The rave scenes in Britain in the USA

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All these PLUR threads make me wonder. I've come to realise that there are a lot of differences between raves in the US and in Europe. I've been to quite a few British raves and they don't seem to sync in with the perception of ravers in the States (who seem very annoying).

But what I've been led to believe are the following differences:

- Average age of a raver is younger in the US (about 16-17 compared to abou 19-20 in the UK)
- Candy ravers (Wtf? British attire is usually camopants and dreadlocks - not dummies and beads)
- Acts: Oakenfold and Shadow will play raves in the States but in the UK you're more likely to see DJ Scruttocks and his Bangalanga Getdown Van.
- Commerciality: more commercialised in the States? I don't know about this one.
- It seems a lot less scummier than British raves.
- Legality - UK raving has been illegal for ages, but the US has only recently passed the Rave Act.

Can anyone confirm these or tell me more about the differences?

― dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 07:28 (twenty-one years ago)

that should read "The Rave Scenes In Britain and In The USA" - we haven't quite joined the states yet.

― dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 07:30 (twenty-one years ago)

- Acts: Oakenfold and Shadow will play raves in the States but in the UK you're more likely to see DJ Scruttocks and his Bangalanga Getdown Van.

Meaning US raves have bigger name performers? Depends on which you go to. Perhaps those in the UK only hear about the big name DJ-ed, corporate sponsored American raves

- Commerciality: more commercialised in the States? I don't know about this one.

Again, depends on which raves you're talking about. I think on the whole raves in the States are still a lil bit more 'underground' than in the UK.

- It seems a lot less scummier than British raves.
Then it must be REALLY scummy in the UK.

- Legality - UK raving has been illegal for ages, but the US has only recently passed the Rave Act.

They were illegal from day one here.

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 07:48 (twenty-one years ago)

actually I find it strange that people in the US are still throwing raves.

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 07:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeh? hmm..

― dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 08:03 (twenty-one years ago)

actually I find it strange that people in the US are still throwing raves.

Yeah, I thought raves were pretty much dead in the U.S. by 1998, 1999. Why are we still talking about raves? Dumpster Diving is the new rave in the U.S.

― cramedog, Wednesday, 4 August 2004 12:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Dumpster diving is SO passe

― Holy Crap! Typhoon is Coming!!! :O (ex machina), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 12:36 (twenty-one years ago)

why did they die out? don't people listen to dance music any more?

― dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 12:38 (twenty-one years ago)

People be clubbin in clubs

― Holy Crap! Typhoon is Coming!!! :O (ex machina), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 12:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, on the local dance music web board someone got laughed out of there for asking where all the raves were.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 12:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Are there still raves in the UK?

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 12:47 (twenty-one years ago)

yes. why not. not everyone likes clubs. didn't clubs exist before 1999? i see them as seperate things entirely.

― dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 12:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I am not pooh-poohing at all. I just don't hear about them anymore.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 12:55 (twenty-one years ago)

still plenty of squat parties about if you fancy dancing to dark jungle in disused east end tower blocks surrounded by 12 year old kids selling crack and gangs going round looking to rape or steal from girls who've had too much ketamine.

― Jay79, Wednesday, 4 August 2004 13:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Sounds positively delightful.

― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 13:38 (twenty-one years ago)

yes, there's those. there's some nice outdoor ones too though.

― dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 13:41 (twenty-one years ago)

there was an outdoor rave held not far from my house about a year ago, but yeah i thought that mostly they didnt exist anymore.

― Ste (Fuzzy), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 13:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I wish the Midwestern gal in my office would stop assuming I like Crystal Method and Oakenfold just because I is from the LDN.

― Adam from the L:')DN (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 14:08 (twenty-one years ago)

They were illegal from day one here.

???

― Lukas (lukas), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 16:37 (twenty-one years ago)

in Canada the outdoor raves pretty much disappeared by the end of the 90s. The clubs took over - they started building bigger and bigger clubs and they marketed them as "all-ages alcohol-free" events. so parents were vrey pleased their kids were'nt going out and getting drunk.

i haven't heard anyone mention a rave or going raving in about 5 years.

― Anthony (Plato Guy), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 17:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the situation in the U.S is the same - apart from the odd, big, semi-corporate event, the scene seemed to die out by the end of the 90s.
I found "raving in the UK' scummier than in the US, when I tried both. More PLUR in the States, more open, multi-pill usage in the UK. More hands-in-the-air dancing in the UK, more psychdelic, tripping-out dancing in the US.
More sexualised in the UK, less in the US.

― paulhw (paulhw), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 20:25 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah raves have been dead dead dead in thes states for about a decade now. sh1t i am getting old

― kephm, Wednesday, 4 August 2004 20:31 (twenty-one years ago)

sexualised?

― dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 22:21 (twenty-one years ago)

They were illegal from day one here.

???

??? There wasn't a specific NO RAVES, KIDDOS law, but trespassing and throwing a huge overnight party on that trespassed property has always been illegal in the US. Yes, from the mid-90s on there were promoters---who were sick of their parties getting busted---who tried to obtain permits, hire off-duty cops as security, etc and throw a legal rave, but this more or less put the nail in the rave coffin.

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 22:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Well yeah, trespassing has always been illegal here too. But they didn't all involve trespass. Yeah, fire regulations and all that come into play too. I guess a lot of it comes down to criminal vs. civil law. I dunno. It doesn't sound like there was much difference in the legal status of early raves in the UK and USA.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 22:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Another way for police to bust raves that otherwise complied with local laws and ordinances was to get people on curfew. Not only would those who were underage have to leave, but the whole thing would get shut down because the promoters would get charged with willfully ignoring the curfew laws. And there was always the drug aspect. All the police need is "probable cause".

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 22:44 (twenty-one years ago)

The point was though, oops, that there have always been ways in which raves can be shut down by the law, but that UK legislation explicitly aimed at outlawing unlicensed ones came into force over a decade ago, but it sounds like the US's equivalent Rave Act was only recently passed.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 22:50 (twenty-one years ago)

but did you have an equivalent to the criminal justice bill of which i know little about but basically outlawed large gatherings with music, i.e. raves? These I believe were imposed late 80s/early 90s in the UK.

― dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 22:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Right. But a rave here basically is defined (or at least was initially) as "an illegal party."

xpost

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 22:52 (twenty-one years ago)

right.

― dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 22:52 (twenty-one years ago)

in britain/ireland/europe we meet prospective partners on ecstacy and have wedding vows which begin "ecstacy, ecstacy" a la energy flash or alternatively for euros the riff from plastic dreams by jaydee is sung by a priest.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 5 August 2004 01:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I read that as "plastic dreams sung by judas priest" and was wondering what drugs you lot are really on.

― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 5 August 2004 03:46 (twenty-one years ago)

same here

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 5 August 2004 03:51 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost i think

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 5 August 2004 03:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Ronan, your persistent misspelling of your beloved ecstasy displeases me.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 5 August 2004 10:21 (twenty-one years ago)

five years pass...

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-rave-ecstasy-20100705,0,1073843.story?track=rss

― buzza, Monday, 5 July 2010 15:26 (fifteen years ago)

I know this is tactless to say, but Yuritzi Meza is HOT!

― PappaWheelie V, Monday, 5 July 2010 16:51 (fifteen years ago)

A connection between raves and ecstasy? Well I never.

― rhythm fixated member (chap), Monday, 5 July 2010 16:53 (fifteen years ago)

Has this book been mentioned on ILM?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_FcK7EMX3A

― mmmm, Monday, 5 July 2010 17:42 (fifteen years ago)

The drug's prevalence is no surprise to national and local officials, who report increases in both its supply and demand in Los Angeles County. In 2005, 4.5 of every 10,000 people entering treatment for substance abuse in Los Angeles County said Ecstasy was their primary drug of choice. By 2009, it was 33.6 — more than seven times as many.

The prevalence is no surprise, having increased from an alarming 0.045% of problem cases to a whopping 0.3%!!!!

― oh shit a ◕‿‿◕ (sic), Tuesday, 6 July 2010 00:31 (fifteen years ago)

That's some statistic relevancy, there.

― mh, Tuesday, 6 July 2010 02:11 (fifteen years ago)

one year passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ6JwVmAMqI

― kkvgz, Thursday, 28 July 2011 16:30 (fourteen years ago)

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