How am I supposed to know if I'm getting taxed the right amount?

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With the Inland Revenue website being more difficult to read than Beowulf, more complicated than string theory and less accessible than a big bloody door with a big bloody lock surrounded by a big bloody forest full of big bloody wolves; not to mention the fact that the local tax office is conveniently open Mon-Fri 9am-4pm which is when I am working, surprisingly enough; AND that when I ring them up I get somebody's daughter telling me she'll send me a super complicated form to fill in.

And so once again I find myself turning to those who are in the know to ask: How do I know what I'm supposed to be being taxed? And am I allowed a rebate?

I earn a fairly meagre wage (twelveK a year) and get paid 1K a month, just under £200 of which goes towards student loan, national insurance and normal tax. Tonight I am starting a second job in order to stay afloat. You'd think that one office job would be enough but no I have to give up my Friday and Saturday night in order to keep going. I don't even live in my own accomodation or drive a car.

So you see, if I'm paying too much tax I'd like to know now. If someone who understands these things could kindly explain it to me or help me out in some way, that would be grand! :-)

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 30 July 2004 10:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh Jesus, I had a thread about this, but it was called something else...

I can't remember exactly what it is, but there's a code on your payslip which should be telling you what rate you are being charged at - if it says "Week One" or "Emergency Tax" (or whatever the codes for those are) then you are paying too much.

I did actually sit down and work it out a few months ago (with the help of a nice man from the tax office). You get a certain amount of pay for FREE, then you get a low rate on the next bit, then you have to pay full tax on the rest. Yes, it's confusing. But I made an excel spreadsheet to figure it all out.

Super-Masonic Black Hole (kate), Friday, 30 July 2004 10:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I did look on search - couldn't find it. As I say, the nice man from the tax office only works 6 hours a day and is impossible to get hold of as all his calls go via his daughter.

I've managed to get a rebate before but it's taken tremendous lengths and I don't want getting taxed more than I have to for working a second job.

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 30 July 2004 10:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, in your situation you're only likely to be paying too much if you're on emergency tax for some reason (code on payslip would be 474L, I think) or if you leave employment before the end of the tax year (as often happens when people become full time students).

Alba (Alba), Friday, 30 July 2004 10:59 (twenty-one years ago)

yeh, it's 474L. Still my NI seems unusually high. Oh well, maybe it's normal.

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 30 July 2004 11:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Your code *is* 474L? That's the emergency code = you *are* paying too much.

Alba (Alba), Friday, 30 July 2004 11:14 (twenty-one years ago)

BR is the emergency tax code.

Have a look here: http://www.inlandrevenue.gov.uk/pdfs/p3_2003.pdf for a guide to tax codes. They may have a calculator to help you work out whether you're on the right code of not, or at least will tell you how to work it out yourself.

Vicky (Vicky), Friday, 30 July 2004 11:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmm... plenty of things on the web say that the emergency code for 2004/5 is 474L. I dunno, I'm not an expert, but I got mucked about with this a while ago.

Alba (Alba), Friday, 30 July 2004 11:31 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.inlandrevenue.gov.uk/employers/rates_and_limits.htm#1c

Alba (Alba), Friday, 30 July 2004 11:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe 474L is the new BR (BR='Basic rate'), in which case according to this, you should indeed be on it for a second job:


More than one job

If you have more than one job, you will get a separate PAYE code for each job in which your earnings are taxed under PAYE, and normally a separate notice of coding for each job. All the reliefs and allowances you are entitled to will normally be included in the tax code for your main job. This means that all your earnings from the second job may be taxed. If so, the tax code you are given for the second job will be:-


BR: if you are being taxed at the basic rate of tax; or


DO: if you are being taxed at a higher rate of tax.


If the income earned from the second job takes you into the higher rate of tax, all the earnings from the second job will be taxed at the higher rate. If you are in this situation you may find that your tax bill will need adjusting at the end of the tax year.

(http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/index/life/tax/pay_as_you_earn_common_problems.htm)

I think you need to talk to that nice man's daughter again.

Alba (Alba), Friday, 30 July 2004 11:38 (twenty-one years ago)

(bit of a x-post)

you're right, BR is what employers sometime's stick you on when you start, and it presumes that you've got another job and doesn't give you a personal allowance, which is what happened to me.

Have you spoken to your HR unit? I didn't actually notice, but got a letter from payroll telling me about it (it only took them three years) , and I didn't need to fill in any forms, I just sent a letter to the tax man along with my P60s.

Vicky (Vicky), Friday, 30 July 2004 11:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmmm... Thanks guys. See, it's true that tax isn't the most obvious thing in the world. Must have a look at that site the second I have a minute.

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 30 July 2004 12:05 (twenty-one years ago)

GRAAAARGH I've just noticed that I'm on the emergency tax band, and I filled in all the sodding forms they asked me to at induction. Crapping bastard payroll personnel couldn't organise an orgy in a whorehouse.

Liz :x (Liz :x), Friday, 30 July 2004 12:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Annoying as it is, it's quite pleasant when you get a big check from the inland revenue, and suddenly start getting more money in your monthly pay packet.

Vicky (Vicky), Friday, 30 July 2004 12:13 (twenty-one years ago)

My tax code is 0474L C, wtf does this mean?

Also, Charlie, you earn pretty much the same as me, wtf are you doing with it that you can't afford to live with yr parents?!

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 30 July 2004 12:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm holding that thought in mind while I seethe (and enjoy a nice mustard honey chicken pitta).

xpost you're on emergency too Nick!

Liz :x (Liz :x), Friday, 30 July 2004 12:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Hang on... I got the nice big fat check, but my paycheck didn't increase. Am I still *being* taxed at the higher rate? Argh!

Super-Masonic Black Hole (kate), Friday, 30 July 2004 12:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Fuck's sake like, I must've been on this for two fucking years?! How do I get it back?

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 30 July 2004 12:16 (twenty-one years ago)

You can register with the inland revenue website and input your figures and they'll calculate the tax for you. I'm going to do this from this year - I did my tax return myself last year and was only £32 out.

Look on the bright side - anyone on emergency tax almost certainly has a windfall coming to them! (x-post obv)

Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 30 July 2004 12:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I know someone who works for the inland revenue. This could be useful. As soon as someone puts numbers in front of me I go all hazy - this is why I'm not fussed about the singles chart!

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 30 July 2004 12:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Sicko: Part of it is to do with student debt - but really I don't know. Take this for example. I went out at lunch and bought:
2 x bananas
1 x nectarine
1 x small packet of rolling tobacco
1 x small rizla
1 x large rizla
1 x box of filter tips
1 x red bull
1 x pineapple juice box

It cost me around £8. That's my wages for working two hours in tonight's evening shift.

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 30 July 2004 12:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Shite, look at us all! Haha! Cheeky monkeys are the tax dudes.

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 30 July 2004 12:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah, yr a smoker. There's the difference!

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 30 July 2004 12:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, but the last pack I bought was at last Saturday's Cambridge FAP and it was only a small pack out a machine so in reality I don't smoke a whole lot and rolling baccy costs a lot less than real tabs. I've been making trails since I started monitoring my spending with an excel spreadsheet. I've been trying to write everything I spend, although sometimes it's hard to remember EVERYTHING. It's still surprising that I still haven't come close to paying off my gargantuan overdraft from uni two years ago. They're going to start charging me criminal amounts in September so that's the main reason I'm getting the second job.

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 30 July 2004 12:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Right, it's only the last two paychecks that have been 0474L C - prior to that it was 0461L C (maybe the first couple do too from when I started but I've not got those to hand). Last month I got £49.76 overtime and this month (pay slip arrived this morning, money went in yesterday) a £590 bonus (I'm fucking good, like, innit); does this mean I'm entitled to s small rebate just on these last two months? I normally pay just over £150 in tax and NI each month (plus about £60 on my pension and £9 student loan); this month I've paid £461.02 in tax, the cunts, and last month I paid £243.44, meaning I've had £200 of my bonus nicked and almost all of my overtime?! Fucking assholes.

X-post. You track your spending? Fucking hell. I don't even open my bank statements - just check my balance at the TM when I take cash out. I paid off my overdraft with a graduate loan, which also wiped out my credit cards.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 30 July 2004 12:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I often don't even look at my pay slip properly; am I weird?

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 30 July 2004 12:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Nick 0461L is last year's emergency tax code - you are def. on emergency. Evil.

Liz :x (Liz :x), Friday, 30 July 2004 12:36 (twenty-one years ago)

wtf?!?!?!

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 30 July 2004 12:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Hah! I don't even check my bank balance - I'm too scared it'll depress me. But I have got into the habit of always reading anything the bank sends me as I accidentally ran up a huge credit card bill because I thought I was paying it by direct debit and I hadn't been. I'm on the black list now :-(

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 30 July 2004 12:37 (twenty-one years ago)

We should so get together for a drink. You could bring yr sister.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 30 July 2004 12:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm on 474L1 -- is that emergency?????????????????????

ENRQ (Enrique), Friday, 30 July 2004 12:39 (twenty-one years ago)

AAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!

How many times do I have to tell people? READ YOUR BANK STATEMENT. DO NOT RELY ON ATM BALANCES. You don't know the number of people I know who have got into trouble this way.

I have an Excel spreadsheet with my budget on it, but I only been sticking to it very loosely. I'm usually quite good with money, but you know, trips to Cambridge, impulse punting, these things are important!

Super-Masonic Black Hole (kate), Friday, 30 July 2004 12:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I've always found the inland revenue phone service very helpful and knowledgable so far. I have to do a tax return soon though, they owe me £100 and my tax code this year is definately wrong.

marianna, Friday, 30 July 2004 12:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Hold the wedding! I've just spoken to a nice payroll girlie and she has reassured me (kind of) that I'm probably not paying immense amounts of tax, the 'emergency' being a bit of a misnomer: it's when they kind of estimate how much you should be paying when you start at a new place of employment. However, I am going to ring the IR to check that I am on the right band, and attempt to winkle a P45 out of my previous temping agency.

Anyhoo, you can work out what you're paying by adding the income tax and national insurance bits and calculating that as a percentage of monthly gross. 22% is normal for £2-£30ishK/year.

Damn that was annoying for a while.

Liz :x (Liz :x), Friday, 30 July 2004 12:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Hi

Yes it is..

regards
ir3ne

-----Original Message-----
From: M1LLER, H3nry
Sent: 30 July 2004 14:42
To: Payroll UK
Subject:

Hi,

My tax code is 474L1 -- is this the emergency code?

H3nry M1ller

ENRQ (Enrique), Friday, 30 July 2004 12:53 (twenty-one years ago)

helpful!

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 30 July 2004 12:55 (twenty-one years ago)

A couple of years ago I helped 7 people at my workplace claim back a whole load of tax because they didn't realise they were on the wrong code. One guy got £5000.

Didn't buy me a point though did he, the cunt.

Huey (Huey), Friday, 30 July 2004 12:56 (twenty-one years ago)

'Yes. We keep all the tax for ourselves. k thx bye.'

ENRQ (Enrique), Friday, 30 July 2004 12:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Eurgh I hate being alarmed financially - I'm recovering from the adrenaline surge now though.

xpost gah what a cockfarmer

Liz :x (Liz :x), Friday, 30 July 2004 12:57 (twenty-one years ago)

So wtf do we do about this then? My dad used to be an accounts guy before he retired, ergo good with numbers. I shall be asking him some questions this weekend.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 30 July 2004 12:58 (twenty-one years ago)

You get in touch with your tax office (ask payroll for their number) and tell them your situation. They will check and set the rebate process in operation if relevant.

Alba (Alba), Friday, 30 July 2004 13:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Didn't buy me a point though did he, the cunt.

You should have just asked him to buy you a pint!

PinXor (Pinkpanther), Friday, 30 July 2004 13:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm much more keen on the idea of getting payroll to do this for me, what with it being their frickin' fault.

ENRQ (Enrique), Friday, 30 July 2004 13:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Ask him for me too and I may or may not have a word with my sister ;-)

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 30 July 2004 13:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I'll have a chat with him for you, Charlie...

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 30 July 2004 13:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Have you got a payslip handy? Do a quick calculation as above and if it's way over 22% scream to the Revenoo. You'll have to send them yr P60 from April, I think.

Oh, and messily murder all payroll personnel nationwide kthxbye

Liz :x (Liz :x), Friday, 30 July 2004 13:02 (twenty-one years ago)

If dog latin is only on 12K a year, then he should probably be paying a fair bit less than 22% though.

Alba (Alba), Friday, 30 July 2004 13:03 (twenty-one years ago)

b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but... N-n-n-n-numbers! *foetal under desk*

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 30 July 2004 13:03 (twenty-one years ago)

A few things I learned from experience:

Tip 1: Never EVAH throw away any of your payslips, even if they're from that ice cream job you did 10 years ago (I served Chris Rea, don'tcha know). Same goes for Ps 45 and 60.

Tip 2: Talk to someone nice at Inland Revenue and explain the situation to them - feign (or admit) complete stupidity and ignorance. It's likely they'll ask you to send in photocopies of all your payslips since the previous financial year (and perhaps before) and they'll sort it all out. Make sure you buy them a pint, mind.

Tip 3: The codes - the first 3 digits denote the amount of your wages you get before being taxed, i.e. "483L" says I can earn £4830 before the taxman cometh. The "L", I believe stands for your local tax office - mine is Lothian in Scotland. Despite the fact I live in Walthamstow.

Huey (Huey), Friday, 30 July 2004 13:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay - I'm paying 179.49 in NI and tax off of 1K a month. That's 17.94% tax right? Plus £15 student loan. Murderous!

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 30 July 2004 13:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I r confuzzled.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 30 July 2004 13:13 (twenty-one years ago)

here's the part where UKILX swings to the right...

ENRQ (Enrique), Friday, 30 July 2004 13:15 (twenty-one years ago)

God damn bloody bastards! EVERYONE IS ROBBING ME OF MY TAXES! TIME TO GET OUT OF EUROPE NOW! IT'S ALL THOSE FRENCH PEOPLE FUCKING UP THE SYSTEM!!! ;-)

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 30 July 2004 13:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm going to move to Greece. With Charlie's sister.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 30 July 2004 13:17 (twenty-one years ago)

was this sister also at HRSFC?

ENRQ (Enrique), Friday, 30 July 2004 13:18 (twenty-one years ago)

She went to the "other place" Enrique.

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 30 July 2004 13:18 (twenty-one years ago)

If dog latin is only on 12K a year, then he should probably be paying a fair bit less than 22% though.

Nope, the rate is the same from £2-30K.
Revenue info hurrah

Liz :x (Liz :x), Friday, 30 July 2004 13:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay, as I under stand it:

If you are paid £12,000 a year and have no other income:

The first £4740 is tax free.

The next £2020 is taxed at 10% (£202)

The remaining £5240 is taxed at 22% (£1153)

Therefore you should be receiving £10,645 after tax.

HOWEVER - National insurance is on top of that - it's roughly 9% on your gross salary - i.e. about £1080

So your total take-home pay should be roughly £9,565, which equates to £796 a month.

Does that make sense?

Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 30 July 2004 13:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Vaguelly.

http://www.refundsdirect.co.uk/index.html

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 30 July 2004 13:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmm... well that means I'm getting charged LESS tax than I ought to Markleby. Maybe I shouldn't ring that man's daughter after all!

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:32 (twenty-one years ago)


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