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I communicated a lot w/this guy on various musician/synthesiser music forums. He used to drive me up the bloody wall at first, but he was so charming, that I wound up liking him a lot. He drove a lot of people up the wall, and got booted off a couple of interweb lists at least once, I thought, rather unfairly. I tried to get him to post here a couple of times, but I don't think he ever did. His whole act was kind of like a conservative version of momus' act, which probably would not have endeared him to many, but wtfe. Anyway, he dropped offline earlier this month, but he often takes a month off the interweb, so no big deal. You can probably guess the punchline - he was driving his yamaha atv home two weeks ago, when he rolled it, and got killed. Obv, I was, and am rather upset. But, I'd never actually met this guy, so it's kind of weird. Plus, I can trawl the archives of various mail lists and find many instances of me calling this guy a cunt, so his works are still up there, so to sopeak, it's just that there won't be any more of it, plus, I'll never get to actually meet the guy, which I would have really liked to do. I'm kind of confused by this, and I don't know what to make of it, or think, or anything.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 29 July 2004 12:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it's fair enough to grieve for this guy even if you didn't know him in person. If that happened to someone on ILX that I liked but hadnever met, I would be gutted. Don't be too hard on yourself.

PinXor (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 29 July 2004 12:05 (twenty-one years ago)

i used to often think if anyone on the internet would ever find out if i'm dead. (probably now that i know quite a few internet folks IRL)

i think it's sad. but it must be easier to deal with if you have never met in person. (and the internet is often a lot more impersonal than seeing someone face to face)

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 29 July 2004 12:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I've often wondered what might happen if someone from ILX died suddenly, for whatever reason, or whether or not its actually happened to one of the several posters who have stopped posting over the years, especially those from further afield.

The archive thing is the weirdest bit, I suspect, in that you have all their words there, in exactly the same way they've been ever since they were written in whatever trivial argument or thread of banter or whatever. A friend of mine worked in the WTC, and she said that when she finally got back to work, the hardest thing was opening up her inbox and finding a load of light-hearted emails from people who just didn't exist any more.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 29 July 2004 12:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh god matt, that just sent a shiver through me.

PinXor (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 29 July 2004 12:12 (twenty-one years ago)

there is some site out there for dead friendsters. a friendster graveyard. i forget the link.

cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 29 July 2004 12:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Good lord.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 29 July 2004 12:14 (twenty-one years ago)

puts a different light to http://www.deadjournal.com

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 29 July 2004 12:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Funny, I was actually thinking about this too yesterday; how would I react if someone from ILX were to die? I've never met any of you in person, so obviously it would quite different to some of my "real" friends or aquaintances dying, but I'd still feel bad and I might still cry, especially if it was one of those ILXors I know "better".

Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 29 July 2004 12:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Someone I had talked regularly with via a message board died last November and although we weren't close friends, it upset me terribly. It was a very emotional time, but it helped that we talked about it on that particular message board, and each of us shared our own personal memories of him over the years. It really reinforced just how powerful internet communication is.

For reasons of security and anonymity I prefer to keep my real and internet lives separate, but I have one or two close internet buddies who do have all my personal details including address and telephone numbers and I am sure that if I disappeared suddenly without trace that they would be able to track down what had happened to me and let the rest of the webbernet know. Though I'm not sure anybody would actually be all that interested :)

C J (C J), Thursday, 29 July 2004 12:34 (twenty-one years ago)

The archive aspect is also kinda creepy and weird, before InterWeb most of the dead people we knew existed only in our memories, and memories tend to turn golden; but thanks to archiving we could now stumble upon some bullshit the dead person has said in the past. I'm pretty sure that if one of my real-life friends were to die, I'd even burn all the letters I've received from her, because I couldn't bear to look at them.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 29 July 2004 12:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Back in 1997, there was a fellow on my Oasis list who was clearly one of the best new fellers we'd had on there in moons, a bright happy spark of a guy, I think barely had turned twenty, terribly passionate about music. I'd say he was on the list for about ten months? He was totally looking forward to the release of Be Here Now with sheer passion in his heart. And about a month before the album came out I received an e-mail from his sister -- he was dead. Meningitis, just like that. I couldn't count him as a friend off the list, but I immediately missed him and so did so many others who felt the loss very keenly. Wrote up a quick tribute page for him here:

http://kuci.org/~nraggett/ilan.html

Still there, a few things are of course quite outdated, but the spirit is true to the time.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 29 July 2004 13:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I remember quite soon after I joined S*n*st*r (Autumn 99?), a girl posted saying she was going to be leaving the list for a while because she had to go into hospital for an operation and it was quite serious and she was really scared. I don't remember her ever coming back and I always wondered if...

Madchen (Madchen), Thursday, 29 July 2004 13:33 (twenty-one years ago)

What a lovely tribute that was, Ned.

C J (C J), Thursday, 29 July 2004 13:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Ned that was lovely, tears are in my eyes!

PinXor (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 29 July 2004 14:14 (twenty-one years ago)

This is very apposite.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 29 July 2004 14:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Hm, interesting read, I'll have to look at it more closely at some point. (And thanks for the kind comments.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 29 July 2004 14:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Likewise. The "Cheers, mate" at the end really really threw me.

Double X.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 29 July 2004 14:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm sure I'm not the only person here who looked up that guy's Friendster profile just now.

Now I feel all creepy.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 29 July 2004 14:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I had a friend from another messageboard/chatroom who passed away a couple years ago. Cam was bright and witty, charming and just an all around lovely person to know. One of those people who could always cheer you up, without a thought to his own ongoing health problems. I found out one day when I tried to call him - he was supposed to be coming to LA from New Zealand, and I wanted to make sure I knew when I was supposed to pick him up at the airport and instead of reaching him, I got a policeman on the line who told me that Cam had apparently died sometime in the day or two prior. I miss him constantly.

luna (luna.c), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Luna, that's so sad. :-( *good thoughts* He is remembered well, and that is something important.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 30 July 2004 02:29 (twenty-one years ago)

A good friend of mine lost one of her best friends, who Id really only known online and met in person once (as he was from Sydney), to suicide. It was really unexpected, as those things sadly often are.

The worst part was his last Livejournal entry, the night before he passed on, that simply said "adieu". I suppose he knew what was in store. Friends have left his page up as a sort of tribute. It was terribly sad.

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 30 July 2004 02:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Death's a bugger to get to grips with. As a society, we don't like to think about mortality. We need to talk about it a lot more than we do, and be mentally prepared for it when it happens.

Fortunately I've not lost anyone close to me since the early '80s, but I know one day someone I'm close to will die, and in all honesty I have no idea how I'll react. With luck I'll have the strength to see it for what it is and be able to move on.

That said, a few times I've seen people disappear from internet forums &c., and secretly wondered if those people are no longer extant. It's a horrible thing to consider, but it's the very basis and core of our existence.

Careful with that Almanac Eugene (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 30 July 2004 03:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, and my wife and I have talked at length about what will happen when one of us dies. The chance of us dying at the same time isn't great, so we feel we need to be prepared for the day when one of us suddenly isn't there.

I mean, one day my wife might walk in front of a bus, or have an anaphylactic reaction to something, or suffer cardiac arrest; and then it'll just be me, and I'll have had no chance to say goodbye. This occurs to me nearly every day.

Careful with that Almanac Eugene (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 30 July 2004 03:04 (twenty-one years ago)

When I first got onto the internet, back in '97 or so, I was pretty excited about the possibilties of chatting with people from anywhere. So I randomly IMed a girl who went to the same college as I did. We IMed for about an hour and I found out her name was Melissa and she lived next door to my friend Ally in another dorm. I said "hey maybe I'll see you sometime", we joked around for a bit and I never chatted with her again. That was in October or November.

Anyway, after Christmas break I ran into my friend Ally and asked her how she was doing. She looked terrible, she asked me if I'd heard the news, I said no. She said "this girl who lived in my dorm, right next door to me, she went home for Christmas break and her ex boyfriend killed her. Her name was Melissa."

I talked to her one time for an hour, several months before, never met her, and I felt absolutely miserable for a long time. Can't ever forget her either.

Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 30 July 2004 03:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Grief. :-(

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 30 July 2004 03:15 (twenty-one years ago)

God, thats really sad Gear :(

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 30 July 2004 03:23 (twenty-one years ago)

A weird one for me: my ex-fiancee lives in Canada and we've sort of lost touch since we broke up. I only have contact with him via email these days as he moved and I dont have his current phone #. I've emailed him several times and done LJ shoutouts and yet I havent heard a peep out of him in about 4 months now. I'm sort of preturbed... I mean I wouldnt know if something happened. Eek.

(jraff if you are reading this, FFS email me!)

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 30 July 2004 03:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Way back in 1993 or so, a guy named Morten Skjefte emailed me out of the blue because he saw that I posted something to alt.music.alternative about The Church. He had just started up an email mailing list about the band called Seance and was recruiting people to subscribe. Morten was a navigationally-impaired Norwegian in San Francisco who was an earnestly major fan of the band and a all-round really nice guy who wandered the net and rounded up fans of the band and encouraged listfolk to meet at shows, trade tapes, and just be excellent to each other. He ran the list for most of the 1990s until one day it mysteriously stopped working. He hadn't posted in a long time, but that wasn't unusual for anyone on a mailing list.

Eventually, someone made contact and got the story. Morten had come down with an advanced form of cancer and had been fighting it for a long time. The list (and The Church's music) was one of the few things that was able to draw his attention away from things, but eventually the cancer won.

Someone else picked up the list after Morten and it continued for a year or so, and then I took it over and I've been running it since 1998.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 30 July 2004 03:35 (twenty-one years ago)

My brother got to be online acquaintances with a guy through some forum or other, they talked about music and this and that. And then the guy flipped out while on PCP and assorted other things one night and attacked somebody and went running around naked and when the cops tried to apprehend him he attacked the cops and they shot and killed him. My brother only found out about it because the story made the wires (the guy lived in a different city). It was weird for him because he never met the guy and didn't even know what he looked like, but at the same time he'd been exchanging frequent emails with him for months.

spittle (spittle), Friday, 30 July 2004 06:30 (twenty-one years ago)


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