novelists vs. the machine

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"The consumer economy loves a product that sells at a premium, wears out quickly or is susceptible to regular improvement, and offers with each improvement some marginal gain in usefulness. To an economy like this...[the novel is] an anthetitcal product. [It] is inexpensive, infinitely reusable, and worst of all, unimprovable."

"The American writer today faces a totalitarianism analgous to the one with which two generations of Eastern bloc writers had to contend. To ignore it is to court nostalgia. To engage with it, however, is to risk writing fiction that makes the same point over and over: technological consumerism is an infernal machine, technological consumerism is an infernal machine..."

- Jonathon Franzen, "Perchance to Dream: in the age of images, a reason to write novels"

Is the novel as a form unimprovable?

Does 21st Century capitalism hate books?

Was Franzen an elitist fool to offend Oprah?

fritz, Tuesday, 13 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Why not combine them?

Prude, Tuesday, 13 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Check this out, too.

Prude, Tuesday, 13 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Unregulated capitalism > conspicuous consumption > envy > crime > fear > perceived need for security > consensus > repression > ideology geared to justify same

dave q, Tuesday, 13 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Blimey, on this showing Franzen is letting his martyr complex get in the way of his imagination. "Sold at a premium" = hardback books. "Wears out quickly" = you finish a book. "Marginal improvement in usefulness" = idea of a writer's developing body of work (his next novel will be EVEN BETTAH!). Novels are the perfect techno-capitalist product, by his definition.

Tom, Tuesday, 13 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"The American writer today faces a totalitarianism analagous to the one with which two generations of Eastern bloc writers had to contend": he SO wishes…

mark s, Wednesday, 14 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

can i just say that books are sold with a very low margin. hardback books make less money than paperbacks, and often lose money. i don't think he was saying that novels as a form are unimprovable, but that you can't upgrade a better version of a book you have. there is no product cycle in novels. you don't need to buy Gravity's Rainbow NT.

The best publishers can do in that style of selling is prestige re- issues. let's say, oo just randomly, re-packaged movie versions of, say errr, Lord of the Rings. Bloody Tolkien fans will buy anything.

Alan Trewartha, Wednesday, 14 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

He's still being silly, though. Books, like any other mass-produced art product, are a repertoire FMCG, i.e. you buy more than one brand (author) and you potentially buy them often. Techno-capitalism wants people to buy more books, surely?

Tom, Wednesday, 14 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

(great piece on tolkien in most recent LRB by jenny turner, the good bits and the bad)

mark s, Wednesday, 14 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

As to the specific question about Oprah - I'm not sure it's naked elitism as much as a respectable businesslike wish to want to avoid one very very big brand muscling in on another little and slow- building one. But also I think Franzen is maybe worried (horrified perhaps) that Oprah has seen an Oprah-ness in his novel which perhaps was unintended - accepting the Oprah seal might make him have to ask and answer all sorts of questions about the relationship between the Great American Novel and the Great American Soap, and the answers might well not fit with whatever self-image he has as a writer.

Tom, Wednesday, 14 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

well the stuff about totalitarianism is bonkers. i'd say that antithetical is stretching it a bit -- all he's really saying is that books aren't diamonds or expensive laptop computers. still i'm sure he got paid well for the increased word count!

(Declaration of interest: corrections is published by hc in uk)

Alan Trewartha, Wednesday, 14 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

If someone released "Gravity's Rainbow NT" I would buy it.

Norman Phay, Wednesday, 14 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Alan, if you think books are sold with a "low margin" you want to try selling CDs! The mark up on books is generous by comparison.

Andrew Williams, Wednesday, 14 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

fair enough, i don't know much about the costs of CDs. but i know a silly amount on books. a lot of the markup does go to the distributors (50% for certain big stores i could mention)

Alan Trewartha, Wednesday, 14 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

isn't this from an essay franzen wrote for harper's a couple of years back?

franzen's 'offending' of oprah was, to my eyes, nothing more than an expression of genuine confusedness by someone who had been getting harassed by his public at his readings. when 'the corrections' was first selected i remember that my first reaction was surprise, because, let's face it, who would really have thought that a book blurbed by dfw and delillo would be picked for the oprah book club? and the people who were harassing him, who are probably no better than the oprah bookphiles they disdain (they just follow different cultural leaders to see which bits they should consume, like terry gross of npr, dave eggers, &c#151;but generally the embrace of those previously embraced is just as in-line as the oprah fans the 'cultured' are so quick to turn up their noses towards.)

i have been trying to put myself in his shoes, and i think that i would have been just as uncomfortable as he was. and the 'solutions' people are devising to make him (and his public!) feel better—taking the oprah sticker off the book, etc—would have never flied with his publisher, because as we know oprah stickers mean cash.

oprah should not have uninvited him to the dinner; the conversation about masscult and midcult that might have ensued could have been quite illuminating on both oprah's and franzen's sides. also, i was really anticipating the audience reaction; my mom, who's something of an oprahphile, read 'the corrections' and for the most part liked it, but she found the prose to be a tad wanky for her taste.

the other thing about leaping too far into the 'accepted by the industry' pit is that the notion of criticism, whether it's constructive or just knee-jerk opinionating, goes out the window. when was the last time you saw any major popculty figure who wasn't in a previously publicized feud say that they didn't like a particular album or movie, or even express an ambivalent opinion about it? or, further than that, when did you see a magazine that gave a bad review to a 'big' project—say, the recent review of 'invincible' in entertainment weekly—confer the 'not worth it' status on coverage of said project? and please don't throw claims of 'objectivity' my way—that's merely a smokescreen for staying in line with What The Public Wants Which Will Also Hey How About That Sell Magazines.

maura, Wednesday, 14 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yes, it's from the Harper's article from '96, written during the time he was working on The Corrections. To his credit, the over all tone of the piece is a lot more reasonable than the inflammatory quotes above, but there is a fair bit of spleen-venting in it. His initial attitude seems to be one of 'here I am doing important work and nobody seems to care, and from this I can surmise that my culture is spiritually bankrupt' - it seems petty and self-important - but he goes on to analyze how this attitude paralyzed him as a writer and ultimately concludes that one must be engaged with ones culture in order to write.

Interestingly in light of the Oprah debacle he talks about his admiration for and empathy with writers like Pynchon & Salinger who refuse to do interviews or "communicate extra-novelistically", but goes on to say that he feels that doing press is neccessary for an author. Not having domne the show has probably garnered more press now than having done it would have, but I don't know if press guarantees the sales generated an Oprah appearance and sticker on the jacket.

fritz, Wednesday, 14 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

'here I am doing important work and nobody seems to care, and from this I can surmise that my culture is spiritually bankrupt'

Cor, haven't we just had a thread about this?

RickyT, Wednesday, 14 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Dude, if I was Franzen, I would have enjoyed the Oprah status, & either written my next book based on the experience, or written one specifically geared to the Oprah audience as a genre exercise. Then I would have published the Metal Machine Music of novels -- a family scene on the cover and burroughs cut ups of wall street journal articles inside.

Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 14 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)


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