Australian Idol Season Two

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There was some discussion about this on a sheepmongers thread but it was swamped by sheepmongers inanity so I thought i'd make a dedicated thread. Anyway, Australian Idol is *great* this year - bizarrely, the general standard is *much* higher than American Idol, despite our much small population! WTF? Anyway:

Chanel - she is definitely indie-hot. The sort of girl I would definitely have a crush on if circumstances were different, and although I thought trying to recreate "Glory Box" with John Forman's band and a two-minute time limit was a bit of a stretch (gen. rule of thumb for Idol: don't choose songs with too many idiosyncratic moments because when its condensed down you'll be left without an identifiable tune), she's just so effortlessly stylish and seductive she can probably win me over with anything. I hope that she doesn't spend her entire time in the competition being an alterna-black sheep who's sniffy about pop though (see her anti-Celine Dion comments, plus her Kelly Cavruoso-style pessimism about getting through). One of the problems with material like "Glory Box" is that the original is so stylised that Chanel ended up underperforming it by default, whereas she could be amazing if she took a pop song and added her own touch to it for maximum exotic sexual allure. Therefore I suggest that she tackle: Kylie Minogue - Confide In Me

Ngaiire - Although she didn't get through I reckon she's a total lock-in for the Wildcard selection. Love love love her voice - she's got that same verge-of-nuclear-meltdown quality that Fantasia had, although here it's channeled through more of a Mary J Blige painful-soul largesse than Fantasia's catalogue of squeals and grunts. I think that she's found a great schtick with this whole social unrest/existentialist dilemma feel that she establishes with her songs (this week's song was Mary's "No More Drama"). I actally think that she should stick to this for as long as she can while getting away with it. However, somewhat like with Chanel and "Glory Box" she's favoured histrionic material and I'd like to see her take a slightly more restrained song and reveal it as the overblown epic it always had the potential to be. Therefore I suggest that she tackle: Neneh Cherry - Everything

Courtney - I knew Courtney would get through: he's got a pub rock voice which manages to be, like, actually really nice-sounding, and he sounds so earnest and personally-connected to what he's singing that it's hard not to warm to him. That slight rasp is the key, but he's clever enough to keep it ever-so-subtle. Image is a problem, bu it may actually propel him along with a lot of voters evidently keen to look past the more conventional pop star appearance. I must admit to not having a huge array of music with Bryan Adams-style vocals to hand, but I'd like to see Courtney do something really big and emotional, either in terms of having a huge, let-loose chorus, or some sort of majestic, end of a two hour romance film closer. Therefore I suggest he tackle EITHER Fleetwood Mac's "Big Love" OR The Blue Nile's "Saturday Night".

Hayley - I felt vindicated by Hayley choosing to sing Sarah McLachlan's "Angel". It's never been a favourite song of mine but last yar I actually nominated it to my boyfriend as the song I would consider performing if I was a female contestant on the show - it's got all the qualities that a "quiet" ballad needs to win over the audience. Dicko said it was a "tremendous song-choice"! Hayley is really growing on me, which is partly related to her wearing less and less make-up with each passing week. Which is wise: her voice sounds very natural and mother-earthish, especially with that almost imperceptible country lilt which really *sealed* her performance on Sunday. There's an intensity and thoughtfulness to her phrasing, too, which works excellently with this more restrained (or boring, if you prefer) material. Haven't thought of what song that will be yet - will post later with an update!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 06:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Confide In Me is 6 minutes long! How would she do THAT? The only problem with the condensed version of Glory Box is that she missed out the best bit of the song - "This is the beginning.... of FOREVER! AND EVER-er-er-er-er! It's time to move on!"

I like Hayley, but "Angel" is such a mawkish piece of drivel. Then again the only Sarah McL song I like is "Building A Mystery" and that's not going to wow anyone.

Question: Why was "Glory Box" obscure and Courtney's choice - not out as a single yet, right? - not? That said, until this week, I'd never believed that contestants got to choose their own song. I'd always assumed there was some kind of long list they could pick off, which explains why there wasn't that much variety in selection.

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 06:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Ngaire didn't get thru? I was tipping her.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 06:13 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, that sucked. I was stoked for Courtney though except all the crying and bullshit. Hayley does have a nice voice, she sounds kind of irish? but I would have preferred it if Ngaire got thru, I also tip her for wildcard.

Nellie (nellskies), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 06:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Ngaiire came fourth. She'll def get through in Wildcard week I imagine.

"Confide In Me is 6 minutes long! How would she do THAT?"

Easy - there's heaps of bits in "Confide In Me" that can be cut out without destablising the structure of the song as much as she had to with "Glory Box" (in that case the whole "so don't you stop being a man" arrived far too soon for it to have the pay-off it has in the original). Ha ha I think "Saturday Night" is seven minutes! Song length is the only flaw in my pop svengali plans!

"Angel" is mawkish but that's not necessarily a problem for Idol. It's got lots of bits where you can show off well-thought out phrasing and improvisation, and its reverent tone suggests "deepness". Edward get Fumbling Towards Ecstasy! It's very good!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 06:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Disagree about Confide In Me still - the long build up with the THREE intros - you can't get rid of them! It just doesn't have the same effect without...

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 06:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Which is why the two recent cover versions of Confide In Me - the Ben Lee one and the awful faux-goth version, were so awful. Confide In Me is a lot more dynamically fragile than expected.

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 06:36 (twenty-one years ago)

chanel chanel chanel chanel chanel chanel chanel chanel chanel chanel chanel chanel

purple patch (electricsound), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 07:05 (twenty-one years ago)

i absolutely cannot stand that show. does it make me unaustralian?

gem (trisk), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 07:11 (twenty-one years ago)

chanel chanel chanel chanel

purple patch (electricsound), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 07:12 (twenty-one years ago)

My current MSN name is "Fight Indie Guilt: Vote Chanel!"

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 07:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I voted Chanel last time because I thought she wouldn't make it but I was very ambivalent about her winning over Ngaiire. I like them both a lot.

My boyfriend reckons Ngaiire should sing Tracy Chapman's "Fast Car", which I agree would work really well.

"Disagree about Confide In Me still - the long build up with the THREE intros - you can't get rid of them! It just doesn't have the same effect without..."

Yeah maybe, I'll have to listen to the original again.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 22:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I am intrigued by this and wish to subscribe to yer collective newsletters.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 22:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Some further thoughts on Chanel replicated from the I Feel Love comments box. I'll post my thoughts on the (very depressing) second round a bit later.

"Slamming Chanel for being a summation of every uni boy's fantasies/guilts about crass commercialism misses the fact that the subversive process works both ways - I'm almost less interested in what Chanel does to Australian Idol than I am in what Australian Idol will do to her. The friction between her fear of compromising herself musically and the necessity of speaking to a wide audience is exciting precisely because, if she is to stay in the competition, both categories will have to stretch. I imagine she's currently thinking very carefully about what *sort* of songs synthesise the competing categories in a compelling manner. The need to work this out requires a much more sophisticated understanding of what it means to be pop or not pop than that displayed in the excruciating performance of Daniel on Sunday night, for whom there is evidently no awareness of a distinction or complex relationship between the performer and the material they sing.

I think at the moment Chanel's attraction is that she is an unknown quantity - there's a real sense of expectation in terms of "what will she sing next?" which there's not for, say, Hayley or Ngaiire or Courtney (all of whom I think are excellent) because, bar some sideways nods to jazz, she is so far a performer who has no performative "center". This is how her anti-popness is distinct from the generally-boring Kelly of last year, for whom being anti-pop was synonymous with being safe pop-rock. It's also how she's distinct from Billie (up next week) who seems to have largely nailed her colours to the jazz mast. There *is* something fake, almost adolescent about Chanel singing "Glory Box" - but it's a fakeness that can potentially provide an interesting alternative "authenticity" that Idol traditionally promotes.

I don't know if this enigmatic quality can continue indefinitely, although it might if she makes clever (as opposed to "tasteful" or "obscure-to-Marcia") song choices. The best case scenario is that she becomes a slightly hipper equivalent of Guy Sebastian, never settling into a certain formula but reformulating herself each time. And there's a lot that could be thought and written about what that sort of formulation actually entails, or how it works - last year Paulini had a wide range of song choices and the only perfect performance track record but never broke out of the "soul/r&b" persona as dramatically or successfully as Guy did."

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 00:37 (twenty-one years ago)

i'd like to see her do cole porter or bacharach stuff. i DON'T want to hear her do modern R&B. that would irritate the crap out of me.

purple patch (electricsound), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 00:46 (twenty-one years ago)

No I don't think she should either, both because she would suck at it and because there's too many other high caliber, more soulful voices in the competition (incidentally how *great* did Amali sound singing that Joss Stone song on Sunday night?!?!)

It's a shame that the girl groups sung "Anyone Who Had A Heart" during the elimination sessions - I'd love to see Chanel tackle it.

BTW that should have been "an interesting alternative *to the* "authenticity" that etc. etc." up there

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 00:57 (twenty-one years ago)

It makes me wonder a bit why they bother with all those theme nights. 80s. Disco. Big band when all they get given is that awful Australian approximation of modern R&B that is so unpalatable and will no doubt make Mr ESOJ hate her if she wins.

Please, please, let the aberration that let that pillock Daniel through be corrected QUICKLY in the finals. It's a shame group 2 was so weak. Ngaiire would have qualified if she'd been in there rather than in 1.

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 01:06 (twenty-one years ago)

daniel was so obviously a sympathy vote

purple patch (electricsound), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 01:34 (twenty-one years ago)

i've never seen such sookery in my life. he looked like a puppy that had just been hit with a newspaper and was trying to bite back.

purple patch (electricsound), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 01:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I found his behaviour offensive and disgusting - an overreaction I know but it *really* pissed me off. The sheer arrogance of assuming that an awful performance on his part is entirely the fault of the judges for suggesting that he try to be a bit more youthful was astonishing. Who, upon receiving such advice, logically proceeds to massacre "Rock DJ"??

This is the lack of critical distance I refer to upthread: Daniel assumes that "pop" is a quality that inheres within a song itself, rather than in its performance (or a mixture of both if you prefer). In order to "go pop" or to "live it up", it's not enough for a classical performer to simply make a hamfisted cover of the least-serious song they can think of, as if the song's inherent pop qualities will magically neutralise the stiffness of the performer. There's always a relational link between the performer and the song, which, if stretched too far, will snap with a hideous twang.

I disliked his previous performance of "Pony" too, which introduced a distasteful element of boorish sexual coercion into a great song - all I could think of was football player gangbangs when he sung it. The man has no subtlety whatsoever.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 01:45 (twenty-one years ago)

So OTM, Tim. Gangbangs. Ew. Etc. Robbie Williams is, as I have said on here before, a pop star for people who have only the shallowest conception or appreciation of pop. "Rock DJ" is one of his better songs and largely "works" because it uses Robbie's smugness as a camp quality in its favour.

When someone like Daniel sings it, there's no pride, no LOOK AT WHAT I AM DOING AREN'T I ARCH AND CLEVER in it, it's like "Look at me! I'm slumming in popland!" and as such it comes horribly unstuck.

There was a Chanel Cole fansite, but it seems to have exceeded its bandwidth. Perhaps as an extension of my not-really-a-campaign-campaign I should expand.

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 01:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Pardon my ignorance, but is this the bloke who handled George Michael's Freedom like a tribute to happiness?

Dirty Muriel (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 01:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Whatever could you mean by THAT?

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 02:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, this bloke [who I thought was called Daniel] sang Freedom, but although it's supposed to be quite an angry, defiant song, he just belted it out like the happiest bloke on earth.

Dirty Muriel (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 02:10 (twenty-one years ago)

You're thinking of Ben. Freedom is my favourite pop song of all time, and Ben reminds me of a HAPPY version of me, so clearly he enjoys the song so much that he couldn't help himself.

"My style is pop. POP!". Brilliant! Shame the performance was crap. Crap! though. Thank goodness he won't be back or the embarassing identification would be far too much to bear.

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 02:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha ha I think I know Ben! Very slightly. I loved it when he said his style was pop too - but really (and though I adore "Freedom") it wasn't a good song to do; Mark is right to suggest a general ban on George Michael and Robbie Williams, and it's very telling that Robbie himself covered "Freedom"! Robbie's cover suffered some of the same problems as Ben's, although at least he had a plausible "angle" to push at the time. In both cases however the song (and pre-toilet George generally) are used as pseudo-anthems to *acceptable* metrosexuality.

Ben should have sung Daniel Bedingfield's "James Dean". THAT would have been magnificent!

Any consensus on whether Ben and Chanel were/are an item? They certainly appeared so.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 04:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Daniel can crawl into a hole and die, but otherwise he should consider singing Kids in the Kitchen's "Change In Mood". I think his voice is probably right for it, and those guitar runs would be an interesting challenge for the band.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 04:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Ben's hot with a capital BAM.

So is Daniel the operatically-trained one?

Dirty Muriel (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 04:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Robbie didn't so much cover "Freedom" as brutally rape it, slash its throat and then have at it again, before defecating all over the corpse. I did enjoy watching him squirm when he was asked what he thought the song meant quite a lot.

Ben/Chanel, I doubt. Ben would (again, like me) be quite accustomed to hearing "Oh, I really love you as a friend" from the ladies.

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 04:49 (twenty-one years ago)

ooh, i'd like to hear someone do 'change in mood' maybe we should post a copy of the pseudo echo thread to the music guy.

purple patch (electricsound), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 04:50 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah chanel's too good for ben.

purple patch (electricsound), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 04:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, so Robbie's the hot one then.

God. Sorry. I can shut up if it makes your lives any easier.

Dirty Muriel (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 04:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Robbie as in Robbie Williams, Adam. Ben is definitely very good looking but his hair/fashion on last Sunday and his generally too eager-to-please excited puppy behaviour both began to annoy me slightly. I think the residual annoyance that started to build up with Millsy from last season (also good looking) just transferred straight onto Ben, like he'd inherited the mantle or something.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 04:52 (twenty-one years ago)

If Daniel DID do Change In Mood, he would have to retain those strangled la-la-las at the start that sound more like "law law law". Otherwise, it would be UNCONSCIONABLE.

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 04:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Robbie as in Robbie Williams, Adam.

He did Freedom? I need to get out more.

Dirty Muriel (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 04:55 (twenty-one years ago)

"Ben/Chanel, I doubt. Ben would (again, like me) be quite accustomed to hearing "Oh, I really love you as a friend" from the ladies."

I don't know, I think metrosexuality carries a lot of currency in certain circles these days - although yeah it's not the universal pull-magnet some would have us believe. At first I thought Ben might actually be gay but it now seems highly unlikely, which might be unfortunate for him!

Really there's nothing that Daniel could do that wouldn't be mildly offensive. He's like a bull in a china shop. I also hate the way his mouth vibrates when he sings. AND his new look is much worse than his original appearance.

I can't believe we haven't mentioned ADRIAN'S USHER IMPERSONATION yet!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 04:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Repression, Tim. That's why I haven't mentioned it.

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 04:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Ben is a crap metrosexual though. He looks like he's never worn those clothes before. The stencils are a give-away, non?

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 05:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I really offended my boyfriend by railing against all the stencil t-shirts that have appeared so far. He has a stencil t-shirt and took it very personally. Then i had to make a circular argument which somehow pardoned his t-shirt while indicting all of the contestants'.

"Repression, Tim. That's why I haven't mentioned it."

Yes but but but I am mystified by the judge's love for it! I mean, sure, exceedingly brave choice, but did they hear the bit where he literally forgot his lines and wandered off into mumbling?

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 05:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh but it didn't matter, because he was doing his own thing and making it his own. Hey, look at me! I'm a master of NON-insight, just like Marcia!

I don't think it was a brave choice, really. I'm utterly convinced that a lot of tight contests are decided by the song and picking a popular one can really work. I think probably the reason that Levi got dropped out last year is that the song he picked in the week he went out would be a dim memory for a lot of his potential voters that weren't decided, compare Cosima who did a lot of base-covering.

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 05:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I meant brave as in "really fucking hard to sing because Usher is an alien freak vocally" - obv the popularity is a plus.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 05:43 (twenty-one years ago)

That said.. "I'm a white guy doing R&B" - so bloody what? People just would have gone "That's nice" and voted elsewhere.

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 05:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh yeah, and I found something so weird about Marcia saying "I'm a big believer in blue eyed soul!" I mean WTF girlfriend? Can't you be insipidly supportive in less of a bizarre manner? She's been so fucked up this year she makes Paula Abdul look like Judge Judy.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 05:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I love Paula, though. Marcia still hasn't moved beyond her "I am a woman! I am also black!" schtick. Andrew G has improved noticeably this year, at least.

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 05:54 (twenty-one years ago)

...but James Mathieson is still coming to terms with his pathological toolishness.

Paula was always better than Marcia but I got sick of watching her sit there all plastered up and emoting, "I was honoured and touched by your performance etc. etc." On the other hand at least she doesn't try to actively sabotage the singers' performances with contradictory me-power mumbo jumbo like Marcia. Her compliments to Laurence last week being the most breathtaking example of her stupidity perhaps.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 05:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I wonder where they dragged James up from. Then I remember. Viewers of Channel V voted for him to become a presenter. Andrew G I used to really have a problem, because I remember him from his dodgy radio days in Brisbane. He's been in my house, too.

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 06:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey am I alone in think Amali was really good?

(are you still in brisbane edward?)

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 06:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I liked Amali a lot, actually. I think it was a song that would have been unfamiliar to a lot of people, which could have hurt her impact. But she was great. I would like to hear her do something a bit quirkier - she should drop Joss Stone and listen to some Amy Winehouse. Not too much, though.

(I'm not, but I'm flying up there tomorrow for a bit)

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 06:10 (twenty-one years ago)

(where are you now then?)

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 06:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Like most Joss Stone though the song had that always-already-familiar quality to it. Amali had great phrasing though. I hope it wasn't all copped wholesale from Joss.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 06:15 (twenty-one years ago)

i'd like to see her do cole porter or bacharach stuff.

She did "Walk On By"! And it was amazing! And DICKO SLAGGED HER?! grrr.

Hayden (Pow, Pow, Pow) (haitch), Monday, 20 September 2004 02:35 (twenty-one years ago)

who, chanel or casey?

the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Monday, 20 September 2004 03:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Chanel.

Hayden (Pow, Pow, Pow) (haitch), Monday, 20 September 2004 03:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Marty needs to go.

C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Monday, 20 September 2004 09:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I AM A BIG NINNY

Michael Stuchbery (Mikey Bidness), Monday, 20 September 2004 10:05 (twenty-one years ago)

and I really shouldn't leave myself logged in for my friends to abuse.

Michael Stuchbery (Mikey Bidness), Monday, 20 September 2004 10:05 (twenty-one years ago)

My name is Zachariah, Zachariah Bifonio
And I,
I don't want to die
ALONE-IO!

Michael Stuchbery (Mikey Bidness), Monday, 20 September 2004 10:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I only wish Chanel had done a 60s girl group song or something. ANYTHING, at all, really.

edward o (edwardo), Monday, 20 September 2004 12:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Next week, I'm going to vote for whoever is best out of Chanel and Ricki-Lee and ALSO whoever is SECOND worst to try to get rid of Marty.

edward o (edwardo), Monday, 20 September 2004 12:16 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...
Oh my God, Chanel has never been this good!

C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Sunday, 24 October 2004 08:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Fuck you, judges!

C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Sunday, 24 October 2004 08:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Chanel got to funky, now she's gonna get Ricki-Lee'd.

C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Sunday, 24 October 2004 08:43 (twenty-one years ago)

God Anthony is boring, one more hugeass vocal, slow burning ballad and I'm gonna smash the TV.

C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Sunday, 24 October 2004 08:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Marsha is such a putz.

C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Sunday, 24 October 2004 08:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Will the gay community rally behind Anthony as per Marcia's comment? I think not. Surely not? Please no.

I thought Chanel was not very good, actually, and I love her.

edward o (edwardo), Sunday, 24 October 2004 08:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought she was OK... but that hair!?!

Haaaaaitch (haitch), Sunday, 24 October 2004 09:03 (twenty-one years ago)

She was actually really good in the second verse, Chanel was, as if she thought "Uh-oh, this ain't going so good", but in the first, it was if she didn't even like the song. Which is silly, as "Hit Em Up Style" is great. I thought the outfit was quite kitschy and knowing, which is exactly what she should be avoiding.

I preferred Train Wreck Casey to Dull Boring Understated Casey. Also, memo to Rolling Stone woman, the word "mischievous" is said "mis-che-vus" not "mischeeveeous" - grr, a pet peev of mine, that.

edward o (edwardo), Sunday, 24 October 2004 09:04 (twenty-one years ago)

A friend of mine was hovering around the official Idol messageboard and found someone we know posting about how they were voting like 60 times for Marty.

Who are the morons going to throw their votes behind NOW?

edward o (edwardo), Sunday, 24 October 2004 09:08 (twenty-one years ago)

The way the boring contestants rely on ballads SICKENS me. And they always get a rave out of the judges!

It's all been going wrong since the Beatles show, goddamnit!!

Haaaaaitch (haitch), Sunday, 24 October 2004 09:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Courtney in quite-good but nobody-else-will agree, I bet....
I love "What A Fool believes". I am not ashamed.

edward o (edwardo), Sunday, 24 October 2004 09:17 (twenty-one years ago)

chanel chanel chanel chanel chanel

actually i haven't watched this in weeks. i might try and catch up with the elimination show tonight...

the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Sunday, 24 October 2004 22:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Chanel gets the indie vote.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Sunday, 24 October 2004 22:48 (twenty-one years ago)

at the tram stop this morning i saw someone who looked like chanel in 10 years..

the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Sunday, 24 October 2004 23:00 (twenty-one years ago)

i watched some of this for only the second time last night, i thought chanel looked gorgeous, the state of the judges bagging her outfit and hair??? clearly no taste.

gem (trisk), Sunday, 24 October 2004 23:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I have a bit of a crush on a girl at work who looks like Chanel.

Haaaaaitch (haitch), Sunday, 24 October 2004 23:49 (twenty-one years ago)

no wonder, chanel is a spunk!

gem (trisk), Monday, 25 October 2004 02:09 (twenty-one years ago)

three weeks pass...
What an awful finish! THE SONG IS SHIT. Gimme something I can dance to at least!

haitch haitch haitch (or any three repetitive sounds) (haitch), Sunday, 21 November 2004 11:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Casey's performance of it was better tonight than last week though.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 21 November 2004 11:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Well she was the better of the two but thats not saying much.

papa november (papa november), Sunday, 21 November 2004 11:41 (twenty-one years ago)

No I quite like Anthony as well though he definitely stuffed up massively with song choice last week.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 21 November 2004 11:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Without wanting to sound like an arsehole - what the fuck, this is your Australian Idol?

Michael Stuchbery (Mikey Bidness), Sunday, 21 November 2004 12:18 (twenty-one years ago)

What do you mean?

Nellie (nellskies), Sunday, 21 November 2004 12:24 (twenty-one years ago)

It's just that Casey...PERSONALITY BLACHOLE! She REEKS of the surly teenage girls in my Year 9 English classes! The one with the Evanessence logo carefully coloured in biro on their folders!

Michael Stuchbery (Mikey Bidness), Sunday, 21 November 2004 12:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, she's pretty inarticulate.

papa november (papa november), Sunday, 21 November 2004 12:31 (twenty-one years ago)

BIG MISTAKE GUYS!

Michael Stuchbery (Mikey Bidness), Sunday, 21 November 2004 12:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Nah, she's actually pretty tops. You'd be inarticulate too with a mike shoved in your face, let alone when you were sixteen. All she's gotta do is be able to sing, and she can do that albeit that shite song that's been chosen for her.
gawdawful, anthony should have won, and casey could have had more time making a record that could have been much much better than the one that'll be made now.

Nellie (nellskies), Sunday, 21 November 2004 13:48 (twenty-one years ago)

You'd be inarticulate too with a mike shoved in your face, let alone when you were sixteen

From where do you draw these assumptions?

papa november (papa november), Sunday, 21 November 2004 14:12 (twenty-one years ago)

She REEKS of the surly teenage girls in my Year 9 English classes! The one with the Evanessence logo carefully coloured in biro on their folders!

Exactly the kind of person who should be winning this show. Come on, think about it guys, who is this show AIMED AT?

I'm glad she won. Shes female, shes koori and shes a big lass, and she won! This is brill.

Trayce (trayce), Sunday, 21 November 2004 21:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Also I think winning will be the best thing that ever happened to her. Her personality is so much more appealing now than she was when she first appeared. I think this is a big part of why she won in fact.

I'm hoping that Anthony not winning will be the impetus for him to fly to the US and record with Mutt Lange. I'm not confident, sadly.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 21 November 2004 22:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Blah blah blah, well call the show something other than 'Australian Idol' then.

Forgive me, I'm shitstirring, kinda. I'm sick and I only had two hours of sleep last night.

Michael Stuchbery (Mikey Bidness), Sunday, 21 November 2004 23:26 (twenty-one years ago)

This show is on a par with Dolly magazine. Its for the kids, really.

Apparently some pollie said the final was of "national interest" (or importance?)... my god. They should make the entire world go without TV and media for a week, people need a kick in the pants, I mean honestly.

Trayce (trayce), Sunday, 21 November 2004 23:43 (twenty-one years ago)

People will just use Casey being: an Indigenous Australian, Overweight and Female as a way of pretending we're a progressive kind of country. Kind of the same way people assuage their guilt about third world hunger and shit by giving a couple of bucks to the Red Cross once a year.

papa november (papa november), Sunday, 21 November 2004 23:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Well yeah for sure, its no reason to say we're doing anything right. God I hope that isnt made into an issue, that would blow.

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 22 November 2004 00:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Andrew Bolt will use Casey's win to show that Aborigines have equality in Australia and that Australia isn't racist.

He made a vaguely similar argument for Guy last year.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 22 November 2004 00:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I wasn't having a go at you at all Trayce, just an observation I made last night while I was watching it, ...thought it was an appropriate time to voice it.

papa november (papa november), Monday, 22 November 2004 00:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Nah I figured that, its cool. And a very good point too.

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 22 November 2004 00:13 (twenty-one years ago)

What are we voting for here? Feelgood embodiment of social issues of the moment or honest-to-god POP idol?

Michael Stuchbery (Mikey Bidness), Monday, 22 November 2004 00:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Good point.

papa november (papa november), Monday, 22 November 2004 00:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry, let's just get things straight here!

GOD THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE/THINGS/OBJECTS THAT NEED A SOLID BOOT UP THE JACKSIE AT THE MOMENT!

Michael Stuchbery (Mikey Bidness), Monday, 22 November 2004 00:34 (twenty-one years ago)

"What are we voting for here? Feelgood embodiment of social issues of the moment or honest-to-god POP idol?"

A definition of pop that can encompass Evanascence can encompass Casey surely.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 22 November 2004 01:09 (twenty-one years ago)


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