In Terminator 2: Judgement day, Cyberdyne made the robot that became the terminators with a chip from a terminator from the future (from the first terminator)

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So the terminators went back in time and created themselves? I WANT ANSWERS.

― David Allen (David Allen), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 15:53 (twenty-two years ago)

omg Marty McFly set his Mom up wit his Poppa!

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, they went back in time and (unwittingly) created themselves. Just like whatisface went back in time and fathered John Connor.

― Wooden (Wooden), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)

i like the Simpsons Halloween one where Homer travels back in time, kills a mosquito ('you gets squished now!') and it changes his present. esp. where it's raining doughnuts. i would like that.

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 16:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Plus: at the end of Terminator 2: Judgement Day, the kid destoyed all the evidence from the first robot (arm and chip) and second robot (Arnie, who could not self-terminate) by lowering them into molten metal. Because leaving behind this stuff made things go screwy in the first place.
BUT, minutes before that, in a big fight scene, the 2nd robot (Arnie) loses his arm in a fight with a 3rd (liquid) robot, which is ignored for the rest of the film. What happened to this arm? When they find it won't they able to make robots again?

And if the 2nd robot couldn't self-terminate, wasn't asking the kid to lower him the same thing as self-terminating?

I'm confused.

― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 16:03 (twenty-two years ago)

TODAY IS TIME TRAVEL DAY

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 16:03 (twenty-two years ago)

No matter which era you see it in, Terminator 3 is always shitty. It's a constant in the timestream.

― Huck, Tuesday, 3 August 2004 16:04 (twenty-two years ago)

WAS it a pred ship in alien???? *winky face*

― zebedee (zebedee), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 16:05 (twenty-two years ago)

no I quite liked Terminator 3 - it made the best of a bad situation, the bad situation being deciding to make a new Terminator movie. I hope I feel the same about Alien v Predator but I doubt it sadly.

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 16:05 (twenty-two years ago)

butbutbut The Terminatrix in T3 has a BUILT IN MODEM!!! that's cool.

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 16:07 (twenty-two years ago)

built-in 802.11g would be COOLER

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 16:08 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm sure she weighs more than that anyway

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 16:09 (twenty-two years ago)

WAS it a pred ship in alien????

I don't understand what you're saying, zeb. Alien was released in 1979, but Predator wasn't released until 1986????

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 16:13 (twenty-two years ago)

(haha)

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 16:13 (twenty-two years ago)

duh, the Predator went back in time to 1979 and made sure he got on camera

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 16:14 (twenty-two years ago)

really i want Tim Burton to make a sequel to his Planet Of The Apes. the thought of Marky Mark running around Washington DC being chased by chimps in police uniforms is just too good an opportunity for hilarity to pass up.

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 16:16 (twenty-two years ago)

or maybe that's just a regular Saturday night for Tombot?

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 16:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, as a movie it's not great, but Terminator 3 answers this guy's question in an evasive, philosophical way. "Judgment Day is inevitable," by destroying all the evidence, they only delayed the inevitable. Which kinda makes sense, because if humans came/come up with it, then we're bound to eventually get to that point of technological capacity as science progresses. So as long as Bush or his ilk aren't in the white house forever, it's simply a question of when we invent the robots that take over!

Plus, the robots just symbolize the cruel, unfeeling, 'bad science' side of human nature, so the inevitability works on that level, too.

― Richard K (Richard K), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 17:18 (twenty-two years ago)

"WAS it a pred ship in alien???? "

hey, that's revisionist history!

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 17:26 (twenty-two years ago)

"So as long as Bush or his ilk aren't in the white house forever, it's simply a question of when we invent the robots that take over!"

How do you know the robots haven't taken over already?

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 17:28 (twenty-two years ago)

There's a great deleted scene on the 1st Terminator film's DVD in which, as Sarah Connor is being wheeled into an ambulance, after squishing the deadly robot, it is revealed that the eponymous fucker was terminated in - yes! - a Cyberdyne Systems industrial plant. Two guys pick the chip up off the floor and decide to send it down to R&D.

Had they kept the scene, the plot would have explicitly described the delivery of the necessary and sufficient components for the creation both of John Connor and of Skynet.

2nd film culminates in "escape", the 3rd in (again) "delivery".

― Neil Willett (Neil Willett), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 17:36 (twenty-two years ago)

They're still talking about that Pred ship shit on IGN you know. I propose that everyone on ILX should go over there and make at least one post fucking with LeBrainBoy.
He pulls that superiority schtick on every IGN thread he's on, as far as I can tell.
If any of us got bored enough we could follow him around on IGN and get him all worked up. But that would make us as pathetic as he is, maybe.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 17:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I just revived the ILE thread about that debate, Aaron. I also replied LeBrainBoy on the IGN board, fingers crossed he'll start calling me all those funny names.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 17:48 (twenty-two years ago)

we need more evidencvesdfsfd

― Holy Crap! Typhoon is Coming!!! :O (ex machina), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 17:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Skynet's first thought on becoming self-aware was to ask itself - was that a predator ship, or what?

Skynet got the answer right, too.

― Neil Willett (Neil Willett), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 17:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I absolutely loved T3. I loved the downer ending. I loved the fact that John Connor's survival basically cemented his time and method of death.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 17:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Ok Tuomas, I just reposted all the TWX stuff on the other thread.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 18:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Skynet's first thought on becoming self-aware was to ask itself - was that a predator ship, or what?

And they modeled the T-1000's after Dutch Schaeffer, who killed one of their predators?

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 19:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Donnie Darko is the real John Connor in the correct time stream.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 19:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Skynet's first thought on becoming self-aware was to ask itself - was that a predator ship, or what?
And they modeled the T-1000's after Dutch Schaeffer, who killed one of their predators?

dude Neil and PP can I post that on IGN? If you don't wanna go to the trouble I will.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 19:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Arnie/Dutch is a T-101 though.
would it be funnier to:
A) Leave in the innaccuracy and let the fanboys try to correct me
B) Correct the inaccuracy and pretend to present it as serious argument?

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 19:24 (twenty-two years ago)

C) Seriously try to incorporate Donnie Darko into the Terminator/Predator thing

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 19:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Skynet's first thought on becoming self-aware was to ask itself - was that a predator ship, or what?
And they modeled the T-1000's after Dutch Schaeffer, who killed one of their predators?
Which created an tangent universe wherein a high school boy was granted superpowers to realign time threads which if left unchecked would mean the end of the world aka skynet becoming self aware and the 6 foot tall bunny is really a crypto-terminator cuz he killed jena malone with his car to set in motion the possibility of skynet becoming self aware if Donnie Darko doesn't telepathically rip off a jet engine from his mother's airplane and realign time and anything else is revisionist history.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 19:34 (twenty-two years ago)

do it!

― Holy Crap! Typhoon is Coming!!! :O (ex machina), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 19:36 (twenty-two years ago)

done. Go see.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 19:42 (twenty-two years ago)

awesome.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 19:45 (twenty-two years ago)

i am very pleased with how this thread has "progressed".

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 19:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I've never been prouder to be an ilx0r.

― The Dreaded Rear Admiral (Leee), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 19:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm going to think long and hard about this.

― Holy Crap! Typhoon is Coming!!! :O (ex machina), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 19:49 (twenty-two years ago)

it should say "telekinetically" but oh well.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 19:51 (twenty-two years ago)

You can edit your posts you knuckle-dragging mouth-breathing heavy-browed nincompoop!

― The Dreaded Rear Admiral (Leee), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 19:53 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah i know I wasn't gonna bother but now with the name calling I will. Any other changes requested?

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 19:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, Aaron. Pass that cok that u r smoking. That's too much.

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 20:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I challenged Le BrainBoy to come to ILX and pwn us, let's give him a royal welcome if he does.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Do we need another wanky troll though?

I kind of liked how lame our board invasion was, to be honest.

― The Dreaded Rear Admiral (Leee), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 20:35 (twenty-two years ago)

If he ever actually comes on here and posts, I'll be shocked.
Besides if he did I'd want to find out if he's got anything in his arsenal besides standard D&D player type sci-fi/fantasy nerd superiority complex.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 20:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Besides that, C-Man vs. LeBrainBoy has knockdown-drag-out klassic potential.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 20:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha you guys, the debate keeps getting better and better! Latebloomer, are you "Pornagain", by the way?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 07:36 (twenty-two years ago)

(I just posted a huge conspiracy theory there involving the Smurfs, the Bunnies and the Terminators. I hope someone will try to contest it...)

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 07:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I am indeed Pornagain.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 08:26 (twenty-two years ago)

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the first matrix is great, the second one has good parts surrounded by bullshit, the third is one of the worst movies i've ever seen. i don't know why the bit of dialogue i remember most from all the films is "and the little one behind you is called mouse" though.

-- omar little, Monday, November 19, 2007 6:56 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

otm

― latebloomer, Monday, 19 November 2007 19:01 (eighteen years ago)

omg I have still not seen stealth
netflix queue corrected

― El Tomboto, Monday, 19 November 2007 19:01 (eighteen years ago)

i need to re-watch it myself. i got off on the wrong foot with that movie.

― latebloomer, Monday, 19 November 2007 19:02 (eighteen years ago)

let's see, what others:

Superman 3
2001

and apparently, Demon Seed

― kingfish, Monday, 19 November 2007 19:04 (eighteen years ago)

Westworld
Futureworld

and for some reason, imdb lists "Red Sonja" in its "Killer Robot" section: http://imdb.com/keyword/killer-robot/

― kingfish, Monday, 19 November 2007 19:06 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.wired.com/news/images/full/screen_three_f.jpg
http://metropolitician.blogs.com/scribblings_of_the_metrop/_quickdead_images_tv_battlestar_galactica8.jpg

― max, Monday, 19 November 2007 19:06 (eighteen years ago)

That graphic shows that the machines are making us work for them.

― Pleasant Plains, Monday, 19 November 2007 19:08 (eighteen years ago)

rofl. It's a paradox, just like in 12 Monkeys...time is a looooooooop

― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 02:28 (eighteen years ago)

oh and T3 ruled. except for the corny jokes like the gay glasses and "I am not sheeting you"

― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 02:31 (eighteen years ago)

matrix 2 will always be worse than 3 for me because i was prepared for how bad 3 was gonna be and 2 just blindsided me with its pure fuckin pathetic shittiness

― s1ocki, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 03:05 (eighteen years ago)

see, I think 2 is the most honest of the bunch
a welcome respite from the po-faced intensity of 1 and 3

― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 03:42 (eighteen years ago)

T3 was great, but nu-battlestar and matrix 1 are my all time fave roborevolution movies

― max, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 03:56 (eighteen years ago)

i thought t3 was great when i saw it

then i saw it again last month

NOT GREAT :(

― s1ocki, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 04:21 (eighteen years ago)

I'MAFRIENDOFSARAHCONNERIWASTOLDSHEWASHERECANISEEHERPLEASE?

Wargames=Tron=T1>>>>> any others

Saturn 5 ?
(with kirk douglas, was that the name?)

― Ste, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 09:48 (eighteen years ago)

Saturn 3 - also with Farah Fawcett, and Harvey Keitel!

Saturn 3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> M3

― ledge, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 09:50 (eighteen years ago)

I saw Saturn 3 as a kid on a double bill with Hawk the Slayer and it had the most gore I had ever seen in my 12 year-old life.

― Noodle Vague, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 09:54 (eighteen years ago)

colossus: the forbin project dvd not widescreen = grrr

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/colossus08.jpg

― Edward III, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 15:07 (eighteen years ago)

also, ron howard to remake c: tfp

― Edward III, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 15:24 (eighteen years ago)

six months pass...

http://www.technoccult.com/archives/2008/06/05/open-source-personal-fabrication-device-creates-first-copy-of-itself/

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Thursday, 5 June 2008 15:08 (eighteen years ago)

lol i love all those singularity guys

― gff, Thursday, 5 June 2008 15:11 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.warrenellis.com/?p=5993

The IEEE Spectrum "special report" on The Singularity makes for interesting reading, but I’d like you to try something as you click through it. When you read these essays and interviews, every time you see the word "Singularity," I want you to replace it in your head with the term "Flying Spaghetti Monster."

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Thursday, 5 June 2008 15:27 (eighteen years ago)

did this really need three revives? anyway i see it (obviously) can't replicate the crucial motors or circuit boards, or assemble the parts. that stage seems pretty far off to me, if and when they reach that stage i will be impressed (and terrified).

even ignoring the von neumann aspects though, a low-cost fabber is pretty cool, and who knows, maybe it could change the world economy...

― ledge, Thursday, 5 June 2008 15:30 (eighteen years ago)

</faux-naif>

― ledge, Thursday, 5 June 2008 15:40 (eighteen years ago)

anyway i see it (obviously) can't replicate the crucial motors or circuit boards, or assemble the parts

really? so how are they claiming it's 'replicated' itself.

Tosh?

― Ste, Thursday, 5 June 2008 15:41 (eighteen years ago)

the claims are overblown but it's an important concept using stock parts and having the custom parts assembled by another machine of the same type.

― Jarlrmai, Thursday, 5 June 2008 16:29 (eighteen years ago)

one month passes...

where does the bouncy elastic bassline in Fingers 'Can U Feel It', 'Washing Machine' etc. come from? just an SH-101 tone or similar? such a great sound

― blueski, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 19:00 (eighteen years ago)

ok this is why tabbed browsing is bad

― blueski, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 19:00 (eighteen years ago)

hahahaha

― and what, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 19:21 (eighteen years ago)

THE BASSLINES ARE CONSTRUCTING THEMSELVES

― goole, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 19:23 (eighteen years ago)

cosmic

― Just got offed, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 19:24 (eighteen years ago)

In the Anubis Gates, a literature professor travels back in time to meet an obscure poet on the day he writes his masterpiece, the guy never shows, and the professor ends up getting drunk and transcribing it from memory.

I WANT ANSWERS!

― Oilyrags, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 19:25 (eighteen years ago)

I like that chills-down-spine/cognitive dissonance bit in Anubis Gate where a guy, as far as he knows the only time traveller, has been stuck in Victorian (?) London for ages, and then he hears someone whistling 'Yesterday'.

And I liked the way T3 (which I thought was good, and which surprised me), had the balls to actually end the world at the end. The bit where they finally make it to the secret controls, and it's just a 1950s bomb shelter, blew my mind.

― James Morrison, Thursday, 24 July 2008 00:26 (eighteen years ago)

yea, really if they had ended T3 any other way I'd have wondered "why the fuck did they bother making this movie"....

― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Thursday, 24 July 2008 02:03 (eighteen years ago)

that was a good ending.

― s1ocki, Thursday, 24 July 2008 03:45 (eighteen years ago)

that ending basically saves every other dumb thing about it (which actually there aren't many besides the TX being kind of ridiculous)

― El Tomboto, Thursday, 24 July 2008 04:14 (eighteen years ago)

also anubis gates rules

― El Tomboto, Thursday, 24 July 2008 04:15 (eighteen years ago)

i'd never heard of it

should i read it

― s1ocki, Thursday, 24 July 2008 04:17 (eighteen years ago)

haha greatest revive ever

― Ste, Thursday, 24 July 2008 08:33 (eighteen years ago)

Anubis Gates is a pretty good time-travel adventure goof. Tim Powers has a good pirate/voodoo goof called "On Stranger Tides" that's far superior to any Johnny Depp bullshit, too.

― Oilyrags, Thursday, 24 July 2008 12:39 (eighteen years ago)

That "Yesterday" bit sounds awesome but I'm sorry it is ruined for me.

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Friday, 1 August 2008 21:25 (eighteen years ago)

don't believe this revive

― webinar, Friday, 1 August 2008 21:51 (eighteen years ago)

8.00pm 8.00pm

― webinar, Friday, 1 August 2008 21:51 (eighteen years ago)

here's what bothers me about Back to the Future...

they set up half the movie saying omg, if my father and mother don't meet i will cease to exist...yet somehow Marty goes back in time and writes Johnny Be Goode?

― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Saturday, 2 August 2008 18:04 (eighteen years ago)

white people needed to take back the roots of rock music

― omar little, Saturday, 2 August 2008 18:06 (eighteen years ago)

that'd be like Vanilla Ice going back in time and writing It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold us Back

― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Saturday, 2 August 2008 18:06 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vY_Ry8J_jdw

― chap, Saturday, 2 August 2008 18:19 (eighteen years ago)

nine months pass...

where does the bouncy elastic bassline in Fingers 'Can U Feel It', 'Washing Machine' etc. come from? just an SH-101 tone or similar? such a great sound

Not similar. An SHS-1000. Advanced prototype.

― Doctor Casino, Friday, 22 May 2009 20:11 (seventeen years ago)

http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/05/14/i-will-always-have-been-back-toward-a-grand-unified-theory-of-schwarzenegger/

― Vokuhila (latebloomer), Saturday, 23 May 2009 17:01 (seventeen years ago)

thirteen years pass...

they didn't invent themselves, they were ~always there~

― Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Friday, 1 July 2022 20:15 (four years ago)

Very late to this thread but it's called a bootstrap paradox. Doctor Who did it with a fez.

The thing with the arm that rob bolton mentioned 18 years ago is something that's always bugged me. It seemed like a clear setup for a sequel, but none of the sequels ever used it.

― adam t. (abanana), Saturday, 2 July 2022 22:35 (four years ago)

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