MOTD is back - C/D

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"Welcome back... now, where were we before we were so rudely interrupted ?"

yes, Gary Lineker's scriptwriters hardly shocked us with their wit, but then again, WAY-HEY !!!! NO MORE 'THE PREMIERSHIP' HOO-HOO !!

darren (darren), Sunday, 15 August 2004 17:49 (twenty-one years ago)

First thoughts - as promised in a very pointed, non-ironic, post-credits pre-match link by Gary, there were highlights of all games rather than ITV's apologetic 'oh, and for those of you still tuning in at 11.55, here are a few other teams', and I felt they did it well enough.

Hansen and Lawro, for all their chummy BBC bonhomie that manifested itself most irritatingly at Euro 2004, must have known that their Saturday night stock could only increase when compared with the likes of Townsend and McCoist. Sure enough they were quick, to the point, relatively cliche-free and gave equal time to all the clubs.

What d'ya reckon ?

darren (darren), Sunday, 15 August 2004 17:55 (twenty-one years ago)

and did anyone else see itvs 'championship' program this morning? they've kept the u2 music...

zappi (joni), Sunday, 15 August 2004 18:43 (twenty-one years ago)

i saw that last week - didn' look all that bad actually.

ken c (ken c), Sunday, 15 August 2004 18:57 (twenty-one years ago)

The return of that theme tune on a Saturday night made me very happy. They fucked up several minutes in, which was a shame, but I was very pleased at the minimum four minutes per game rule - the 20 seconds of 'lesser' teams was never adequate at all. I know the majority are more interested in seeing Man U than Norwich (and I'm one of them), but that doesn't have to mean 20 minutes:20 seconds. I thought Lineker and Hanson were about at their best, and Lawro fine too. I don't know who else we'll see presenting/punditing, but it seems to me better than ever.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 15 August 2004 19:21 (twenty-one years ago)

In a lapse hard to account for, I missed most of the first hour. But I did see MOTD2 last night with Adrian Chiles. Chiles, if you don't know, has been a kind of floating financial correspondent on the daytime Beeb for some time (his CV is probably more interesting than that) and does rather remind me of my days of unemployment.

It was...OK. I did worry a bit just where talk of "reproductive organs" and "finding my wife in bed with another man" would take us and Kevin Day (or whatever his name is) was useless - it struck me as the sort of environment in which Wrighty (he's irrepressible!) would say something dubious and it would be encouraged.

Nice to see Strachan and Houll again.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 16 August 2004 05:30 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm waiting for jonathon pearce(?) to slip up and start talking about Corner Patrol Zones.

koogs (koogs), Monday, 16 August 2004 06:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Didn't catch much of MOTD, but the bit that I caught looked leagues ahead of The Premiershit. As everyone has pointed out the reduction of most teams to 20 seconds of coverage was scandelous, and a futile attempt at capturing viewers who wouldn't normally catch a football highlights show.

Ironically, The Championship on ITV is quite good. True, it keeps Aha's 'The Sun Always Shines On TV' as its theme music; and instead of getting good pundits in, it just omits pundits altogether. But the coverage seemed reasonable balanced between teams - as long as you support a team in the Champions' League. League's One & Two only seem to get a minute's highlights for the entire two divisions - why don't they get their own show? At least half the fun of watching the old Nationwide League Extra was the comically bad defending and wacky goal celebrations.

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Monday, 16 August 2004 08:23 (twenty-one years ago)

is MOTD2 like TOTP2? (they show 70s football games?)

ken c (ken c), Monday, 16 August 2004 08:24 (twenty-one years ago)

no, its the sunday footy with a repeat of saturdays goals.

I wz trying to think of where I saw adrian chiles. He was pretty bad.

But it doesn't matter: I loved the demolition job on everton and bergkamp's goal on his 500th appearance.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 16 August 2004 08:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought MOTD 2 was a bit rubbish, I like Adrian Chiles usually because he seems to be 4 REAL when he's going round fish finger factories, but he was well out of his depth last night, it was almost as if they'd asked me to go on telly and talk about football with The Wee Man and Houllier. The reproductive organs style comments were excruciating and the funny man wasn't funny, the 'interview' with Houllier was a bit off-colour and there wasn't much point repeating Saturday's goals because they'd already been on twice, once on Saturday night and once on Sunday morning with 45 minutes less waffle. I think Sunday morning is the best bet. Also I thought Houllier was telling porkies about playing deep. Most disturbing image: the matching his'n'hers stubble of the super-chummy Mourinho and Abramovich. And although the BBC have levelled out the time given to each team, they are definitely biased in the credits, where the club shields levitate out of the grounds.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 16 August 2004 10:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Adrian Chiles is GREBT on Radio Five, but pants on tele.

Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Monday, 16 August 2004 10:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Does he do football on the radio?

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 16 August 2004 10:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Yer man Chiles seemed to be far too in awe of being six feet away from Gordon Strachan for his own good. He didn't really have any control over the discussion patterns of the programme, and just seemed a bit too first-night-nerves about the whole thing.It's the kind of programme you could see becoming quite good if given time to gel a bit more, but it was definitely having teething issues last night. Getting the fuck rid of Kevin Day would be a start, agreed.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 16 August 2004 10:31 (twenty-one years ago)

It feels like a bunch of tension has been released. With the Premiership, I just knew on a Saturday night that I'd get wound up. This is now less likely with MOTD. Lineker said in the papers last week that the BBC doesn't have that overarching need to focus on the big three that ITV did. Or words to that effect.
Chiles was rubbish, indeed. He hardly gave Houiller a chance to speak. It was almost like having Jonathan Ross doing MOTD, ie the interviewer is the one with all the best (rehearsed) lines.

Japanese Giraffe (Japanese Giraffe), Monday, 16 August 2004 10:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, and what are people's thoughts regarding the (slightly) revamped Final Score, Football Focus etc?

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 16 August 2004 10:42 (twenty-one years ago)

final score will always be the realm of sky now for me, Soccer saturday rules. I missed motd this weekend though being otherwise detained, Goals on Sunday was as good as ever though

Porkpie (porkpie), Monday, 16 August 2004 10:57 (twenty-one years ago)

"Welcome back... now, where were we before we were so rudely interrupted ?"

Is this an Unamumo pastiche?

MikeyG (MikeyG), Monday, 16 August 2004 11:40 (twenty-one years ago)

it's close iirc

Porkpie (porkpie), Monday, 16 August 2004 11:41 (twenty-one years ago)

nope, we're getting our Basque heore mixed up (I bet PJ knows who we're talking about). Unamuno said this:
"At times to be silent is to lie. You will win because you have enough brute force. But you will not convince. For to convince you need to persuade. And in order to persuade you would need what you lack: Reason and Right."

Porkpie (porkpie), Monday, 16 August 2004 11:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, but when he was arrested at the university and then started teaching again after the civil war, that's when he said it.

Who was it then? Portillo?

MikeyG (MikeyG), Monday, 16 August 2004 11:45 (twenty-one years ago)

ah, I thought someone said something similar after Franco died?

(is this one of the more strange thread de-railments ever?)

Porkpie (porkpie), Monday, 16 August 2004 11:46 (twenty-one years ago)

But, Lineker was quoting it.

MikeyG (MikeyG), Monday, 16 August 2004 11:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I know where Unamuno was born, but that's about it. Hold on...

Friar Luis of Leon said 'as I was saying yesterday...' when he resumed teaching at Salamanca university after three years in prison, but that was because of the Inquisition.

I think, but I'm probably wrong, what happened with Unamuno, or one of the things that happened, was that during the civil war, Salamanca was quickly under the rule of Franco's lot and Unamuno was in charge of the university. There was some kind of meeting and someone, possibly the peg-legged one armed psycho-freak (Millan-Astray?) shouted 'death to intellectuals', much to the approval of his fellow fascists, and Unamuno, or someone, responded admirably.

I'm sorry if that is not specific enough for our purposes. I think it is covered in the Paul Preston book whose title I cannot recall but which consists of little biographies of important figures in the civil war. I haven't got it with me, so I can't have a look. I think the person who shouted 'death to intellectuals' was the same person who said of Garcia Lorca, 'I'm going to shoot a bullet up his arse for being a queer'. If it wasn't the same person, it would be in my epic screenplay, 'Guernica or Bust'.

I very much approve of this thread derailment and I shall not rest until the matter is solved.

People who might know: M. Skidmore, D. Moore.

Our Lady of the Indoors says she thinks it was probably Unamuno.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 16 August 2004 18:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Unamuno was the one who had "death to intellectuals!" shouted at him by one eye, one armed Millan -Astray, yes

Porkpie (porkpie), Monday, 16 August 2004 18:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Do you know how he responded? I seem to recall it was something melancholy.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 16 August 2004 18:49 (twenty-one years ago)

hold on, let me get my Beever out
if you will......

Porkpie (porkpie), Monday, 16 August 2004 18:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Splendid, splendid.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 16 August 2004 18:51 (twenty-one years ago)

copied from a random punter on blogger as I couldn't be arsed to type it out:
"The term 'necrophilous', to denote a character trait rather than
a perverse act in the traditional sense, was used by the Spanish
philosopher Miguel de Unamuno in 1936 on the occasion of a
speech by the nationalist general Millan Astray at the University
of Salamanca, where Unamuno was rector at the beginning of
the Spanish Civil War. The general's favorite motto was 'Viva
la muerte!' (Long live Death) and one of his followers shouted
it from the back of the hall. When the general had finished his
speech, Unamuno rose and said: 'Just now I heard a necrophilous
and senseless cry: "Long live Death!" And I, who have spent my
life shaping paradoxes which have aroused the uncomprehending
anger of others, I must tell you, as an expert authority, that this
outlandish paradox is repellant to me. General Millan Astray is
a cripple. Let it be said without any slighting undertone. He is a
war invalid. So was Cervantes. Unfortunately there are many
cripples in Spain just now. And soon there will be even more of
them if God does not come to our aid. It pains me to think that
General Millan Astray should dictate the pattern of mass psychology.
A cripple who lacks the spiritual greatness of Cervantes is wont
to seek ominous relief in causing mutilation around him.' At this
Millan Astray was unable to restrain himself any longer. 'Abajo la
inteligencia!' (Down with intelligence) he shouted. 'Long live Death!"
There was a clamor of support for this remark from the Falangists.
But Unamuno went on: 'This is the temple of the intellect. And I
am its high priest. It is you who profane its sacred precincts. You
will win, because you have more than enough brute force. But
you will not convince. For to convince you need to persuade.
And in order to persuade you would need what you lack: Reason
and Right in the struggle. I consider it futile to exhort you to
think of Spain. I have done.' (Unamuno remained under house
arrest until his death a few months later.)"

Porkpie (porkpie), Monday, 16 August 2004 18:54 (twenty-one years ago)

this if course means he's not the one I was thinking of. I was thinking of a very old man, who stood in the new Basque parliament when it was re-instated, having been a young man in the last one before Franco

Porkpie (porkpie), Monday, 16 August 2004 18:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Very good, so far.

I will try to find out who the Basque parliament person is.

My guess:

Dolores Ibarari (?), La Pasionaria, who came back from the Soviet Union admidst scenes of great emotion. She wasn't a man though.

I do hope Linekar was echoing her. You can take him out of Leicester market, but you can't take the Leicester market out of him.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Ibarruri.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:07 (twenty-one years ago)

that's her, I confused my genders!!

Porkpie (porkpie), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:08 (twenty-one years ago)

You can listen to an excerpt from one of her Motty-esque speeches here:

http://tallermanual.tripod.com/radio/descripcion/v03.htm

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:17 (twenty-one years ago)

No Pasaran


Mooro (Mooro), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:45 (twenty-one years ago)

No adverts, that's a good thing. I thought the highlights of the main matches were a little too short, but I guess they are trying to be more equal. Good to have Johnaton Pierce doing commentary!

jel -- (jel), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:47 (twenty-one years ago)

"they'll be dancing in the streets of sociedad tonight" = Jonathan Pearce should never be allowed near a microphone, the man is an ignorant, blowhard twat.

Porkpie (porkpie), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Why won't pictures work for me today?.

Mooro (Mooro), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm flattered that PJ thought I might have some idea on this - not my territory at all, I'm afraid, and I haven't a clue.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:59 (twenty-one years ago)

harpo marx did something similar - 'as i was saying in 1907...'

koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 07:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks for the detail, It was Friar Luis of whom I was thinking. Incidentally, everyone, go to Salamanca. Beautiful buildings and a lovely arcaded main square. And don't forget to spot the frog.

MikeyG (MikeyG), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 07:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Martin, it's because you read a lot. Mooro, it's because you know all about aeroplanes. I do hope you persevere in your attempts to illustrate this thread, if that's what you were doing.

I think it must have been the 'proper' parliament as she was MP or whatever representing Asturias, both before and after. But I don't know.

I thought we did very well last night, me and Cabbage. We were the intellectual equivalent of Cissé and Baros.

Salamanca - rumour has it there's also a skeleton having a wank. So the expression 'I've got a massive bone on' must be anatomically correct after all.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 08:45 (twenty-one years ago)

unfortunately, due to this thread I've decided to re-read the Beever book onthe civil war, hmmm, expect me to be looking confused and flicking back to see who was on who's side for the next few days

Porkpie (porkpie), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 08:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I bought a big two volume job in Spanish. It's in mint condition. What confuses me is it's the baddies who are rebels. Very poor script-editing there.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 08:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Cabbage looking confused - that'll be a novelty.

I think Peter searches Spanish cities relentlessly for bits of smutty sculpture. He was really proud of that one in Barcelona where one chap is trying to bum another one.

Mooro (Mooro), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 08:53 (twenty-one years ago)

There is a great HV Morton book on Spain by the way. Based on Ford (as all the great English travel books seem to be) and full of history.

I couldn't see the frog even when someone pointed it out to me.

MikeyG (MikeyG), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 08:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I like the statue outside Laon cathedral wearing the Nike trainers.

Mooro, you're a very very cheeky man.

Porkpie (porkpie), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 09:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Mooro, they are not chaps, they are cherubs. And he is not *trying* to bum him, they are already engaged in full-on celestial bumming. Otherwise OTM.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 09:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Heaven, I’m in heaven
And my heart beats so that I can hardly speak
And I seem to find the happiness I seek
When we’re out together dancing cheek to chee

Mooro (Mooro), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 09:56 (twenty-one years ago)

cheek to chichi perhaps?

CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 09:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Get this philosophy off my football thread!

Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 10:02 (twenty-one years ago)

erm, it's History dude

Porkpie (porkpie), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 10:09 (twenty-one years ago)

"was used by the Spanish philosopher Miguel de Unamuno in 1936 "

Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 10:14 (twenty-one years ago)

the you should have said "get this philosopher off my thread" ;o)

Porkpie (porkpie), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 10:31 (twenty-one years ago)

...motherfucker"

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 10:37 (twenty-one years ago)

there's no need for that sort of language Ken, please

Porkpie (porkpie), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 10:41 (twenty-one years ago)

you guys have corrupted my pure soul.

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 10:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, no -- I missed the first minutes of the new series, including Gary's by-the-sound-of-it Livingstonesque opener, which I have only just read about, here.

the bellefox, Sunday, 22 August 2004 23:46 (twenty-one years ago)

It really is odd that no-one mentioned Ken (L), upthread.

Miller was funny, on the skeleton, really, though he is naughty.

But I don't get his dislike of 'waffle', ie. great punditry. I have long stretches of videotape with nothing but BBC footy punditry, where the tape cuts when the actual football starts. (I have at least one witness to this fact.)

the matchfox, Sunday, 22 August 2004 23:52 (twenty-one years ago)

three years pass...

Welcome back... now, where were we before we were so rudely interrupted?

the pinefox, Sunday, 13 April 2008 22:24 (eighteen years ago)

MATCH OF THE DAY 2 tonight

Manchester United 2-1 Arsenal

Liverpool 3-1 Blackburn Rovers

I am not Chiles's greatest fan, but his hair actually looked better to me tonight.

I liked the way they lingered on the implications and precedents of the first game; the sense of mulling it over (and this is not, I think, only Arsenalphobia; Lee Dixon, white bracelet and all, did much of the mulling, after all).

Wenger said something about somebody wanting all things to go against them. 'What do you mean by that?' 'Nothing'.

I was glad to see that Liverpool won, and it struck me that I would enjoy seeing them really going for the title, for a change - I mean, being top in spring, etc. I hope that happens, one day, I think. But I thought that commentary on Gerrard was possibly biased / misguided. I like him a lot! But I worried that he was Diving, today, for various of the not-given penalties that the team called stone-wall pens.

Also: footage, during the game, of Fabio Capello leaving the ground. Perhaps somebody, possibly called Mike, could tell me whether MotD footage has ever before included such thoroughly extra-game, non-match footage during what is notionally still the match.

the pinefox, Sunday, 13 April 2008 22:30 (eighteen years ago)


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