Is it possible to not like the Dalai Lama?

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I've never met anyone who doesn't like the guy. He makes me smile.

toraneko, Saturday, 10 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I found an article called "Why I Hate The Dalai Lama" but I don't think the woman who wrote it actually does hate the Dalai Lama.

toraneko, Saturday, 10 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I don't think the Chinese government is very fond of him.

Nick, Saturday, 10 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Isn't there a sect/offshoot of monks who he's persecuted [rightly/wrongly-I can't remember] who hate him

, Saturday, 10 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh, I think rightly.

Nick, Saturday, 10 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Hitler also was a mountain nomad.

Benjamin, Saturday, 10 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I don't 'hate' the Dalai Lama, but I agree with the article above regarding idealization on the part of some of those Free Tibeters. For example, the Dalai Lama disagreed with them about boycotting Chinese products. He's also against abortion, which ought to make some of those people squirm.

Kerry, Saturday, 10 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

dalai lama=yoda=fozzy bear.

Geoff, Saturday, 10 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Apparently Christopher Hitchens also has some problems with the Dalai Lama.

Kerry, Saturday, 10 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Does he like the Strokes?

DG, Saturday, 10 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Elton John bizarrely accused the Dalai Lama of doing "fuck all" after 9/11.

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 10 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

john ralston saul was nasty to him and his faith in the doubters companion but it was a rather vicous volume

anthony, Saturday, 10 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The taxpayers of India shouldn't be too fond of his freeloading ass.

Kris, Saturday, 10 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Do you really consider refugees to be freeloaders? If so then you should come to Australia where you'd find that the current government agrees with you.

toraneko, Saturday, 10 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"Traditional" tibet = slavery and servitude and male domination and ppl dying of salt deficiency.

STerling Clover, Sunday, 11 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Why did I just know that Sterling Clover would make a fatuous and morally obtuse comment on this topic?

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Sunday, 11 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Well, I wouldn't know about the salt deficiency thing (I get this image of some sort of salt taboo -- "You must eat your Fritos *unsalted." "No! Spare us!"), but I do have to say that Tibet on its own surely couldn't have been just Shangri-La writ large. I suspect the propaganda goes both ways.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 11 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I don't think the Chinese government worship at his altar if you get my drift.

Pete, Monday, 12 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

This is from a Daily Telegraph story, Sept. 1999:

"Rupert Murdoch, the chairman of News Corporation, was condemned by human rights activists and Tibetans yesterday after criticising the Dalai Lama and condoning the Chinese occupation of Tibet.

Mr Murdoch, who hopes to expand his business interests in China, said of the leader of Tibetan Buddhism: "I have heard cynics who say he's a very political old monk shuffling around in Gucci shoes."

Andrew L, Monday, 12 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"slavery and servitude and male domination and ppl dying of salt deficiency": don't follow yr point, Tad — which of these policies was Gore in favour of? Tibet before Chinese invasion = Tibet after Chinese invasion = fairly horrible place

mark s, Monday, 12 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Wow, I'm known for fatuous and morally obtuse comments? I = new Dave Q?

In any case, the chinese invasion did end slavery. Everything the monks lobby for [exempting certain aspects of religious suppression which are purely symbolic, and are indeed bad] amounts to something which would make life worse for most tibetians.

The monks he expelled were kicked out for PR reasons -- they worshipped a vengeful angry god & that was bad for rubbing shoulders in Hollywood.

Also, the CIA backed the Lama uprising in '59. Shouldn't that tell you something sort of knee-jerk?

As for the salt -- you can only get it from certain flats in the region, which involves an arduous trek across arid wasteland. If they had trucks and department stores &c. then life would be much easier. Also hot running water. Also gas, so they wouldn't have to burn feces.

Sterling Clover, Monday, 12 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

sinker: also, wuz Reagan per se in favor of throwing women in birkas & locking them in the house & shooting female schoolteachers? He was a rightist, but I wouldn't go that far. Nonetheless he funds them as anti-soviet, right? So support for tibet = anti-China = mildly similar situation.

Sterling Clover, Monday, 12 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

John Ralston Saul is also an arrogant cockfarmer. I didnt think it was possible to make the Governer General appear warm and friendly in person but next to him, she does. yeah hes smart and possibly the best thinker to come out of Canada but that doesnt mean he needs that carrot up his ass.

I have respect for anyone who can fix a watch.

Mr Noodles, Wednesday, 14 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

erm i can't work out if we are agreeing or disagreeing sterling

mark s, Wednesday, 14 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

tibet after chinese invasion = mildly better, and presence of modern tech in region poses at least mild possibility of improvement. But still incredibly horrible.

Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 14 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Well, a delayed reaction is better than no reaction, so here goes:

Wow, I'm known for fatuous and morally obtuse comments? I = new Dave Q?

Yer comments = fatuous and morally obtuse because they echo the various apologia various imperialists have used to justify their conquests and subsequent actions in foreign lands. The Romans ended human sacrifice among Druids, and the Spaniards ended it among Aztecs and Incas. The British ended the Indian practice of women throwing themselves on funeral pyres. If it wasn't for slavery, African- Americans would be living in squalor in Africa. The factory workers in Manchester had a better life in Manchester than they did as peasant farmers in the countryside. Palestinians have better education, sanitation, government, etc. in the occupied West Bank/Gaza Strip than they had before and they would have in Egypt, Jordan, any other Arab country. Those silly Afghanis need to be shown how to live a truly Islamic life by us Saudis.

The point being, not that the conquered's lives have been materially "improved" by the conquerors -- the real points are, that they have been conquered, that they are being occupied by a foreign power against their will, and whatever the situation was before conquest they are presently subject to human rights abuses. Hope you feel good being on the same side of this issue as the folks in Beijing, or mouthing the same rationales as such exemplars of human rights as Ariel Sharon.

And oh yeah, stating "the CIA was involved!", as if that fact alone somehow proves yer point, is not only fatuous and obtuse but also infantile.

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Sunday, 25 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The Dalai Lama. Although I have never met him, I think that he's a very intelligent man, and is just living. He's a meek& mild man who loves peace, and lives a simple life, as do his people. Gale

Gale Deslongchamps, Sunday, 25 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

two years pass...
Ahhhhh...... yes! Lives a simple life - in Gucci shoes. Even Clive James have difficulty living his meek and mild existence living down that one!

Dollar Lama, Saturday, 6 March 2004 09:59 (twenty-two years ago)

The Dalai Lama is kind of gay.

Sym (shmuel), Saturday, 6 March 2004 11:47 (twenty-two years ago)

He's always got that look on his face. Like he hid some candy and only he knows where it is.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 6 March 2004 11:54 (twenty-two years ago)

ask his brother.

teeny (teeny), Saturday, 6 March 2004 15:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Elton John bizarrely accused the Dalai Lama of doing "fuck all" after 9/11.

Elton was just angry because the Dalai Lama accused Elton of doing "fuck all" after the death of Gianni Versace.

Skottie, Saturday, 6 March 2004 15:45 (twenty-two years ago)

And then, Elton is still reeling from the comment by the Right Reverend Rowan Williams, Archbishop of Canterbury, who accused the singer of having done "fuck all" since "Rock of the Westies."

Skottie, Saturday, 6 March 2004 15:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't like him.

Cunt.

Johnney B (Johnney B), Saturday, 6 March 2004 17:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I may have once said that any friend of Richard Gere isn't a friend of mine.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 6 March 2004 17:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I lived in Bloomington for four years but never ate at the Tibetan Restaurant next to my church because I was (am) a really picky eater and didn't want to deal with all the vegetables and stuff.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 6 March 2004 17:57 (twenty-two years ago)

He slept over at my friend Luke's house. Apparently, he was really nice.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 6 March 2004 18:03 (twenty-two years ago)

what's wrong with richard gere? our friend's daughter just worked as his florist for a month and said he was really nice as well.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Saturday, 6 March 2004 18:12 (twenty-two years ago)

the Tibetan Restaurant

YAK TACOS!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 6 March 2004 18:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Tibetan restaurant??!? That's an alarming idea.

Everything I've ever read indicates that traditional Tibetan food consists mainly of: tea with rancid yak butter in it and a dish called tsampa, which is parched barley soaked in tea and rancid yak butter. That was about it for regular daily fare. Dal (lentil mush) was a special treat for festivals.

Aimless (Aimless), Saturday, 6 March 2004 19:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll admit my problems with Richard Gere are based solely on movies and speeches he's given on TV.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 6 March 2004 19:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the restaurant is called the Snow Lion and its in downtown Bloomington. Should be easy to find if you go there.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 6 March 2004 19:40 (twenty-two years ago)

i still like the idea of YAK TACOS, even if the tibetans themselves don't eat yak meat (but i thought that they did, kinda like beef jerky in texture no?)

Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 6 March 2004 19:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Tibetan food is good, you people are insane. Richard Gere mostly sucks, but was great in Days of Heaven.

hstencil, Saturday, 6 March 2004 19:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Days of Heaven YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES

This is one of the great movies.

But I can never forgive the D.L. for what he said about Sir Elton. See above.

Skottie, Saturday, 6 March 2004 19:50 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, but days of heaven would have been great with or without him. and mind you, it's on my top ten list of films i want to be buried with. jeff bridges would have been even better.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 6 March 2004 19:56 (twenty-two years ago)

This about sums up what I've read elsewhere:

Tsampa, butter tea, yak cheese, and yak and sheep meat are the most common Tibetan foods. Tsampa is roasted barley ground into flour. Tibetans mix butter tea with tsampa to make an instant meal. Butter tea is yak butter and salted black tea churned together, and resembles broth. The female yak (dri) provides rich milk from which butter, yogurt, and various dried cheeses are derived.

The above were daily staples, while the below were much less so:

Other common Tibetan foods include a hearty soup of meat and thukpa (fresh noodles), thing mo (steamed dough) with tsel (vegetable stew), and momo (filled dumplings). Tibetans also enjoy a home-brewed, tangy barley beer known as chang.

Yum.

Aimless (Aimless), Saturday, 6 March 2004 20:04 (twenty-two years ago)

don't knock it 'til you try it.

hstencil, Saturday, 6 March 2004 20:11 (twenty-two years ago)

If I lived their now I would undoubtedly check it out.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 6 March 2004 20:39 (twenty-two years ago)

THERE now.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 6 March 2004 20:39 (twenty-two years ago)

the cia support of the uprising in tibet, not actually linked to the lama, was one of their brighter moments. of course when nixon moved to normalize relations with china we sold them out but that was to be expected i guess, the nepalese did worse.

keith m (keithmcl), Saturday, 6 March 2004 20:46 (twenty-two years ago)


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