The spread of the English Language across the world: C or D?

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There was a similar thread about people coming *in* to English speaking countries, but what about its export? The English Language is strapping on its marching boots and going global: should it be stopped? Will languages go extinct in the long term? Will the world be full of clones? I am currently feeling kind of guilty about teaching my Brazilian students English. Am I an agent of globalisation? Is globalisation Classic or Dud?

Will, Tuesday, 13 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

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Will, Tuesday, 13 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh shit, sorry Will. It was a joke. As much as I dislike Melvyn Bragg his series the Roots (Routes) Of English about the export and subsequent dialects of Enlgish was very interesting. Most interesting was that English English (ie English as spoken in England) is one of the smallest minorities of discernable English dialects - even within Europe. Euro-english will be the language of the EU, using English words but often with continental sentence structures and with aides to facilitate it being used as a second language.

It also showed how Geoffrey Boycott was a cult figure in India and how kids are now speaking like him which was less instructive but very very weird.

Pete, Tuesday, 13 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

No worries, Pete!!! Honestly, its a (dare I say it?) valid point and its something I've thought a lot about, myself.

Will, Tuesday, 13 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Its not as if they speak Brazillian now is it? Maybe the Portugeuse should have been so thoughtful. And - um - things change. I actually think that now we have the spiffy Interweb languages are a lot less likely to die out for instant publishing of documents preserving said lingos is suddenly cheap.

Pete, Tuesday, 13 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I think that English is an okay language to go global seeing as the British Empire touched every continent. For those who were not lucky enough to be part of the British Empire, at least English has Germanic, Greek & Latin origins so if they were part of the French, Spanish, Portuguese or Dutch "empires", English is still a somewhat suitable language for them.

toraneko, Tuesday, 13 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

there's always a language spreading throughout the world. in the 18th Century french was the language of international communications insofar as they had them.

the world will never be full of clones of english, people vary.two groups of mutual friuends speak differently, language is always mobile.

matthew james, Tuesday, 13 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

More English-language records in the charts in every European country *every week* than records in French or German in the UK charts in the last 49 years. So maybe more inevitable than Classic or Dud?

Though the Radio 4 series Pete mentions was revealing for its exposure of the new linguistic fusions developing between old dialect words and US slang (a kind of linguistic folk-rock, if you like) which cut through a lot of pessimistic bullshit from both sides.

Robin Carmody, Tuesday, 13 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I don't see why we shouldn't return to Latin. The language of scholars for a good 2000 years. Why on earth did we change that? It made so much sense than writing heedlessly in whatever language you happened to SPEAK, but now there's bunches of papers to translate and a leftover dead language. Stupid, stupid, stupid. I'm not opposed to globalization, but I'm certainly opposed to a change in it.

Lyra, Tuesday, 13 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)


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