A Compromising Situation

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What do you think about the word and/or concept of Compromise?

Do you think that Compromise is a negative thing, or a positive thing?

Are there situations in which you should or shouldn't Compromise? For example, work, relationships, artistic endeavours?

How good are you at Compromising? Do you tend to be accomodating, and perhaps feel like a doormat? Or are you uncompromising, and you will never bargain on anything? Or do you always try to find the most equitable Win-Win situation?

What was the hardest compromise you ever had to make, and how did you handle it?

Super-Masonic Black Hole (kate), Monday, 2 August 2004 07:17 (twenty-one years ago)

hardest? live in ireland vs live in australia, we couldn't compromise so we split up

gem (trisk), Monday, 2 August 2004 07:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Is it too early on Monday morning to expect long answers, or are other people waiting for me to jump in and answer my own questions?

Super-Masonic Black Hole (kate), Monday, 2 August 2004 07:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Compromise is good. Being walked on is bad.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 2 August 2004 08:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Compromise is good within reason. It is all about the drawing of certain lines – soft limits, and hard limits (this is kind of a term we use at work, but suits quite well).

Soft limits are the point where you may compromise, depending on the situation. Hard limits, I will not move upon. Some people approach these in different ways – I know one person who completely doesn’t understand that when asking for things there is a point where the answer will be “no”, irrespective of the situation. It is just “no”.

I actually find that the better people at compromise are those that are givers themselves, and those that seem constantly on the take (and always perceive themselves as a giving sort, which is really funny in itself as I) they never do II) they have nothing to give) are really poor at understanding there are such boundaries.

The amount of times I have heard the “I would lend it to you if you were in this kind of situation” really bothers me. Because the simple fact is that I wouldn’t get myself into such a situation in the first place, so would never be asking for this! The way some people seek compromise is just wrong.

Err….I drifted a bit off topic here. I suppose I may have to come to some compromise soon. I am looking at a job in London – whether I will get it I doubt, but I suppose I might. My girlfriend is a trainee scots lawyer. I suppose that may result in some form of compromise, but it will be more an absolute decision I guess. Probably won’t come to that though.

___ (___), Monday, 2 August 2004 08:30 (twenty-one years ago)

The best thing is to start from a totally extreme, unreasonable position, so that it looks like you've compromised when you haven't. LIke trade union negotiations, I guess.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 2 August 2004 08:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I suspect that Alba might have a point. Maybe that's what I should have done all along.

Super-Masonic Black Hole (kate), Monday, 2 August 2004 08:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't actually believe that at all. I find it incredibly depressing to think that people take that kind of strategy.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 2 August 2004 08:59 (twenty-one years ago)

(I was actually joking) ;-)

Super-Masonic Black Hole (kate), Monday, 2 August 2004 09:01 (twenty-one years ago)

But an extreme position means that in many cases people just go 'fuck off, negotiation failed', leaving you with no power and a reputation for being arsey.

Compromise is something that two people have to agree to do, otherwise it's something else by definition (telling someone they must 'compromise' is often code for just wanting your own spoilt way).

suzy (suzy), Monday, 2 August 2004 09:02 (twenty-one years ago)

There's too much joking going on. Suzy is right, of course. I'm not joking.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 2 August 2004 09:05 (twenty-one years ago)

when I make compromises I try to make it clear that I've made a compromise, so that people don't just take it for granted. and yes only when it results in mutual gain mostly. except when i'm feeling generous/dumb or if it's for someone i like i suppose.

ken c (ken c), Monday, 2 August 2004 09:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I had a flatmate waaaay back who controlled our house of five people by always going on about how compromised she felt if she wanted her own way on something that affected us all. It's easy to stop this dead in its tracks by introducing the concept of entitlement issues, also the golden rule is that the person who shouts 'oh, you're all just being selfish!' is usually the most egocentric person in the group.

suzy (suzy), Monday, 2 August 2004 09:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Soft limits are the point where you may compromise, depending on the situation. Hard limits, I will not move upon. Some people approach these in different ways – I know one person who completely doesn’t understand that when asking for things there is a point where the answer will be “no”, irrespective of the situation. It is just “no”.

I think this is quite important, and a good way of looking at things. Because it works in almost all situations - work, creative, even relationships. If a person insists that you compromise on a hard limit, it's a probably sign that the people in the relationship are just incompatible.

when I make compromises I try to make it clear that I've made a compromise, so that people don't just take it for granted.

This is SOOOOO Urgent & Key. But not in a passive-agressive sort of "look, I'm making a compromise for you!" way, but rather so the other half doesn't take the compromise for granted. Suffering in silence != compromise. This can be as problematic as not compromising at all.

Super-Masonic Black Hole (kate), Monday, 2 August 2004 09:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Is there a difference between compromising in a work situation, a creative situation and a relationship situation?

Or is the mechanics of compromise the same?

I suspect that one can be a little more lax with work compromises, since it's something that doesn't particularly affect you emotionally. Creative situations, however, (such as bands) are often very much like romantic relationships, so I've found that the compromises involved are a lot more similar to relationship compromises than those involved with work compromises.

After all, with a job, you usually get to go home afterwards and walk away from it. It can upset/affect you, but only so much. It's a lot easier to leave a job than a marriage.

Super-Masonic Black Hole (kate), Monday, 2 August 2004 10:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I am ok at compromise in relationships, but not so good in work. I'm not ashamed of this though, I suppose I have more hard limits with regard to my work. Whereas with relationships I am less sure of myself so things are more fluid.

This could be because I have my values wrong, but really work matters a lot. You spend a lot of time there and it can be something that you really value (like, if being in a band was your main source of income)

Also, I am struck by the wisdom of whoever said that it is important to let people know when you are compromising. I dont think I do this enough.

isadora (isadora), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 02:51 (twenty-one years ago)

The important thing with a "hard" line, a definite "no" that you might have, is to STICK TO IT ALWAYS. Because if you fudge or relent even once, that person will keep on pushing at the point pr taking advantage or what have you.

Like Gem, my worst was the exact same thing - different countries, no one wanted to move, he couldnt do it, we broke up. I mean what can you do.

Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 03:00 (twenty-one years ago)

as it happens i'm very easygoing so i'm tops at compromising in most situations, work, family and friendship-related alike. that one was different - i didn't realise how important australia was to me until i was faced with the prospect of leaving it for good. interestingly, the irish chap in question is still living here too, almost 3 years after the split!

gem (trisk), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 03:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Gah! Mine was a culture thing - he was gonna move here but came to realise his French Canadian culture would be lost in Aus and he hadnt thought about it at all (after 12 months... I mean yeesh, but anyway). He couldnt leave it behind. I realised I'd be the same, so in the end I accepted it, even though it was bloody painful.

Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 03:32 (twenty-one years ago)

yuk. we tried living in ireland, came back here as the lifestyle here was better, then he eventually decided he didn't want to live here in the long term but i didn't want to go back there in the long term. so we split up, it was very sad. then when he was faced with the prospect of actually having to go back there, he changed his mind! it obviously wasn't meant to be.

gem (trisk), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 03:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Bastard! :P

Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 03:43 (twenty-one years ago)

heh yes! not really though, it all worked out for the best. he wanted kiddies post haste and i didn't, so to be honest i think that would have broken us if the location thing hadn't. we couldn't compromise on that either.

gem (trisk), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 03:51 (twenty-one years ago)

When first married, we honeymooned on an island off the coast of Maine. By chance, she was offered a great job at the local school and, I'm sure, I could have caught on to almost anything to live in this exceptional location.

It wasn't what she wanted. I did. But I wanted her more. We stayed together. We still vacation there and moved to the mountains instead. :)

jim wentworth (wench), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 04:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I did a negotiation recently in which neither party got what it wanted. So when she told me she would have to note that the agreement was non-precendential, I just said "damn right" and non-precedented her right back.

That story sounded better in my head.

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 11:30 (twenty-one years ago)


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