UK sandwich vs American snadwich FITE!

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Is there a difference? What are they?

― dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 9 August 2004 13:53 (twenty-one years ago)

COTTON CASINO ROYALE WITH CHEESE

― Red Panda Sanskrit (ex machina), Monday, 9 August 2004 13:55 (twenty-one years ago)

snadwich?

― Elle a chaud au cul (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 9 August 2004 13:55 (twenty-one years ago)

They don't eat their bollocks in the UK?

― Penelope_111 (Penelope_111), Monday, 9 August 2004 13:56 (twenty-one years ago)

"snadwich"

no, i ask because i was discussing sandwiches with an american and they figured from what i was describing that yankee sammiches are different to brit ones. what gives?

― dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 9 August 2004 13:56 (twenty-one years ago)

what are the differences? i've had sandwiches in both places and they seem to be pretty much the same concept.

― Anthony (Plato Guy), Monday, 9 August 2004 13:56 (twenty-one years ago)

they're bigger, in america.

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 9 August 2004 13:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Americans call burgers sandwiches sometimes.

― Wooden (Wooden), Monday, 9 August 2004 13:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Americans don't use mayonaise or salad cream. This makes their sandwiches inferior. (Except for the ones with Miracle Whip therein. Those are a miracle, indeed!)

― Super-Masonic Black Hole (kate), Monday, 9 August 2004 13:58 (twenty-one years ago)

what were you describing? there's some difference wrt to condiments/toppings (coleslaw, ack) but a sandwich is a sandwich, pretty much.

xpost - not often. and anyway, a burger is meat and toppings on bread which = sandwich.

― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 9 August 2004 13:58 (twenty-one years ago)

all the fast food burgers are called "sandwiches" but i think this has something to do with the FDA and the legal definition of different types of food.

― Anthony (Plato Guy), Monday, 9 August 2004 13:58 (twenty-one years ago)

why not?

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― RJG (RJG), Monday, 9 August 2004 13:59 (twenty-one years ago)

not to be pedantic, but how is a burger not a sandwich? and kate, i practically have to vault over the counter to get deli guys to hold the mayo on my orders. i think americans use mayo just as much, although obv not salad cream (miracle whip is kind of simliar, though).

― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Dude the difference is that American bread is foul and vile sweet GOO compared to the lovely carbo-goodness of good old honest British bread innit. Of course sandwiches wd be different if the bread is different!

A baguette of course is a different matter but a baguette != a sandwich.

Also a burger is not a sandwich because ONLY BURGERS CONTAIN BURGERS!! Sandwiches can contain any filling! Madness! MADNESS!

And mayo is foul too.

― Sarah reads the patriot act, Monday, 9 August 2004 14:02 (twenty-one years ago)

i think you've got it wrong. all burgers are sandwiches but not all sandwiches are burgers.

― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:04 (twenty-one years ago)

"American bread?"

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:04 (twenty-one years ago)

SANDWICHES indeed!

A McChicken Sandwich is exploiting a strange loophole in the world of sandwich though, I'm not sure if I'm pro or not. Is it McDs? It might be Burger King, I don't really care though.

American bread dude! Your "wonderbreads" and the like! Hideous!

― Sarah is hungry now, Monday, 9 August 2004 14:04 (twenty-one years ago)

you know, it has ketchup and nacho cheese in it?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:05 (twenty-one years ago)

xxxpost

Mayo is one of the greatest substances ever to have existed.

― Wooden (Wooden), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:05 (twenty-one years ago)

mm, American plain white bread is a bit nasty. I like a burger sandwich occasionally, a beefburger between two slices of mighty white with whatever is spreadable from the fridge, poke fingers through bread and burn on burger = nummy

― Porkpie (porkpie), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:06 (twenty-one years ago)

In fact perhaps I think all non-UK bread is foul, I vaguely remember not liking french loaves of bread but I was young then. So young. My parents made me order their drinks for them at the bar you know!!! I shouldn't have been allowed!! Although god knows WHAT they gave them through my mumbles of "chooo dah blo-range please sorry I mean si voo play".

― Le Sarah, Monday, 9 August 2004 14:06 (twenty-one years ago)

you know, it has ketchup and nacho cheese in it?

that sounds like a marks & spencer mexican chicken wrap.

― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:07 (twenty-one years ago)

American bread dude! Your "wonderbreads" and the like! Hideous!

I don't know anybody who eats Wonder Bread. There are all sorts of breads available here in America aside from white bread. I personally love a good rye, but baguettes are good too.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:07 (twenty-one years ago)

lauren is right about burgers and sarah is right about american bread, in a way. white bread, in america, is kinda more sweet.

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:10 (twenty-one years ago)

talking average loaves.

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Dude the difference is that American bread is foul and vile sweet GOO compared to the lovely carbo-goodness of good old honest British bread innit.

Um, maybe if it's fast food, but surely this doesn't apply to, you know, REAL bread?

Anyway, America has super-sandwiches like Philly cheesesteaks and shrimp po' boys, so surely we win.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm hungry now too. Has anyone heard of the "Sloppy Joe". Not the manwich version. This sandwich is a north New Jersey, USA regional delicacy containing 3 slices of rye bread, choice of meat (turkey, ham, roast beef), cole slaw and russian dressing. It sounds deceivingly simple, yet it is the best thing on earth.

By the way, I am confused by this concept of "UK sandwich"? Really, what is it like?

― mcd (mcd), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:12 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah man shrimp po boys, when done right, are like the best sammiches ever. Muffelatas are awesome, too. Can't wait to get to New Orleans later this month.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:13 (twenty-one years ago)

THAT IS NOT A SLOPPY JOE U FULE xpost

― Red Panda Sanskrit (ex machina), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:13 (twenty-one years ago)

http://mirrors.meepzorp.com/harrisonburg.k12.va.us/lunch/index_files/sloppy-joe.jpg

― Red Panda Sanskrit (ex machina), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Turkey on wheat, with tomato, onion, sprouts, Italian dressing, and lots of mayo. That's the sandwich I want right now. Is it British or American?

― Harold Media (kenan), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:14 (twenty-one years ago)

http://theimaginaryworld.com/kids171.jpg

― Red Panda Sanskrit (ex machina), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:14 (twenty-one years ago)

You're fucking up my whole steez Williams.

― mcd (mcd), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I have no idea what UK sammiches are like, having never been there. I do know that America has so many different kinds, and so many regional variations, that to generalize makes one look pretty silly.

Anybody here like the hot brown?

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Hamburgers are not sandwiches because they are on HAMBURGER BUNS.

Shrimp po' boys, catfish po' boys, oyster po' boys, half cheeseburger/half hot sausage po' boys from Gene's, muffelatas...kindly eat one of each of these for me on your trip, Stence.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:18 (twenty-one years ago)

po'boys are on hero/sub rolls, so they don't count either then.

― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:19 (twenty-one years ago)

the only sandwich i had in New York was this pastrami thing which was ok but the bread was too weak to contend with the ridiculous amount of stewed meat they stuffed between the slices - still damn tasty tho - no room for salad, cheese or whatever tho - error

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Hamburgers are not sandwiches because they are on HAMBURGER BUNS.

this makes no sense at all.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:19 (twenty-one years ago)

po'boys are on hero/sub rolls, so they don't count either then.

They can and often should be on french bread!

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Do bagels count? there's this amazing place near brick lane where they give you about TWO INCHES of salt beef in a bagel for £1.20. Seriously, there's more beef than there is bagel. Mmmmmm.

― Wooden (Wooden), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:21 (twenty-one years ago)

"salt beef?"

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, sure they're still 'stuff between two pieces of bread', but I don't use hamburger buns for anything other than hamburgers, ya know? Or have burgers between 'normal' bread.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:23 (twenty-one years ago)

how is a baguette sandwich material if a bun isn't?

― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:23 (twenty-one years ago)

have the Brits equating Wonder Bread with "American bread" ever eaten bread from a real non-mass-production American bakery? There are half a dozen great ones in NYC alone.

the meat is the point

no room for salad, cheese or whatever tho - error

American cuisine - too simple for the Europeans. Why not throw on cranberry relish, guacamole, chickpeas and sprouts?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay, technically I am not OTM, but I still think of burgers as their own sandwich subgenre.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, sure they're still 'stuff between two pieces of bread', but I don't use hamburger buns for anything other than hamburgers, ya know? Or have burgers between 'normal' bread.

last week I had a veggie burger on rye, it was awesome.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:24 (twenty-one years ago)

the bread was too weak to contend with the ridiculous amount of stewed meat they stuffed between the slices

This is what's known as a "deli" sandwich. Whole other breed of sandwich, man. You can't HANDle the pastrami!!!

― Harold Media (kenan), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:25 (twenty-one years ago)

have the Brits equating Wonder Bread with "American bread" ever eaten bread from a real non-mass-production American bakery? There are half a dozen great ones in NYC alone.

Yeah. I live out in the middle of nowhere and there are many great bakeries around! I don't think I have had any sandwiches w/Wonder Bread in at least 10 years.

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I have burgers with bread when I have no burber buns/baps/rolls/cakes (in Yorkshire, like, a bap is called a "bread-cake", aye, innit, like, la, aye).

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Tomcat Bakery in NYC, where I used to work... OMIGOD, I don't even like bread, but their rye was a revelation!

― Super-Masonic Black Hole (kate), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:27 (twenty-one years ago)

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REAL cheesesteaks pale in comparison to REAL Italian beef sandwiches.

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 20:06 (twenty-one years ago)

sure, but do they have real tacos? which one is more likely to get there first?

Perhaps it depends on whether or not there is much of a Mexican community in Helsinki.

Though my reaction was perhaps more triggered by the articles bland cheerleading of the "Americanization" of non-American cuisines as being part of some kind of wonderful quintessentially American process, whereas in reality it usually means a systematic dilution of everything that made the cuisine unique, interesting, and good-tasting in the first place.

― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 20:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I haven't been in Philly since I was a little kid, and I'm not sure that I've ever had a REAL Philly cheesesteak. Can someone mail me one? We can start an ILX snadwich trading circle!

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 20:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not sure that it was cheerleading. Also, the process seems to have a record of introducing the cuisine to people who later discover the authentic stuff.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 20:15 (twenty-one years ago)

"Cheerleading" seems an apt description of passages like this:

"Equally part of our earliest traditions is the characteristic of assimilation and adaptation of the ethnic foods from the many countries our immigrants came from – a creative reformulation into new foods that suit the palate of all Americans, regardless of their origins. These new creations are tested in the "laboratory" of the mixed American cultural arena. As a result, they have almost universal appeal."

― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 20:22 (twenty-one years ago)

You can ban burritos when you pry them from my cold, dead fingers!

But seriously o.nate, in some places, like here in S.F., there's realtively authentic foreign (I studiously eschew the use of 'ethnic') food, assimilated foreign food, haute cuisine versions, and fusion versions. Surely the more choice, the better and how authentic can foreign food be when it isn't eaten in the same ecological, cultural, and social environment?

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 20:28 (twenty-one years ago)

This thread is reminding me that I really don't each sandwiches all that much for lunch anymore (this will change when Lee's Sandwiches opens across the way).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 20:30 (twenty-one years ago)

100) Vietnamese sandwiches

― sexyDancer, Tuesday, 10 August 2004 20:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Precisely!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 20:34 (twenty-one years ago)

For me it's not really a question of being authentic or the sake of being authentic. I just think that when you take a traditional cuisine that has evolved over centuries, with methods of preparation and subtleties of flavor that have been passed down through the generations, and you arbitrarily start simplifying it, making it mass-producible, removing anything spicy that might offend conservative palates, entrusting the preparation to people who didn't grow up eating it, etc. - you are not going to end up with something that's very good to eat.

xpost

― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 20:35 (twenty-one years ago)

You have to stress "extra spicy" when dealing with the 1,000,000 new thai restaurants that have opened up in the past years, then.

― sexyDancer, Tuesday, 10 August 2004 20:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Taco bell is fuckin' awesome. When I was livin' in West Philly we used to drive all across town to make sure we got the 7 layer (all veggie) burrito!

― H (Heruy), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 20:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Dude, I don't know what they put in that "guacamole" layer, but is sure as heck aint' guacamole.

― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 20:51 (twenty-one years ago)

yawn... and a open face sandwich isn't a sandwich. Fuck off and let a man eat his lunch I say.

― sexyDancer, Tuesday, 10 August 2004 20:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry to have the impertinence to criticize any food that someone else might enjoy! I must be on the wrong thread.

― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 21:01 (twenty-one years ago)

An open face sandwich is an open face sandwich. That's why it's called an open face sandwich, as opposed to a sandwich. Nyarp nyarp...

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 21:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Pineapple sandwiches -- plenty of mayo -- good eatin’!

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 21:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Ok I am now in favour of capital punishment

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

two words: shit sandwich

― sexyDancer, Tuesday, 10 August 2004 21:23 (twenty-one years ago)

yes they sure are two words

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 21:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I seemed to eat far more sandwiches in the UK so maybe UK sandwiches win. Or I'm just dumb - that, too.

― Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 21:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm about to make my usual, a tuna n' havarti grilled sandwich. How can I make it more interesting?

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 21:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Wear a funny hat while you make it!

― Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 21:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Are tomato sandwiches just a southern US thing, or do they occur elsewhere also? (Also with plenty of mayo, and if I have to go to the electric chair, let it be in July so I can have a good tomato sandwich as my last meal.)

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 21:35 (twenty-one years ago)

That would make me more interesting, not the sandwich.

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 21:36 (twenty-one years ago)

In the same way that a painting by a madman becomes more interesting when you know that it was painted by a madman, perhaps a sandwich made by someone in a funny hat likewise acquires a certain aura of mystery?

― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 21:39 (twenty-one years ago)

When all I got is tomatoes and bread, and I'm hungry, I'll have a tomato sandwich. But never with mayo.

― nickn (nickn), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 21:41 (twenty-one years ago)

but *I'm* the one who will be eating the sandwich! Surely the painting done by a madman is not very interesting to the madman himself. "Oh there's some turkeys who have been castrated and turned into homoerotic conquistadors, roaming around the Bolivian countryside while trying to foil the world domination plans of their evil mentor, Lord Zed. Y'know, everyday stuff, really."

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 21:46 (twenty-one years ago)

oh yeh - thanks hstencil - your recipe ruled.

― dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 21:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah, but you see, the madman doesn't know he is mad, whereas you will know that you are wearing a funny hat!

xpost

― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

but I also know that I'm not really the type who wears funny hats and it's all a sham perpetrated in an attempt to make my sandwich more intersting.

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 22:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I made a grilled peanut butter and jelly sandwich tonight, and it's all this thread's fucking fault.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 00:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I would just like to say that I love each and every one of the sandwich lovers on this thread, no matter where you are from. U.K., U.S., Butter or Mustard. Bacon, lettuce, or tomato. You all shine brightly in the condiment firmament.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 00:51 (twenty-one years ago)

oooh, BLTs!!

― H (Heruy), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 00:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Bacon, fried egg, cheddar cheese and a roasted green chile on whole wheat. Bottom side grilled, top side toasted. WITH MAYO MAYO MAYO. MAYYYYYOOOOO NAAAISE!!
Actually, I only allow myself this once every couple of years now.

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 02:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I find no mention of pimiento cheese sandwiches on this thread, and that oversight needs to be corrected. Recipe here.

― spittle (spittle), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 06:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, I love barbecued tofu and/or barbecued tempeh sandwiches, with a layer of coleslaw. And spare me the "it's not real barbecue" bitching, I know that. Vegetarians can like barbecue sauce too.

― spittle (spittle), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 06:20 (twenty-one years ago)

eight years pass...

i still read "sandwich" as "snadwich" cos of this thread.

― Yes please, I'll have a pint, and another one for this asshole here (dog latin), Friday, 17 August 2012 10:34 (thirteen years ago)

Good job this predated polls because no right-thinking person would vote for Britain here.

― Matt DC, Friday, 17 August 2012 10:59 (thirteen years ago)

hooray for america's nadwich

― mod night at the oasis (NickB), Friday, 17 August 2012 12:10 (thirteen years ago)

Obv a brit snadwich would be best for a brit, being bespoke, as it were. Whereas an american snadwich would be best for a yank, culturewise.

― Aimless, Friday, 17 August 2012 15:46 (thirteen years ago)

The only sandwich that is better in the UK is the club sandwich, ordered in a pub.

Also in the UK they use that spicy sinus-clearing mustard, which is good.

Besides that, USA USA USA

― thirdalternative, Friday, 17 August 2012 15:53 (thirteen years ago)

we are the world

― contenderizer, Friday, 17 August 2012 15:55 (thirteen years ago)

http://dagwood.img.jugem.jp/20091007_3009082.jpg

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 17 August 2012 15:58 (thirteen years ago)

surely that lobster hasn't always been in the mix

― j., Friday, 17 August 2012 16:03 (thirteen years ago)

Oh yeah English mustard > American mustard but it's not enough to bridge the gap.

(French mustard > both but that's neither here nor there)

― Matt DC, Friday, 17 August 2012 16:04 (thirteen years ago)

have lately experienced a surge of affection for american-style "yellow mustard". it's damn good on a hot dog, for instance. to each mustard its sandwich.

― contenderizer, Friday, 17 August 2012 16:13 (thirteen years ago)

dagwood:

toothpick
olive
bread
luncheon meat
hot dogs
fried egg
whole fish
spaghetti
swiss cheese
peas
carrots
luncheon meat
swiss cheese
onions
whole lobster
swiss cheese
luncheon meat
eggroll
bread

― contenderizer, Friday, 17 August 2012 16:19 (thirteen years ago)

quality post (not being facetious)

― j., Friday, 17 August 2012 16:21 (thirteen years ago)

eleven years pass...

Snadwich

― ...eh you get the gist of it (dog latin), Saturday, 23 September 2023 23:11 (two years ago)

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