he's been careering...

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Lester Bangs:

"Mr. Charles Bukowski, America's greatest living poet...the toast of France since he went on their version of the Dick Cavett show drunk, refused to wear translators headphones, asked a literary critic if he could slobber all over he calves on national television, and told the assembled frogmatik culture vultures that they should have dropped a hydrogen bomb on themselves that day in 1961 that Louis-Ferdinand Celine died inasmuch as they had not produced a single writer above Puegeot ad copy since; this man, the author of 33 books...now sat back in his worn swivle chair, relit his stogie, unpopped another colt 45, and surveyed his audience...

'Mr. Bukowski?'

'Yes?'

'Um...we, uh...um...would you suggest writing as a career?'

There's your punch line. Just imagine asking Archie Shepp: 'would you suggest free jazz as a career?' Charles Bukowski worked in the post office, with unpaid overtime, for 14 yrs. straight. Eventually he got desperate enough that one night he stopped off on the way home and bought a fifth of whisky, two six packs of beer, and two packs of cigarettes; as he himself put it later, 'I wanted to be a writer and I was scared.' That night he got dead drunk and wrote 30 pages. The next night he got dead drunk and wrote 40. Most of what he found on the sofa the next morning, a good deal of which you can be sure he had no memory of composing, was not only useable, but good. Literature, even. Many writers try to duplicate experiences like this, since they've bought into the myth that to write well you must be a drunken wretch. I'm glad because most of them are terrible and will wind up on skid row rather than bothering the rest of us in some capacity or another. Bukowski wrote a novel called Post Office in 21 nights. It has been in print for several years and gone through several editions. I've read it five times. It's not one of my favorite works of his. Charles Bukowski does not have a career."

and neither do most of my heroes. (of which bukowski is not necessarily one...maybe when i was a drunken wretch of a college student also nursing the above myth...but you can certainly still substitue les for chuck...and he DIED of all that shit...) is it wrong at "my age" to stil view the entire concept of careerism, the corporate ladder, upward mobility, lateral movement, investing, home and boat ownership...with a (sometimes not so) thinly disguised contempt? should i just grow up, get on with it, start to learn about mortgages and refinancing and iras and tort reform and um, other stuff? should i start giving a toss that i'm wearing dirty jeans and sneakers? should i get a pair of respectible glasses, a "clean" haircut, and stop wearing boots to work? i feel as if i'm drowning in a corporate culture i want nothing to do with...like howard the duck...born into a world i never made...

jess, Monday, 12 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

needless to say i survived my trade show.

jess, Monday, 12 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 12 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Look, I view it with a lot of contempt myself, but different writers have different ways of overcoming their inhibitions. It's hard to write literature when your inner critic/censor tells you 'no, someone's done that' or 'no, that could be much better.' Perhaps the lesson of Bukowski is not to be such a perfectionist. Or don't talk yourself out of what you really want. Sometimes knowing the machinations of the literary world is a handicap, trust me.

Another question which might be relevant is 'surrounded by other self- avowed iconoclasts, how much of an iconoclast are you really?' I think about this stuff too, Jess, all the time.

Aargh. Back to bed. This is misery-making when I've got my annual harsh cold.

suzy, Monday, 12 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

it's not even about writing so much...although i guess on some level it is...as that's what "i am" (am i?...always so hard to say)...it's about...rejection...and values...and the stuff of being alive...in this modern america (or britain, or whereevah)...

gah. sorry. d*** p*****l ellipse attack there.

i suppose i'm just being a whiny twentysomething bitch, pulling a cliched post-adolescent "look at my life" deal, but it's been quite bothering me as of late. i really do feel like i'm at the threshhold of entering into a world which would render me inside out of what i feel like i really "am". but i don't know exactly what to fill my life with otherwise. or if i'm really just being a child and should get on the ball. i'm tired and i'm probably making even less sense than the original post now.

jess, Monday, 12 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i don't think there's anything wrong with viewing it like that.

mind you, you have to be 100% prepared to live precariously, off govt benefits and grants, and shitty jobs, and put up with sneering relatives and firends who look at you askanse and ask what the fuck, but hey, you have conviction and cred on yr side, when you say I'm a writer....yr creating art, they're creating suburban sprawl, not that there's anything _worn_with that per se, but if it's not yr life, it's not.

Geoff, Monday, 12 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The only reason being drunk etc is good for writing is that it stops people being literary

maryann, Monday, 12 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Jess, I am feeling your overblown angst and crippling self-doubt. You're like the brother I'd keep locked up in my attic. I am just waiting for ONE thing to happen that will stop me from pursuing this Comp Sci degree I'm heading towards (starting next Spring) - I'm certainly not feeling the Comp Sci love, nor am I all that sure that I want to. HOWEVER, I do know that it's sensible and prudent (bah!) to get this done so I have it (the degree), regardless of what I end up doing with myself. (Sensible friends tell me I can write, regardless of my career / scholastic path - I hate when they're right.)

I must admit that the idea of living as a starving writer scares me more than the idea of living as a lifeless corporate automaton. Granted, those aren't realistic images, but try convincing me of that. I'm going to go read some Frank O'Hara while listening to Elliott Smith, dreaming of something MORE, more than this suburban 2.5-kids raised-ranch clean-cut grass cul-de-sac my inner Little Shit fears so. Pardon my pretentiousness.

Actually, thanks to Jess' beautiful simile, I'll be thinking of Lea Thompson. Hum daddy.

David Raposa, Monday, 12 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The worst legacy of the Beat generation is the idea that you can't do or be both, this sneering at the concept of the 'day job' that allows a creative individual the security to be such. When looking out for a job, make one of your secret criteria that it be a job you can snuggle into and just get on with and which gives you a fair bit of free time at whichever end of the day you want it. Pick the right job and you can take advantage of what the corporate world offers (above average pay, something to kick against, fast office net connections ha ha) without needing to worry too much about a 'career ladder', and you'll have your free time in which to write or work creatively.

My main problem with my career isn't that I feel it's not 'me' (it's not me, but it gives me the cash I need to enjoy being me the rest of the time) or that I feel its stopping me being a writer (that'd be my indiscipline, and besides I'm happy with what I've achieved so far), but the feeling that what I'm doing is utterly, absolutely, pointless. So I'm thinking of a change of career, maybe trying to go work for an NPO. But that's another thread for me to start sometime.

Tom, Monday, 12 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Well, TS Eliot worked in a bank before the Fabers sprung him out to work as an editor, no?

I'd prefer it if my 'day job' had some kind of connection to what I want to do 'for real' and luckily make enough to live on without having a 9 to 5 gig of some kind. I don't make a good subordinate so the daily grind doesn't work for me, but most of the stuff people buy to be the real them out of office hours (books and records) is sent to me two months before it's released and the rest of it doesn't really preoccupy me if I don't have it. The only pro to day job that I can see is getting paid regularily and on time.

suzy, Tuesday, 13 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I don't like working for money. I don't like money. I don't like being part of a system that keeps the division between haves and have-nots growing and growing and growing. I rarely go out shopping apart from food and necessaries. I even resist buying clothes (unless their falling to bits) because no matter how good they look (and crikey, some of them look good!) I can't help thinking that the act of purchasing them implicates me in some way into some horrible process.

Is that wierd? God, I have a fear of shopping. I think its wierd. No Logo and Captive State has a lot to answer for...

Will, Tuesday, 13 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

unless their falling to bits? Unless THEIR falling to bits? Oh god, you can tell I haven't had my Kinder Bueno yet...

Will, Tuesday, 13 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

yes will, that's most unlike you. now mind out or you're gonna look like an even bigger hippy than me!

katie, Tuesday, 13 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)


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