― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 21:12 (twenty-one years ago)
i completely agree with you. a lot more people were killed in wwii, but there's something haunting about the trenches and the gas and the horrible senselessness of going over the top.
― mookieproof (mookieproof), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 21:22 (twenty-one years ago)
― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 21:23 (twenty-one years ago)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3534068.stm
Despite the danger he faced, he thinks he had an easy time of it compared to men who served in the infantry.
"On the western front, men in the trenches stood in water up to their knees. They had to eat and sleep in that water. How did they manage?" he said.
He said those men regularly had to march for miles on end only to stop and dig trenches before marching on again.
"They were like hermit crabs," he said. "But I've always said the men in the trenches were what won the war for us."
One of those men, John Oborne of the Light Infantry, also attended the Cenotaph ceremony, despite preferring to leave his memories of the war in the past.
"You wouldn't like to know what I did," he said. "What do you go to war for? To kill people."
"I thought I'd be doing some good, even though I was just a tiny cog in a great big wheel. I never gave it a thought that I'd be killing people.
Mr Allingham used to share that reticence, but shares his experiences now to honour those who died in the war, and to help the modern generation understand the horrors they witnessed.
"War's stupid," he said. "Nobody wins. You might as well talk first, you have to talk last anyway."
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 21:25 (twenty-one years ago)
This stuff always has me in tears.
― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 21:28 (twenty-one years ago)
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs,
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots,
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame, all blind,
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of gas-shells drop softly behind.
Gas! GAS! Quick, boys! – An ecstasy of fumbling,
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time,
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And flound’ring like a man in fire or lime-
Dim through the misty panes and thick green light,
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.
In all my dream before my helpless sight
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.
If in some smothering dreams, you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil’s sick of sin,
If you could hear, at ever jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs-
Bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues-
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.
― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 21:35 (twenty-one years ago)
the statistics of that war are astonishing--the number of young men killed, the resulting decrease in birth rates following the war....
― amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 21:36 (twenty-one years ago)
― amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 21:37 (twenty-one years ago)
― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 21:38 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 21:40 (twenty-one years ago)
Our captain cried, All hands and away tomorrowLeaving these girls behind in grief and sorrow.What makes you go abroad, fighting for strangersWhen you could stay at home, free from all dangers?You courted me a while just to deceive meNow my heart you have gained, and you mean to leave meThere's no trusting men, not my own brotherSo girls if you can love, love one another
You courted me a while just to deceive meNow my heart you have gained, and you mean to leave meThere's no trusting men, not my own brotherSo girls if you can love, love one another
The concept (fairly loose) of the song cycle is a vision of an edenic "old england" which WWI destroyed forever. The cycle was recorded and comprises the first side of an album also called Anthems in Eden.
― amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 21:48 (twenty-one years ago)
― de, Wednesday, 4 August 2004 21:50 (twenty-one years ago)
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ah yes the war requiem... sigh.
― amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 21:50 (twenty-one years ago)
― Which Describes How You're Feeling All the Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 21:52 (twenty-one years ago)
― amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 21:52 (twenty-one years ago)
― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 21:54 (twenty-one years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 21:56 (twenty-one years ago)
― amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 21:56 (twenty-one years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 21:57 (twenty-one years ago)
I have a head for dates and this day (and admittedly, some stuff at work) just had me down today.
Don't know Barker, sorry.
― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 22:04 (twenty-one years ago)
― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 22:13 (twenty-one years ago)
― Which Describes How You're Feeling All the Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 22:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 22:27 (twenty-one years ago)
― mookieproof (mookieproof), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 22:31 (twenty-one years ago)
in case i didn't express myself well enough, i meant my thanks in earnest, i was glad to be reminded of this anniversary and reading the edward grey quote gave me the chills. and made me think and all that.
― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 5 August 2004 15:32 (twenty-one years ago)
― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 5 August 2004 17:29 (twenty-one years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 5 August 2004 17:39 (twenty-one years ago)
MCMXIV
Those long uneven linesStanding as patientlyAs if they were stretched outsideThe Oval or Villa Park,The crowns of hats, the sunOn moustached archaic facesGrinning as if it were allAn August Bank Holiday lark;And the shut shops, the bleachedEstablished names on the sunblinds,The farthings and sovereigns,And dark-clothed children at playCalled after kings and queens,The tin advertisementsFor cocoa and twist, and the pubsWide open all day;And the countryside not caringThe place-names all hazed overWith flowering grasses, and fieldsShadowing Domesday linesUnder wheats' restless silence;The differently-dressed servantsWith tiny rooms in huge houses,The dust behind limousines;Never such innocence,Never before or since,As changed itself to pastWithout a word--the menLeaving the gardens tidy,The thousands of marriagesLasting a little while longer:Never such innocence again.
-- Philip Larkin
― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 04:35 (twenty-one years ago)