Chanel - she is definitely indie-hot. The sort of girl I would definitely have a crush on if circumstances were different, and although I thought trying to recreate "Glory Box" with John Forman's band and a two-minute time limit was a bit of a stretch (gen. rule of thumb for Idol: don't choose songs with too many idiosyncratic moments because when its condensed down you'll be left without an identifiable tune), she's just so effortlessly stylish and seductive she can probably win me over with anything. I hope that she doesn't spend her entire time in the competition being an alterna-black sheep who's sniffy about pop though (see her anti-Celine Dion comments, plus her Kelly Cavruoso-style pessimism about getting through). One of the problems with material like "Glory Box" is that the original is so stylised that Chanel ended up underperforming it by default, whereas she could be amazing if she took a pop song and added her own touch to it for maximum exotic sexual allure. Therefore I suggest that she tackle: Kylie Minogue - Confide In Me
Ngaiire - Although she didn't get through I reckon she's a total lock-in for the Wildcard selection. Love love love her voice - she's got that same verge-of-nuclear-meltdown quality that Fantasia had, although here it's channeled through more of a Mary J Blige painful-soul largesse than Fantasia's catalogue of squeals and grunts. I think that she's found a great schtick with this whole social unrest/existentialist dilemma feel that she establishes with her songs (this week's song was Mary's "No More Drama"). I actally think that she should stick to this for as long as she can while getting away with it. However, somewhat like with Chanel and "Glory Box" she's favoured histrionic material and I'd like to see her take a slightly more restrained song and reveal it as the overblown epic it always had the potential to be. Therefore I suggest that she tackle: Neneh Cherry - Everything
Courtney - I knew Courtney would get through: he's got a pub rock voice which manages to be, like, actually really nice-sounding, and he sounds so earnest and personally-connected to what he's singing that it's hard not to warm to him. That slight rasp is the key, but he's clever enough to keep it ever-so-subtle. Image is a problem, bu it may actually propel him along with a lot of voters evidently keen to look past the more conventional pop star appearance. I must admit to not having a huge array of music with Bryan Adams-style vocals to hand, but I'd like to see Courtney do something really big and emotional, either in terms of having a huge, let-loose chorus, or some sort of majestic, end of a two hour romance film closer. Therefore I suggest he tackle EITHER Fleetwood Mac's "Big Love" OR The Blue Nile's "Saturday Night".
Hayley - I felt vindicated by Hayley choosing to sing Sarah McLachlan's "Angel". It's never been a favourite song of mine but last yar I actually nominated it to my boyfriend as the song I would consider performing if I was a female contestant on the show - it's got all the qualities that a "quiet" ballad needs to win over the audience. Dicko said it was a "tremendous song-choice"! Hayley is really growing on me, which is partly related to her wearing less and less make-up with each passing week. Which is wise: her voice sounds very natural and mother-earthish, especially with that almost imperceptible country lilt which really *sealed* her performance on Sunday. There's an intensity and thoughtfulness to her phrasing, too, which works excellently with this more restrained (or boring, if you prefer) material. Haven't thought of what song that will be yet - will post later with an update!
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 06:09 (twenty-one years ago)
I like Hayley, but "Angel" is such a mawkish piece of drivel. Then again the only Sarah McL song I like is "Building A Mystery" and that's not going to wow anyone.
Question: Why was "Glory Box" obscure and Courtney's choice - not out as a single yet, right? - not? That said, until this week, I'd never believed that contestants got to choose their own song. I'd always assumed there was some kind of long list they could pick off, which explains why there wasn't that much variety in selection.
― edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 06:12 (twenty-one years ago)
― the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 06:13 (twenty-one years ago)
― Nellie (nellskies), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 06:20 (twenty-one years ago)
"Confide In Me is 6 minutes long! How would she do THAT?"
Easy - there's heaps of bits in "Confide In Me" that can be cut out without destablising the structure of the song as much as she had to with "Glory Box" (in that case the whole "so don't you stop being a man" arrived far too soon for it to have the pay-off it has in the original). Ha ha I think "Saturday Night" is seven minutes! Song length is the only flaw in my pop svengali plans!
"Angel" is mawkish but that's not necessarily a problem for Idol. It's got lots of bits where you can show off well-thought out phrasing and improvisation, and its reverent tone suggests "deepness". Edward get Fumbling Towards Ecstasy! It's very good!
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 06:20 (twenty-one years ago)
― edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 06:29 (twenty-one years ago)
― edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 06:36 (twenty-one years ago)
― purple patch (electricsound), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 07:05 (twenty-one years ago)
― gem (trisk), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 07:11 (twenty-one years ago)
― purple patch (electricsound), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 07:12 (twenty-one years ago)
― edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 07:12 (twenty-one years ago)
My boyfriend reckons Ngaiire should sing Tracy Chapman's "Fast Car", which I agree would work really well.
"Disagree about Confide In Me still - the long build up with the THREE intros - you can't get rid of them! It just doesn't have the same effect without..."
Yeah maybe, I'll have to listen to the original again.
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 22:10 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 22:13 (twenty-one years ago)
"Slamming Chanel for being a summation of every uni boy's fantasies/guilts about crass commercialism misses the fact that the subversive process works both ways - I'm almost less interested in what Chanel does to Australian Idol than I am in what Australian Idol will do to her. The friction between her fear of compromising herself musically and the necessity of speaking to a wide audience is exciting precisely because, if she is to stay in the competition, both categories will have to stretch. I imagine she's currently thinking very carefully about what *sort* of songs synthesise the competing categories in a compelling manner. The need to work this out requires a much more sophisticated understanding of what it means to be pop or not pop than that displayed in the excruciating performance of Daniel on Sunday night, for whom there is evidently no awareness of a distinction or complex relationship between the performer and the material they sing.
I think at the moment Chanel's attraction is that she is an unknown quantity - there's a real sense of expectation in terms of "what will she sing next?" which there's not for, say, Hayley or Ngaiire or Courtney (all of whom I think are excellent) because, bar some sideways nods to jazz, she is so far a performer who has no performative "center". This is how her anti-popness is distinct from the generally-boring Kelly of last year, for whom being anti-pop was synonymous with being safe pop-rock. It's also how she's distinct from Billie (up next week) who seems to have largely nailed her colours to the jazz mast. There *is* something fake, almost adolescent about Chanel singing "Glory Box" - but it's a fakeness that can potentially provide an interesting alternative "authenticity" that Idol traditionally promotes.
I don't know if this enigmatic quality can continue indefinitely, although it might if she makes clever (as opposed to "tasteful" or "obscure-to-Marcia") song choices. The best case scenario is that she becomes a slightly hipper equivalent of Guy Sebastian, never settling into a certain formula but reformulating herself each time. And there's a lot that could be thought and written about what that sort of formulation actually entails, or how it works - last year Paulini had a wide range of song choices and the only perfect performance track record but never broke out of the "soul/r&b" persona as dramatically or successfully as Guy did."
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 00:37 (twenty-one years ago)
― purple patch (electricsound), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 00:46 (twenty-one years ago)
It's a shame that the girl groups sung "Anyone Who Had A Heart" during the elimination sessions - I'd love to see Chanel tackle it.
BTW that should have been "an interesting alternative *to the* "authenticity" that etc. etc." up there
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 00:57 (twenty-one years ago)
Please, please, let the aberration that let that pillock Daniel through be corrected QUICKLY in the finals. It's a shame group 2 was so weak. Ngaiire would have qualified if she'd been in there rather than in 1.
― edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 01:06 (twenty-one years ago)
― purple patch (electricsound), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 01:34 (twenty-one years ago)
― purple patch (electricsound), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 01:35 (twenty-one years ago)
This is the lack of critical distance I refer to upthread: Daniel assumes that "pop" is a quality that inheres within a song itself, rather than in its performance (or a mixture of both if you prefer). In order to "go pop" or to "live it up", it's not enough for a classical performer to simply make a hamfisted cover of the least-serious song they can think of, as if the song's inherent pop qualities will magically neutralise the stiffness of the performer. There's always a relational link between the performer and the song, which, if stretched too far, will snap with a hideous twang.
I disliked his previous performance of "Pony" too, which introduced a distasteful element of boorish sexual coercion into a great song - all I could think of was football player gangbangs when he sung it. The man has no subtlety whatsoever.
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 01:45 (twenty-one years ago)
When someone like Daniel sings it, there's no pride, no LOOK AT WHAT I AM DOING AREN'T I ARCH AND CLEVER in it, it's like "Look at me! I'm slumming in popland!" and as such it comes horribly unstuck.
There was a Chanel Cole fansite, but it seems to have exceeded its bandwidth. Perhaps as an extension of my not-really-a-campaign-campaign I should expand.
― edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 01:49 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dirty Muriel (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 01:51 (twenty-one years ago)
― edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 02:06 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dirty Muriel (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 02:10 (twenty-one years ago)
"My style is pop. POP!". Brilliant! Shame the performance was crap. Crap! though. Thank goodness he won't be back or the embarassing identification would be far too much to bear.
― edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 02:15 (twenty-one years ago)
Ben should have sung Daniel Bedingfield's "James Dean". THAT would have been magnificent!
Any consensus on whether Ben and Chanel were/are an item? They certainly appeared so.
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 04:46 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 04:48 (twenty-one years ago)
So is Daniel the operatically-trained one?
― Dirty Muriel (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 04:49 (twenty-one years ago)
Ben/Chanel, I doubt. Ben would (again, like me) be quite accustomed to hearing "Oh, I really love you as a friend" from the ladies.
― edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 04:49 (twenty-one years ago)
― purple patch (electricsound), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 04:50 (twenty-one years ago)
God. Sorry. I can shut up if it makes your lives any easier.
― Dirty Muriel (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 04:50 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 04:52 (twenty-one years ago)
― edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 04:53 (twenty-one years ago)
He did Freedom? I need to get out more.
― Dirty Muriel (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 04:55 (twenty-one years ago)
I don't know, I think metrosexuality carries a lot of currency in certain circles these days - although yeah it's not the universal pull-magnet some would have us believe. At first I thought Ben might actually be gay but it now seems highly unlikely, which might be unfortunate for him!
Really there's nothing that Daniel could do that wouldn't be mildly offensive. He's like a bull in a china shop. I also hate the way his mouth vibrates when he sings. AND his new look is much worse than his original appearance.
I can't believe we haven't mentioned ADRIAN'S USHER IMPERSONATION yet!
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 04:56 (twenty-one years ago)
― edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 04:57 (twenty-one years ago)
― edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 05:00 (twenty-one years ago)
"Repression, Tim. That's why I haven't mentioned it."
Yes but but but I am mystified by the judge's love for it! I mean, sure, exceedingly brave choice, but did they hear the bit where he literally forgot his lines and wandered off into mumbling?
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 05:06 (twenty-one years ago)
I don't think it was a brave choice, really. I'm utterly convinced that a lot of tight contests are decided by the song and picking a popular one can really work. I think probably the reason that Levi got dropped out last year is that the song he picked in the week he went out would be a dim memory for a lot of his potential voters that weren't decided, compare Cosima who did a lot of base-covering.
― edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 05:09 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 05:43 (twenty-one years ago)
― edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 05:44 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 05:51 (twenty-one years ago)
― edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 05:54 (twenty-one years ago)
Paula was always better than Marcia but I got sick of watching her sit there all plastered up and emoting, "I was honoured and touched by your performance etc. etc." On the other hand at least she doesn't try to actively sabotage the singers' performances with contradictory me-power mumbo jumbo like Marcia. Her compliments to Laurence last week being the most breathtaking example of her stupidity perhaps.
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 05:57 (twenty-one years ago)
― edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 06:07 (twenty-one years ago)
(are you still in brisbane edward?)
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 06:08 (twenty-one years ago)
(I'm not, but I'm flying up there tomorrow for a bit)
― edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 06:10 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 06:14 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 06:15 (twenty-one years ago)
She did "Walk On By"! And it was amazing! And DICKO SLAGGED HER?! grrr.
― Hayden (Pow, Pow, Pow) (haitch), Monday, 20 September 2004 02:35 (twenty-one years ago)
― the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Monday, 20 September 2004 03:05 (twenty-one years ago)
― Hayden (Pow, Pow, Pow) (haitch), Monday, 20 September 2004 03:31 (twenty-one years ago)
― C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Monday, 20 September 2004 09:39 (twenty-one years ago)
― Michael Stuchbery (Mikey Bidness), Monday, 20 September 2004 10:05 (twenty-one years ago)
― Michael Stuchbery (Mikey Bidness), Monday, 20 September 2004 10:06 (twenty-one years ago)
― edward o (edwardo), Monday, 20 September 2004 12:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― edward o (edwardo), Monday, 20 September 2004 12:16 (twenty-one years ago)
― C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Sunday, 24 October 2004 08:37 (twenty-one years ago)
― C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Sunday, 24 October 2004 08:40 (twenty-one years ago)
― C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Sunday, 24 October 2004 08:43 (twenty-one years ago)
― C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Sunday, 24 October 2004 08:49 (twenty-one years ago)
― C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Sunday, 24 October 2004 08:51 (twenty-one years ago)
I thought Chanel was not very good, actually, and I love her.
― edward o (edwardo), Sunday, 24 October 2004 08:55 (twenty-one years ago)
― Haaaaaitch (haitch), Sunday, 24 October 2004 09:03 (twenty-one years ago)
I preferred Train Wreck Casey to Dull Boring Understated Casey. Also, memo to Rolling Stone woman, the word "mischievous" is said "mis-che-vus" not "mischeeveeous" - grr, a pet peev of mine, that.
― edward o (edwardo), Sunday, 24 October 2004 09:04 (twenty-one years ago)
Who are the morons going to throw their votes behind NOW?
― edward o (edwardo), Sunday, 24 October 2004 09:08 (twenty-one years ago)
It's all been going wrong since the Beatles show, goddamnit!!
― Haaaaaitch (haitch), Sunday, 24 October 2004 09:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― edward o (edwardo), Sunday, 24 October 2004 09:17 (twenty-one years ago)
actually i haven't watched this in weeks. i might try and catch up with the elimination show tonight...
― the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Sunday, 24 October 2004 22:44 (twenty-one years ago)
― the music mole (colin s barrow), Sunday, 24 October 2004 22:48 (twenty-one years ago)
― the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Sunday, 24 October 2004 23:00 (twenty-one years ago)
― gem (trisk), Sunday, 24 October 2004 23:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― Haaaaaitch (haitch), Sunday, 24 October 2004 23:49 (twenty-one years ago)
― gem (trisk), Monday, 25 October 2004 02:09 (twenty-one years ago)
― haitch haitch haitch (or any three repetitive sounds) (haitch), Sunday, 21 November 2004 11:24 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 21 November 2004 11:33 (twenty-one years ago)
― papa november (papa november), Sunday, 21 November 2004 11:41 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 21 November 2004 11:43 (twenty-one years ago)
― Michael Stuchbery (Mikey Bidness), Sunday, 21 November 2004 12:18 (twenty-one years ago)
― Nellie (nellskies), Sunday, 21 November 2004 12:24 (twenty-one years ago)
― Michael Stuchbery (Mikey Bidness), Sunday, 21 November 2004 12:27 (twenty-one years ago)
― papa november (papa november), Sunday, 21 November 2004 12:31 (twenty-one years ago)
― Michael Stuchbery (Mikey Bidness), Sunday, 21 November 2004 12:32 (twenty-one years ago)
― Nellie (nellskies), Sunday, 21 November 2004 13:48 (twenty-one years ago)
From where do you draw these assumptions?
― papa november (papa november), Sunday, 21 November 2004 14:12 (twenty-one years ago)
Exactly the kind of person who should be winning this show. Come on, think about it guys, who is this show AIMED AT?
I'm glad she won. Shes female, shes koori and shes a big lass, and she won! This is brill.
― Trayce (trayce), Sunday, 21 November 2004 21:30 (twenty-one years ago)
I'm hoping that Anthony not winning will be the impetus for him to fly to the US and record with Mutt Lange. I'm not confident, sadly.
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 21 November 2004 22:45 (twenty-one years ago)
Forgive me, I'm shitstirring, kinda. I'm sick and I only had two hours of sleep last night.
― Michael Stuchbery (Mikey Bidness), Sunday, 21 November 2004 23:26 (twenty-one years ago)
Apparently some pollie said the final was of "national interest" (or importance?)... my god. They should make the entire world go without TV and media for a week, people need a kick in the pants, I mean honestly.
― Trayce (trayce), Sunday, 21 November 2004 23:43 (twenty-one years ago)
― papa november (papa november), Sunday, 21 November 2004 23:57 (twenty-one years ago)
― Trayce (trayce), Monday, 22 November 2004 00:01 (twenty-one years ago)
He made a vaguely similar argument for Guy last year.
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 22 November 2004 00:04 (twenty-one years ago)
― papa november (papa november), Monday, 22 November 2004 00:07 (twenty-one years ago)
― Trayce (trayce), Monday, 22 November 2004 00:13 (twenty-one years ago)
― Michael Stuchbery (Mikey Bidness), Monday, 22 November 2004 00:30 (twenty-one years ago)
― papa november (papa november), Monday, 22 November 2004 00:31 (twenty-one years ago)
GOD THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE/THINGS/OBJECTS THAT NEED A SOLID BOOT UP THE JACKSIE AT THE MOMENT!
― Michael Stuchbery (Mikey Bidness), Monday, 22 November 2004 00:34 (twenty-one years ago)
A definition of pop that can encompass Evanascence can encompass Casey surely.
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 22 November 2004 01:09 (twenty-one years ago)