million to upgrade a data network for dispatching fire and EMS personnel because the current system can be shut down entirely by an attack on one small part of the system. The FDNY also needs money for a large fireboat in the event of an attack on a cruise ship, bridge, or port, as well as a new hazardous-material battalion that will cost $25 million. Without it, Bloomberg’s shopping list flatly states, “the City of New York is inadequately prepared for a major chemical and/or biological incident.”

As the city fights on one front to save its anti-terror dollars from being redirected to Podunk, America, on another front it is battling Republicans who have attacked one of the few federal funding formulas that actually do benefit New York. Every six years, Congress passes a mammoth transportation bill paid for with federal gasoline taxes assessed at the pump. When the money is returned to the states, it is spent not just on highways and bridges that benefit the car owners who pay the gas taxes, but on mass-transit projects used by people who may never buy gas. Every six years, this quirk in the formula pits gas-tax donor states like Texas against states like New York. Last year, Tom DeLay, from Sugarland, Texas, launched a crusade to mandate that every state get back at least 95 percent of its gas-tax dollars. The current so-called minimum guarantee is 91.5 percent. DeLay happens to be the majority leader of the House and the person whom Bloomberg’s lobbyists consider to be the most consistently anti–New York member of Congress. “He seems to be the one that always gets in the way,” says a Bloomberg aide. “And he’s powerful.” If DeLay wins this fight, it will cost the state $300 million a year, according to Bloomberg, with most of that money coming at the city’s expense.

One of the most important streams of federal money for New York City comes through the Department of Housing and Urban Development. It’s also one of the fattest annual targets of Bush’s budget ax. “Our housing money is under attack,” a Bloomberg aide says, sighing. One of every twelve New Yorkers relies on the New York City Housing Authority, making it the largest entity of its kind in America. It mostly serves the poor, the elderly, and the very young. Since Bush was inaugurated, the Housing Authority has seen a drop of $175 million in federal funding at the same time demand for its help has soared. Last year, the city lost $3.8 million in Community Development Block Grants, which are used for dozens of different projects to make New York more livable, from neighborhood preservation to the cleanup of vacant lots to providing health- and day-care services in housing projects.

In addition, in next year’s budget, Bush has proposed to cut so-called Section 8 vouchers, used by poor tenants to pay for housing, by $107 million. The Bloomberg administration argues, “A loss of this size will have serious repercussions for the City of New York.” Earlier this year, as New York’s delegation fought to restore some of this money, it was blindsided by a technical ruling from the Bush administration that would drastically scale back how much Washington would pay for Section 8 vouchers from last year’s budget. The change would mean that New York would face a shortfall of some $50 million.

Even Bush’s signature housing initiative, the American Dream Downpayment Act (ADDP), which would help first-time home buyers afford a house, actually hurts New York City. New Yorkers, and everyone else, already have access to such funds under an existing program called the Home Investment Partnership Program (HOME). Unfortunately for the city, the funding formula for Bush’s new program is much less favorable to New York than home. Bush and Republicans want to move money from HOME to ADDP, which means that the city, which already has one of the lowest home-ownership rates in America, would actually receive less money to address the problem. The White House considers ADDP one of Bush’s major domestic-policy achievements.

Another domestic program the Bush administration has been especially proud of is his education law. It too has inflicted financial pain on the city over the past few years. It’s no wonder that New York’s response to Bush’s No Child Left Behind legislation is virtually identical to John Kerry’s. They both agree that Bush hasn’t delivered what he promised when the law was designed. Bush has consistently argued that education funding has rapidly increased on his watch, but Bloomberg undercuts this claim by noting that it hasn’t risen nearly enough to implement the sweeping reforms of Bush’s new law. Bloomberg wants billions more than Bush put in his budget this year. “Absent significant federal increases in the future,” the mayor’s office recently wrote, “effective implementation of new federal education reforms will be extremely difficult.”

Bloomberg’s budget team occasionally seems frustrated enough with Bush’s cuts that they sound like Democratic operatives. When explaining how Bush’s budget funds a program to educate disadvantaged children at only half of what the city is eligible to receive, the Bloomberg legislative agenda notes that “more than 200,000 low-income students are being left behind in New York City as a result of the federal shortfall.”

It’s not hard to explain why New York seems to be fighting Bush and the GOP Congress on almost every issue important to the city. At a macro level, the budget policies the Bush administration has pursued over the past four years are wildly out of sync with New York’s needs. Some of the biggest budget winners of the Bush years have been in the areas of defense, homeland security, and agriculture. New York has virtually no defense industry. And, not surprisingly, Bush’s massive increase in farm subsidies hasn’t exactly helped Manhattan. Meanwhile, Bush’s budget priorities that haven’t passed are hardly pro–New York. For example, his long-stalled energy bill would lavish tax breaks and subsidies on the oil and gas industries based out West.

The other major budgetary change of the Bush years has been huge tax cuts tilted to the wealthy. On the one hand, the city has one of the highest concentrations of rich people in the world, so many individual New Yorkers benefited from the tax cuts. But the city as a whole should hardly be thankful. Bush’s tax cuts worsened the very problems plaguing the city’s dysfunctional relationship with D.C. The tax cuts helped create the $500 billion federal budget deficit that has constricted the flow of dollars from Washington to New York. Bush’s response to the deficits has been to freeze or cut discretionary spending—money for health care, education, housing, the environment, etc.—which happens to be the part of the federal budget upon which New York disproportionately relies.

There is another often-untold consequence of Bush’s tax cuts for New Yorkers. A quirk in the tax code known as the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) hits the city harder than other parts of the country. The AMT was designed to ensure that wealthy taxpayers can’t take so many deductions that their burden falls to zero. In 2001, Bush slashed regular tax rates but didn’t cut the AMT rates. The effect is that millions of Americans are starting to pay the AMT for the first time. Those hit hardest are members of the upper middle class living in places with high state and local taxes, like New York. In fact, the percentage of New York City taxpayers getting ensnared by the AMT is more than twice that of the country as a whole. Thirty-eight percent of New Yorkers with an annual income of $100,000 to $200,000—people who hardly qualify as superrich, especially in a city where the cost of living can be shockingly high—are now paying the AMT, while nationwide, less than 10 percent of taxpayers in that income range pay it. And anyone paying the AMT isn’t getting Bush’s tax cuts. Republicans don’t have a plan to overhaul the problem, and some see a partisan bias in their cavalier attitude, since low-tax areas of the country, especially the South, are harmed the least by the AMT. “Tom DeLay comes here and his constituents get tax cuts and New Yorkers don’t,” complains Jonathan Sheiner, an aide to Congressman Charlie Rangel.

At the same time the city is facing a Republican agenda hostile to New York, it also has to deal with its diminishing clout in Washington. In general, the power and influence in Congress have been shifting south and west over the past few decades. For example, New York State lost two congressional seats in the most recent Census while Texas gained two. And the congressmen that New York does have are absent from the most important centers of congressional power. Of the fourteen committees or subcommittees that control spending in the House of Representatives, only two have chairmen from the Northeast. (One of them, from New Jersey, runs the subcommittee on the District of Columbia, not exactly a plum perch from which to win dollars for northeastern constituents.) The majority of the House appropriations chairmen are from the South and West. In the Senate, ten of the appropriations chairmen are from the South and West, two are from the Midwest, and two are from the Northeast. Of course, every chairman in both chambers is a Republican. In other words, the federal budget is controlled by conservative Republicans from the South and West, while New York City is represented by liberal Democrats from the Northeast. It’s not really a fair fight.

Once upon a time, Bloomberg’s Republican pedigree was seen as a potential asset to overcome this disadvantage. But it actually seems to be making things worse. Instead of picking high-profile fights that draw attention to the city’s priorities, Bloomberg is stressing unity with his GOP conventioneers. Last fall, Bloomberg singled out Tom DeLay as the city’s chief GOP nemesis. After a conservative outcry, Bloomberg backed down from his criticism. But Bloomberg aides are confident of at least one legislative victory this year. They think they will get the extra $25 million they need to protect the Republican confab later this summer. Congresswoman Carolyn Maloney likes to say, “The only time New York is going to get adequate homeland-security funding is when Republicans come to town for their convention.” It looks like she’s right.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 14:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't believe I feel sorry for Bloomberg after reading that...

TheRealJMod (TheRealJMod), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 14:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I submit that protests will hurt more than they help. They'll only
a) turn off swing voters
b) draw attention to a convention that will otherwise largely be ignored

It's not January anymore. The race is ours to lose.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 14:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the protests will hurt only if there's violence, and if the national media portrays even reasonable, anti-violent protestors in a bad light. I have to admit that, while I disagree with you gabbneb, I don't have a lot of faith in either of those things not happening.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 14:46 (twenty-one years ago)

well, it's not that protests have ever helped this kinda thing. it was cute how the asshats on Alan Colmes' radio show felt the need to begin by talking the anarchists with the "kerry=bush=hitler" signs.

Kingfish von Bandersnatch (Kingfish), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Right. I originally figured that there's no reason not to protest, because such things will happen anyway, and maybe bigger numbers will show the extreme to be a minority. But now I'm not so sure - I think the smaller this is, the better off we are.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 14:49 (twenty-one years ago)

well it's not going to be small, I assure you.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I wonder what the impact of a disavowal or plea not to protest from Kerry would be, and whether anyone would heed it.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 14:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd bet most people would think it a sellout move.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 14:59 (twenty-one years ago)

it might endear him to swing voters (how many of them are left anyway?) but it would seriously alienate a number of his voters.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 15:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm a swing voter, and will probably just wait for a debate or some comparative website/newspaper article showing each candidates stance on issues to decide which way to swing.

A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 15:10 (twenty-one years ago)

as in, to swing?

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 15:11 (twenty-one years ago)

sorry, just kidding.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 15:11 (twenty-one years ago)

some comparative website/newspaper article showing each candidates stance on issues to decide which way to swing.

good fuckin' luck on that, altho the folks at CampaignDesk.org might point out a good one someday...

Kingfish von Bandersnatch (Kingfish), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 15:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I like watching the conventions on TV because it's such a great venue for the performance art of public speaking, not because I'll learn something about the candidate that will influence my vote (well at least not consciously influence).

A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 15:20 (twenty-one years ago)

There will be New York city cops there with support by the Secret Service. Of course there will be volence.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 15:20 (twenty-one years ago)

a lot of the NYPD will be protesting though, as they still don't have a contract.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

One wonders how accidental the violence will be... and I don't mean this cynically. It seems a savvy strategy to incite a bit o' fisticuffs to shore up (sp?) support from the NY citz. waffling against the left.

x j e r e m y (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

the most amazing conservative website i've seen has been Protest Warrior. these people like to go to protests and protest protestors. if you're going to protest at the rnc, they will be there. also they post pictures like this which are supposed to help their case somehow.
ihttp://www.protestwarrior.com/images/misc/guns/guns_05.jpg

caitlin hell (caitxa), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 15:23 (twenty-one years ago)

July 24, 2004
New York Police and Fire Unions to Picket G.O.P. Events
By STEVEN GREENHOUSE

The presidents of New York City's police and firefighter unions sought to turn up the heat on Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg in their contract battle by threatening yesterday to picket various subsidiary events during the Republican National Convention next month.

Borrowing a tactic from Boston's police union, New York's police and firefighters warned that if the unions do not reach a contract before the convention begins, they might picket parties and receptions for Republican state delegations.

Stephen J. Cassidy, the president of the Uniformed Firefighters Association, said, "We intend to make our case and to highlight the lack of respect that the mayor has for the firefighters and cops, and if we have to picket the parties that the mayor holds to do that, we will."

The police and firefighters denied that their threat to picket various Republican parties would violate a pledge by the city's Central Labor Council not to disrupt the convention, a pledge aimed at attracting the convention and its economic benefits.

Al O'Leary, a spokesman for the Patrolmen's Benevolent Association, said, "Picketing a party at the Marriott Marquis has nothing to do with Madison Square Garden," which will house the Republican convention.

Unions leaders said they would engage in informational picketing over the next few weeks, without urging people not to cross the lines. But they said their effort might escalate into full-fledged picket lines that they ask others to honor.

The unions hope that pressuring Mr. Bloomberg before the convention will cause him to increase his wage offer. Explaining the picketing plans, Patrick J. Lynch, the P.B.A.'s president, said, "We have a Republican administration in the White House, Statehouse and City Hall, and we need the White House and Statehouse to know that the mayor is not treating us fairly."

Mr. Bloomberg, on his weekly radio program on WABC with John Gambling, ridiculed the union leaders yesterday morning. "I love it - they're yelling and screaming they're going to pressure the Republican Party to give us more money so they'll get raises," he said. "No. 1, the administration doesn't give money, it's Congress. No. 2, there isn't a chance in a zillion that Congress is going to vote monies for New York City unions. Let's get serious here."

Delegates to the Democratic National Convention, which begins in Boston on Monday, have been thrown off balance by the plans of Boston's police union to picket the welcoming parties being held this Sunday for 30 state delegations. With many Democrats unwilling to cross picket lines, the Michigan and Ohio delegations have canceled their welcoming parties.

Typically less sympathetic to labor, Republicans are generally more willing to cross picket lines. But labor leaders said it would be awkward for Republican delegates to cross picket lines set up by New York's firefighters and police - the workers hailed for their heroism after the Sept. 11 terrorist attack.

Mr. Bloomberg has urged the police, firefighters and teachers to accept the same amount accepted by the largest municipal union, District Council 37: a 5 percent raise over three years. But they have picketed and distributed fliers this week outside Madison Square Garden, insisting that a 5 percent raise is inadequate.

Mr. Bloomberg restated his position that if the unions want more than the 5 percent, they should agree to money-saving measures to finance larger raises.

"Let's change leadership of these unions, and put in people who care about the union members, and sit down and try to find a way to generate productivity savings so that we can pay our municipal workers more," Mr. Bloomberg said.

The police and fire unions - both without a contract for two years - held a news conference yesterday outside the Garden, announcing that they have rented two trucks to crisscross the city, carrying mobile billboards that criticize the mayor.

One billboard reads: "Billionaire Bloomberg says pay for your own raises. Police and Firefighters pay every day . . . in blood." Both billboards urge New Yorkers to call 311 to urge the mayor to give the police and firefighters "a real raise."

Mr. Bloomberg lambasted the union leaders for organizing the protests. "You've got to remember that a lot of this is not driven by what the union members want," he said on his radio program. "It's driven by the union leaders who are running for re-election all the time, and they've got to show that they're stronger than everybody else. And so they go out there and yell and scream." Saying the city could not afford the raises the police, firefighters and teachers sought, Mr. Bloomberg said, "We have enormous deficits staring us in the face."

Randi Weingarten, president of the United Federation of Teachers, who won re-election in April with 88 percent of the vote, criticized Mr. Bloomberg's remarks. "I find it puzzling that when we exercise some of the limited rights we have, such as the right to protest, the mayor becomes very nasty and vituperative," she said. "There is an easy way to cure this, and that is get to the bargaining table and to bargain in good faith, instead of sounding like a broken record to accept the same contract as D.C. 37."

Several officials with the police and firefighters noted that the Boston Police Patrolmen's Association, after threatening for weeks to picket various events during the Democratic convention, received a 14.5 percent raise over four years through an arbitrator's decision on Thursday.

"We're green with envy," said Mr. O'Leary, the P.B.A. spokesman. His union wants an arbitrator to render a decision to resolve its contract dispute.

With pay levels higher in several suburbs, the union insists that the mayor's offer is far too low to resolve the problems the city faces in retaining and recruiting police officers.

Responding to the unions' threats to picket various convention activities, Jordan Barowitz, a City Hall spokesman, said: "The hard-working members of the Police and Fire Departments would be better served by union leaders who had the guts to negotiate a contract at the bargaining table instead of engaging in lame theatrics."

Paul Elliott, a spokesman for the New York City Host Committee, said: "The Republican convention is creating jobs and boosting wages for working people at what is a usually slow time in the city's economy. Labor was and remains the city's partner in planning for the Republican convention."

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 15:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Right, the part I forgot about is that teachers and cops and first responders and such will be protesting and I think all of the focus should be on them

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 15:27 (twenty-one years ago)

It might not actually hurt Kerry politically if their is violence between protestors and police. It might serve to show that the Bush Administration has divided the country; explicate what's being said at the DNC this week.

herbert hebert (herbert hebert), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 15:30 (twenty-one years ago)

D'you think? I can't wrap my head around who will be helped by a riot / fight / whatever.

x j e r e m y (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 15:32 (twenty-one years ago)

well it might show in a facile way to some voters that, like the Democrats in '68 Chicago, the GOP can't run a convention without resorting to violence.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 15:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I think that the Secret Service's suppression of political speech at or near Bush rallies is underreported and therefore worth protesting, but I can't say I think it would play well.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 15:35 (twenty-one years ago)

IT'S NOT UNREPORTED SIR, IT DOESN'T HAPPEN.

NOT THE SECRET SERVICE (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 15:36 (twenty-one years ago)

x post.
Right. People wanted a change because the incumbent party/administration in 68 was associated with the tension in the country at the time.

herbert hebert (herbert hebert), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 15:37 (twenty-one years ago)

The Nation, Stencil? The Nation?

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 3 September 2004 16:54 (twenty-one years ago)

dude, nabisco, I sometimes wish I still lived in Chi-Mayor-For-Life-Town.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 3 September 2004 16:55 (twenty-one years ago)

also I prefer Harper's.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 3 September 2004 16:58 (twenty-one years ago)

It cracks me up that Lewis Lapham wrote a whole essay about his experience at the RNC in the past tense that hit newsstands two weeks before the RNC was held.

o. nate (onate), Friday, 3 September 2004 17:01 (twenty-one years ago)

hahaha yeah!

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 3 September 2004 17:01 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iraq_casualties.htm

Military death toll in Iraq is now at 1012 as of 8/31, but the administration delayed announcing 35 soldiers dead so as not to interfer with the convention.

(and yeah, that lephem thing was VERY odd)

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 3 September 2004 17:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Better way of coming at this: the "misleading" details. I.e. even if you're fine with us in Iraq, do you really think you're safer with a president who (a) thinks there are weapons where there aren't weapons, or (b) thinks a war will be cheap and easy when it's totally not, or (c) thinks the mission's "accomplished" when it's barely even begun? Even if you agree with the course, even if you agree with the "liberty" rhetoric, there's no reason to believe that Bush is at all bright or wise or honest enough to pull it off.

I totally agree. I think you have to frame it as objectively as possible i.e. that Bush's "miscalculations" are fireable offenses. And I'm holding out hope this happens during the debates.

bnw (bnw), Friday, 3 September 2004 17:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Somebody with time on their hands has to go through that Lapham piece to see how accurate it turned out to be. That somebody will not be me.

briania (briania), Friday, 3 September 2004 17:31 (twenty-one years ago)

....oblivious to the fact that Cooper is gay.
-- Alex in NYC... September 2nd, 2004 6:46 PM.

I know this is, like, about the least important thing on the thread, but make with the gossip, foo'!

Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 3 September 2004 18:54 (twenty-one years ago)

S.F. woman hauled away for interrupting president

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2004/09/03/MNGGU8JAC01.DTL&type=news

"This is the third day in a row that Code Pink has penetrated the convention,'' she said. "My question to President Bush is, if he can't secure his own convention, how can they bring security to their own nation?''

(Jon L), Friday, 3 September 2004 18:59 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.sfgate.com/chronicle/pictures/2004/09/03/mn_cvn_bush166.jpg
(From Jon L's linked article)

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 3 September 2004 19:34 (twenty-one years ago)

http://newyork.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/search?areaID=3&subAreaID=0&query=republican&cat=cas&minAsk=min&maxAsk=max

lauren (laurenp), Friday, 3 September 2004 19:57 (twenty-one years ago)

i just read the last 260 posts in one sitting and am now naseuos. i wish there was a way for everyone, from kerry to the media, right down to average people, to be even more vigilant in undoing the lies and myths that underlie the national debate. im not even approaching this from a partisan perspective (ie how dare they attack kerry); i just want more honesty.

what frustrates me about the slate article is that i know that liberals are capable of those kind of obfuscations too. when i worked for PIRG years and years ago, i remember hearing a little "get the activists riled up" speech about Rep Moran (8th_VA). in additon to the speech we were handed out little scoresheets about his environmental record. these scoresheets claimed Moran was "for coal" or something like that. i happened to have spent the months before PIRG interning in moran's office, and i went there and asked the Environmental LA about Moran's stance on coal. it turns out that moran had voted for a bill that contained some generally progressive measures, and called for the allocation of money to clean existing coal plants. in pirg's worldview, that is a vote for the coal industry, regardless of the positive environemtal impacts of reducing coal emissions, an literally, factually, and historically inevitable step before we as a country rely on that fuel no longer. its basically the same logic as "kerry voted against body armor".

btw americans are idiots for believing bills to be as simple as they are. "save the kids act 2004" could theoretically, though not plausibly. include a clause stating that everyone in wisconsin has to krazy glue a dildo to their foreheads. of course, the wisconsin representatives would vote against it, and then the opposition party would state "sen X from wisconsin hates children" and then the people of winsonsin would vote sen x out and then they would replace him with a senator who suports the bill and then they would all have to wear dildos. this is probably one of the dumbest paragraphs ever written and yet the underlying logic explains so much. fuck.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Friday, 3 September 2004 20:54 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah well politicians get off on saying "senator x* voted against funding schools" when in fact senator x voted against one particular funding bill and voted for another one.


*no relation to terminator x

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 3 September 2004 23:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think PIRG is representative of liberals insofar as they make up part of the Democratic party, because PIRG = Nader

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 4 September 2004 00:22 (twenty-one years ago)

"include a clause stating that everyone in wisconsin has to krazy glue a dildo to their foreheads"

On which thread is that picture of an RNC cheerleader wearing an elephant hat?

Bumfluff, Saturday, 4 September 2004 00:31 (twenty-one years ago)

i know pirg isnt totally representative but the story is emblematic anyways, though maybe not revelatory.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Saturday, 4 September 2004 20:53 (twenty-one years ago)

ok i just got some mail that mighta been covered on this thread -- but the schwarzenegger speech was pure fantasy, tho i hadn't bothered to notice. the soviet tanks he described came as part of the allied forces defeating hitler and left a few years later. he describes leaving a "socialist" austria when in fact a conservative right wing government was in power at the time, then his "conversion" to a republican when he saw a nixon humphrey debate which never happened becuz nixon refused to debate that year. yipe!

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 5 September 2004 04:28 (twenty-one years ago)

the worse thing is, it just feels like it doesnt matter. it doesnt matter whether he was telling the truth or not. seeing the arnie speech was one of the most depressing things ive ever seen, i just dont know anymore

david acid (gareth), Sunday, 5 September 2004 07:35 (twenty-one years ago)

MoDo on Chris Matthews today says Cheney will run in 2008. If Bush wins, that makes a lot of sense to me. There are a lot of prospects, but only two stars, and one is unacceptable to the base (Giuliani) and the other can't be trusted with the secrets (McCain).

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 5 September 2004 23:28 (twenty-one years ago)

but the schwarzenegger speech was pure fantasy

No, it sounds like that Austrian journo got it wrong.

And Arnold denies it was wrong, too.

xpost: Cheney will not run in 2008 whether Bush wins or loses. Bet your life on it. MoDo is full of shit. As for stars in the party, it's awfully early to speculate. (Nobody's ever called Kerry a star in the party--he was just a guy who has wanted the since he first grew pubic hair.)

don carville weiner, Sunday, 5 September 2004 23:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Well that's "Another Whopper from the Associated Press".

How do you find these websites?

Bumfluff, Monday, 6 September 2004 00:09 (twenty-one years ago)

okay first: the soviet tanks were there because they were part of the forces that defeated the nazis!

second: nobody's addressed the mythical debate that never took place -- there were no debates that year! nixon avoided them after his miserable performance prior.

also that first blog is a hoot in trying to rewrite austrian history and claim that the term "socialist" applies to a conservative government focused on expanding education. by that standard both ike and g.w. bush, by their rhetoric alone, are "socialist" too.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 6 September 2004 00:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Arnold has apparently told the Nixon-Humprhey story for years. He usually refers to the "campaign" but has been known mention the "debate" that never actually ocurred. Last week however, I don't believe he referred to a debate. Even if he did one could understand the point he was trying to make. What should be more disconcerning is his praise of the justifiably demonized Nixon at all. Jon Stewart's reaction was to wipe his eyes in astonishment.

herbert hebert (herbert hebert), Monday, 6 September 2004 03:29 (twenty-one years ago)

lots of germans still grow up in the shadows of american tanks.

compared to bushco nixon was a liberal! sad but very true,

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Monday, 6 September 2004 03:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, there was this thing in the NY Times Book Review this week saying that if it hadn't been for Watergate, we'd all have national health care right now, because supposedly that was on Nixon's agenda for his second term. Anyway, this is according to some historians who wrote a book about "alternate histories" - what if things had happened differently - that sort of thing.

o. nate (onate), Monday, 6 September 2004 04:25 (twenty-one years ago)

compared to bushco nixon was a liberal! sad but very true

Which makes his decision to praise nixon in support of bushco all the more disconcerting.

Harold Media (kenan), Monday, 6 September 2004 04:27 (twenty-one years ago)

And weird!

Harold Media (kenan), Monday, 6 September 2004 04:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Cheney will not run in 2008 whether Bush wins or loses. Bet your life on it. MoDo is full of shit.

did you ever conceive that Cheney might select himself as Veep?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 6 September 2004 14:43 (twenty-one years ago)

"Better a kingmaker than a king.", eh?
So, does President Shrub == Human Shield for Emporer Cheney?

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 6 September 2004 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Does Bush always do that thing where he moves his jaw back and forth before saying something? I mean, is that a new development? He didn't say it before he said everything, but it was like when he was waiting for the crowd to stop making noise and he was getting ready to say his next line.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Monday, 6 September 2004 15:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Didn't someone post a while back that that little jaw gesture was a sign of being on meds?

Jimmy Mod, Man About Towne (ModJ), Monday, 6 September 2004 15:55 (twenty-one years ago)

did you ever conceive that Cheney might select himself as Veep?

and did anyone complain?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 6 September 2004 16:05 (twenty-one years ago)

slightly offtopic: Does anyone remember how back when Bob Dole was running for president, it was because "it was his turn" to run?

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 6 September 2004 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

That election seems so long ago. Dole staying up for three days straight at the end. Dole falling off the platform. That exciting Kemp/Gore debate.

I'd start an "Election '96" thread, but it would probably remain on the unanswered questions page.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 6 September 2004 17:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I would totally post on an Election '96" thread.

During the debates pissy Dole, after referring to Clinton as "Mr. President" reminded him that in 92 Clinton neglected to show Bush that same level of respect.

Dole also asked America: "Where's the outrage?" in regard to the public seeming to not give a shit about Clinton's scandals.

The economy was good so Dole was desperate for an issue. I seemed to recall him dissing Hollywood films. We need less like Trainspotting and more like True Lies.

herbert hebert (herbert hebert), Monday, 6 September 2004 18:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I also contend that the race would have been more interesing if it was Forbes vs. Clinton or even Lamaar! Alexander vs. Clinton. I guess the RNC needed to reward Dole for his years of hatchet work.

herbert hebert (herbert hebert), Monday, 6 September 2004 18:52 (twenty-one years ago)

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040831/i/r1741187877.jpg

Delegate J0sh K3mpf wears an elephant hat signifying the mascot of the Republican Party, on the second night of the 2004 Republican National Convention at Madison Square Garden in New York, August 31, 2004. Convention delegates formally nominated President George W. Bush (news - web sites) for another four-year term on Tuesday night and he will deliver a prime-time televised acceptance speech on September 2. REUTERS/Brian Snyder US ELECTION REUTERS

Is it me or is "elephant" not the first thing you think of when you see that picture?

(apologies if this has already been covered)

Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 9 September 2004 15:05 (twenty-one years ago)

relax, we're going to take care of this for you
That phrase makes my blood stop cold. The dire truth of it makes me fear for the future.

Ron Fournier quotes the voice of the people:

"I'm not interested in Bush's military service or what he did back when," said Cara Easterly, a 37-year-old health care worker in Everett, Wash. The undecided voter said, "I only want to know how they're going to take care of us."

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 9 September 2004 23:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Why are we to deny her her wish?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 9 September 2004 23:08 (twenty-one years ago)

"I only want to know how they're going to take care of us."

Hopefully it does not suprise anyone that the paternal federal government has no boundaries of party. All it wants is a dependent block of voters--preferably a majority.

don carville weiner, Friday, 10 September 2004 01:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I'll take the paternal federal government over the paternal insurance lobby

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 10 September 2004 01:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't worry, there's not going to be much difference in a decade or two.

don carville weiner, Friday, 10 September 2004 01:51 (twenty-one years ago)

two years pass...
NYT yesterday:


City Police Spied Broadly Before G.O.P. Convention
By JIM DWYER


For at least a year before the 2004 Republican National Convention, teams of undercover New York City police officers traveled to cities across the country, Canada and Europe to conduct covert observations of people who planned to protest at the convention, according to police records and interviews.

From Albuquerque to Montreal, San Francisco to Miami, undercover New York police officers attended meetings of political groups, posing as sympathizers or fellow activists, the records show.

They made friends, shared meals, swapped e-mail messages and then filed daily reports with the department’s Intelligence Division. Other investigators mined Internet sites and chat rooms.

From these operations, run by the department’s “R.N.C. Intelligence Squad,” the police identified a handful of groups and individuals who expressed interest in creating havoc during the convention, as well as some who used Web sites to urge or predict violence.

But potential troublemakers were hardly the only ones to end up in the files. In hundreds of reports stamped “N.Y.P.D. Secret,” the Intelligence Division chronicled the views and plans of people who had no apparent intention of breaking the law, the records show.

These included members of street theater companies, church groups and antiwar organizations, as well as environmentalists and people opposed to the death penalty, globalization and other government policies. Three New York City elected officials were cited in the reports.

In at least some cases, intelligence on what appeared to be lawful activity was shared with police departments in other cities. A police report on an organization of artists called Bands Against Bush noted that the group was planning concerts on Oct. 11, 2003, in New York, Washington, Seattle, San Francisco and Boston. Between musical sets, the report said, there would be political speeches and videos.

“Activists are showing a well-organized network made up of anti-Bush sentiment; the mixing of music and political rhetoric indicates sophisticated organizing skills with a specific agenda,” said the report, dated Oct. 9, 2003. “Police departments in above listed areas have been contacted regarding this event.”

Police records indicate that in addition to sharing information with other police departments, New York undercover officers were active themselves in at least 15 places outside New York — including California, Connecticut, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montreal, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Oregon, Tennessee, Texas and Washington, D.C. — and in Europe.


The operation was mounted in 2003 after the Police Department, invoking the fresh horrors of the World Trade Center attack and the prospect of future terrorism, won greater authority from a federal judge to investigate political organizations for criminal activity.

To date, as the boundaries of the department’s expanded powers continue to be debated, police officials have provided only glimpses of its intelligence-gathering.

Now, the broad outlines of the pre-convention operations are emerging from records in federal lawsuits that were brought over mass arrests made during the convention, and in greater detail from still-secret reports reviewed by The New York Times. These include a sample of raw intelligence documents and of summary digests of observations from both the field and the department’s cyberintelligence unit.

Paul J. Browne, the chief spokesman for the Police Department, confirmed that the operation had been wide-ranging, and said it had been an essential part of the preparations for the huge crowds that came to the city during the convention.

“Detectives collected information both in-state and out-of-state to learn in advance what was coming our way,” Mr. Browne said. When the detectives went out of town, he said, the department usually alerted the local authorities by telephone or in person.

Under a United States Supreme Court ruling, undercover surveillance of political groups is generally legal, but the police in New York — like those in many other big cities — have operated under special limits as a result of class-action lawsuits filed over police monitoring of civil rights and antiwar groups during the 1960s. The limits in New York are known as the Handschu guidelines, after the lead plaintiff, Barbara Handschu.

“All our activities were legal and were subject in advance to Handschu review,” Mr. Browne said.

Before monitoring political activity, the police must have “some indication of unlawful activity on the part of the individual or organization to be investigated,” United States District Court Judge Charles S. Haight Jr. said in a ruling last month.

Christopher Dunn, the associate legal director of the New York Civil Liberties Union, which represents seven of the 1,806 people arrested during the convention, said the Police Department stepped beyond the law in its covert surveillance program.

“The police have no authority to spy on lawful political activity, and this wide-ranging N.Y.P.D. program was wrong and illegal,” Mr. Dunn said. “In the coming weeks, the city will be required to disclose to us many more details about its preconvention surveillance of groups and activists, and many will be shocked by the breadth of the Police Department’s political surveillance operation.”

The Police Department said those complaints were overblown...

Dr Morbius, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:42 (eighteen years ago)

hahah. Oregon. Jeez.

kingfish, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:47 (eighteen years ago)

my only consolation after reading that is knowing the MPD and SPPD don't have the resources to do anything like that next year, and that most of the civic political leadership here would like to see the GOP delegates kicked into the mississippi as soon as they check out of their hotels...

gff, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:53 (eighteen years ago)

six months pass...

fun logo for '08! a pachyderm with a wide stance.

http://bp3.blogger.com/_t6rV3U9ZEHM/RwWMXZib-gI/AAAAAAAAC-8/WAAwGBi2EOM/s1600-h/2008GOP.bmp

Dr Morbius, Friday, 5 October 2007 14:16 (seventeen years ago)

dammit

Dr Morbius, Friday, 5 October 2007 14:16 (seventeen years ago)

http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2007/10/gop-screwing-2008.html

Dr Morbius, Friday, 5 October 2007 14:17 (seventeen years ago)

the white bars on the elephant?

http://tian.greens.org/SFGayPride03/HumanRightsCampaign.jpg

gabbneb, Friday, 5 October 2007 14:20 (seventeen years ago)


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