It's like a serious Varsity Blues - Billy Bob is Jon Voight minus the fascism, plenty of football-player partying, this team actually has more than one black player. Everything set up to be a nice little high-school football movie.
Except it's directed by Peter Berg. Is that the kiss of death or what?
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 12 August 2004 17:51 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 August 2004 17:54 (twenty-one years ago)
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 12 August 2004 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 12 August 2004 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)
im not really crazy about football movies [except wildcats] because they're generally not well done or its some other story played out against the backdrop of football, but this was excellent. the book is awesome, the cinematography is beautiful [especially how they managed to intersperse actual footage throughout it], tim mcgraw is fucking CREEPY and most of all, the soundtrack is really really well done [scored by explosions in the sky?!].
go see this.
― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:42 (twenty-one years ago)
i actually played Texas high school football (i was a very small cornerback) in Houston.
the previews for this blow my mind. the astrodome (everyone's dream was to play in the astrodome in the playoffs, we never got that far), the whole football on friday night feel, both playing and watching, everything about it gives me a major nostalgia rush.
it's also fun to see that the teams are the real texas teams. i recognize a lot of the jerseys.
it's strange that it looks like Odessa is portrayed as some sort of underdog? i haven't read the book, and i dont know the story, but we always considered them Big Dogs. (they are, if i remember correctly, famous for inventive trick plays)
― ryan (ryan), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:59 (twenty-one years ago)
there's a few gaps between the book and the film, but ill wait until others have seen it/want to chime in.
― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Thursday, 7 October 2004 03:08 (twenty-one years ago)
― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Thursday, 7 October 2004 03:12 (twenty-one years ago)
― ryan (ryan), Thursday, 7 October 2004 03:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Thursday, 7 October 2004 03:16 (twenty-one years ago)
― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Thursday, 7 October 2004 03:20 (twenty-one years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 7 October 2004 04:08 (twenty-one years ago)
― lemin (lemin), Thursday, 7 October 2004 04:35 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 7 October 2004 04:38 (twenty-one years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 7 October 2004 04:42 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 7 October 2004 04:45 (twenty-one years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 7 October 2004 04:46 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 7 October 2004 04:48 (twenty-one years ago)
― lemin (lemin), Thursday, 7 October 2004 04:56 (twenty-one years ago)
a reason the on-field stuff may not have been as spectacular as hoped: actual footage of the games in 1988 is interspersed throughout the footage they shot for the movie. in order to seamlessly intertwine the two, they might have not been able to get as exciting with their shots as they wanted. they did a really great job on merging it, because there was only one point where i noticed differences.
what did everyone think about how dry the film looked? all the colors were fairly contrasty and washed out. normally this would drive me nuts but once again, it worked in this film. it made it feel like an old film.
― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Thursday, 7 October 2004 12:03 (twenty-one years ago)
as for the look, i thought it was nice, pretty post-soderbergh
― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 7 October 2004 14:01 (twenty-one years ago)
ok, count me in then
― kephm, Thursday, 7 October 2004 14:10 (twenty-one years ago)
― ryan (ryan), Friday, 8 October 2004 23:31 (twenty-one years ago)
― Howard Wine (nordicskilla), Friday, 8 October 2004 23:57 (twenty-one years ago)
― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Saturday, 9 October 2004 00:21 (twenty-one years ago)
― Howard Wine (nordicskilla), Saturday, 9 October 2004 02:00 (twenty-one years ago)
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Saturday, 9 October 2004 02:07 (twenty-one years ago)
― Gigantic [something] (nordicskilla), Saturday, 9 October 2004 02:08 (twenty-one years ago)
― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Saturday, 9 October 2004 02:09 (twenty-one years ago)
― Gigantic [something] (nordicskilla), Saturday, 9 October 2004 02:10 (twenty-one years ago)
http://www.billybobthornton.net/
― Gigantic [something] (nordicskilla), Saturday, 9 October 2004 02:11 (twenty-one years ago)
nice that it not only hints at the dark side, shows that the town is destructively obsessed with football, but also asks WHY and empathizes with even the most unlikeable characters. there is deep despair in this film--which makes the stakes of the final game more important than any super bowl.
i know a lot of people will pronounce a lot of it to be cliche, but some cliches are real. i knew a star player who blew out his knee senior year, and i knew kids whose fathers were completely psycho like McGraw was. i often wonder about what happened to those star players i knew and played against, what happened in the rest of their life, if that's all their life amounted to, and i think the film gets at this feeling in a pretty powerful way.
― ryan (ryan), Saturday, 9 October 2004 03:11 (twenty-one years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 9 October 2004 03:14 (twenty-one years ago)
― Gigantic [something] (nordicskilla), Saturday, 9 October 2004 06:14 (twenty-one years ago)
haha! yes!
― Gigantic [something] (nordicskilla), Saturday, 9 October 2004 07:38 (twenty-one years ago)
― Gigantic [something] (nordicskilla), Sunday, 10 October 2004 18:26 (twenty-one years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Sunday, 10 October 2004 18:49 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 10 October 2004 18:56 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ratchet (nordicskilla), Sunday, 10 October 2004 21:07 (twenty-one years ago)
Some fantastic shots - I loved that montage of Permian, the stadium and football gear before the first game. Billy Bob Thornton, of course, can do no wrong.
This is destined to go down in the father-son film pantheon, ala Field of Dreams, for when McGraw hugs his son at the end if nothing else.
Two things that bothered me more than they should have-one of the HS quarterbacks wore an anti-concussion helmet with the funny facemask (think Peyton Manning), which weren't around until recently. Did they use real footage from the '88 games or from recent games?
the race angle, singling out the black referee for the bad call, really making the Dallas Carter kids into bad guys. I understand that the racial issues exist and that exact thing w/ the ref probably happened, but I didn't feel like they were handled as well as they could have been.
― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 11 October 2004 23:40 (twenty-one years ago)
― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 11 October 2004 23:41 (twenty-one years ago)
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― milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 00:07 (nineteen years ago)
― anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 00:39 (nineteen years ago)
― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 00:48 (nineteen years ago)
― anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 00:51 (nineteen years ago)
― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 00:53 (nineteen years ago)
I thought it was funny that they didn't even bother to go with the source material, choosing to rip off Varsity Blues instead.
― milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 00:55 (nineteen years ago)
― Butt Dickass (Dick Butkus), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 00:59 (nineteen years ago)
― mts (theoreticalgirl), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 03:05 (nineteen years ago)
What Carter Lost, the new-ish 30 For 30 about the unbelievable true story of the all black team from Dallas who were the big game opponents in the FNL film is AMAZING. I teared up a little at the end.
― to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 25 August 2017 08:21 (eight years ago)