Minidisk Microphone Question

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Am moving into the 20th Century, people. Bought a minidisk recently, ostensibly to tape interviews (though I also made a bitchen 5 hour mix for the journeys to and from Reading last week)... I bought a battery-powered tieclip microphone for £20, but it barely records above a whisper, even if i set the recording level manually at full.

What am I doing wrong? Am willing to spend more on a decent microphone, any recommendations?

stevie (stevie), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 11:02 (twenty years ago) link

I had this problem with my MD recorder. As far as I'm aware you have to pay out for a supa-sensitive mic (don't have any recommendations, I'm afraid)

the impossible shortest special path! (the impossible shortest specia), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 11:05 (twenty years ago) link

If you're looking for smaller mics, you might want to look for stealth mics that are often used for recording concerts - they usually have a good dynamic range, are tiny, and come in either omni or cardioid pickup patterns (depending on your needs). Usually they start around $150 on up.

Another good thing for volume modulation is an external preamp. Also to remember that line-in and mic-in are two different ports, and the impedences are different - so your source and your port does matter.

Girolamo Savonarola, Wednesday, 1 September 2004 11:11 (twenty years ago) link

Go with the sony ones - £70, but £70 that works.

___ (___), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 11:14 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, I got a Sony one for $70 (are they really 70 pounds in the U.K.? ouch) that can record a whole room with pretty amazing clarity.

spittle (spittle), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 11:17 (twenty years ago) link

Probably not Spittle - they were about 4 years ago when I got one though!

___ (___), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 11:21 (twenty years ago) link

Also to remember that line-in and mic-in are two different ports, and the impedences are different - so your source and your port does matter.

sadly, my minidisk only has a line-in, no mic-in. grrrr.

thanks for the suggestions!

stevie (stevie), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 12:06 (twenty years ago) link

The thing about most small capsule condenser mics is that they need external power and that usually comes in the form of 1.5-2V phantom power from the mic-in socket; if you're using one into a line-in they'll require their own battery pack.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 12:49 (twenty years ago) link

have plumped for http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005QBUW/qid=1094049509/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl/202-4292069-3033463

how difficult would it be to record a show with one of these suckers? if i hid the mic inside a rucksack, would it still record?

xxx

stevie (stevie), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 13:38 (twenty years ago) link

Wow, looks like you picked a big f*cker! I use one of these http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00006IS4P/103-9159216-2188613?v=glance , mostly clipping it onto the collar of my t-shirt to record gigs. It has its own internal battery (pill size)

It cost me about £80 a few years ago, although I never shopped around because I was in a hurry so I probably could have got it cheaper.

Its OK (for my ears, Mike's are much more discriminating) however the design of the microphones being to the sides (the ECM-719 looks similar) means that it picks up sound from all around you including audience chatter, not just from the band in front of you. You can also rest it on a flat surface, if there is no need to be stealthy.

I know some people who go to great lengths to hide binaural mics in hats, etc. This seems like a mighty pain in the arse, especially when you maybe have to also secrete a battery pack somewhere about your person.

Mooro (Mooro), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 16:29 (twenty years ago) link

mooro's is the same as mine but i wouldn't describe it as stealthy. i've also never used the internal battery because my MZ-R30 had 'phantom-power'

> picks up sound from all around you including audience chatter

'were you recording this andy?'
'still am, joe...'

8)

koogs (koogs), Thursday, 2 September 2004 07:34 (twenty years ago) link

sadly, my minidisk only has a line-in, no mic-in. grrrr.

Hmm. That could be the problem - line-in anticipates a hotter signal, so a mic signal might just not be powerful enough to create a good recording.

The thing about most small capsule condenser mics is that they need external power and that usually comes in the form of 1.5-2V phantom power from the mic-in socket; if you're using one into a line-in they'll require their own battery pack.

Another good reason to get a dynamic mic - they don't need batteries or external power sources.

Girolamo Savonarola, Thursday, 2 September 2004 08:26 (twenty years ago) link

would using a pre-amp solve the lack of a mic-in problem?

stevie (stevie), Thursday, 2 September 2004 11:05 (twenty years ago) link

This set up is getting out of hand.

Alba (Alba), Thursday, 2 September 2004 11:13 (twenty years ago) link

it is, isn't it? i should go the whole hog and lug my brother's digital 8 track to interviews!

stevie (stevie), Thursday, 2 September 2004 11:15 (twenty years ago) link

if youre going to put a mic into the line in while tpaing a show you really have to pay attention to the volume levels. i wouldn't hide the mic in a bag

kephm (kephm), Thursday, 2 September 2004 12:27 (twenty years ago) link

how odd that i read the thread title and immediately knew this would be the problem! i fucked up an entire all tomorrow's parties recording sesh due to exactly the same complaint. never did solve it, and instead bought a mono (!) cassette (!) dictafone (!) for interviews...suits me fine.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Thursday, 2 September 2004 12:28 (twenty years ago) link

it's odd, I have an unpowered tie mic for my minidisc (actually my old one) and that recorded gigs etc absolutely fine, and not at all quiet. maybe I just got lucky?

Porkpie (porkpie), Thursday, 2 September 2004 12:37 (twenty years ago) link

I've got a little Vivanco lapel mic that was recommended to me by a radio person in the know for broadcast-quality interviews. Never had a problem, but you both have to get quite close to it, which can be uncomfortable or embarrassing (or sexy, depending on who you're interviewing, ho ho). It's not really that good for bootlegging.

Madchen (Madchen), Thursday, 2 September 2004 15:01 (twenty years ago) link

'Not really that good' = OK, but not as good as friends' microphones on which they have spent more wonga.

Madchen (Madchen), Thursday, 2 September 2004 15:03 (twenty years ago) link

stevie:

have you tried playing around with the setting on your MD recorder? There should be a way to boost the recording level internally . . . little clip-on mics are always the best, but they shouldn't be bad. What are your mic techniques like? Are you getting the mic close enough? granted, it could all come down to not having a "mic in" thing.
Also, that mic you linked to via amazon is one that i've used before. it's pretty sensitive, so i wouldn't record from within your rucksack. the handling noise will overpower anything else you're trying to record. if you're trying to make a recording in a discreet way, there are stereo microphones that attach to your glasses...they're hidden inside the cord thingy that keeps your glasses on. of course, you look quite ridiculous, but whatever. the best microphone for taping interviews is probably a shotgun mic. they run around $300 & are usually phantom powered, so you won't drain on your MD battery. They aren't very discreet, however. so i guess it depends on what you favor more. i can give you names of good shotgun mics, if you need brands, etc.

kelsey (kelstarry), Thursday, 2 September 2004 15:13 (twenty years ago) link

kelsey, have tried the manual override of the record level setting, pushing it to full, but that makes little difference... primary reason for using the minidisk is interviews anyway, so hopefully this sony micropone will do the trick - am taking it into the radio studio with me on monday so the producer can show me where i've been going wrong. i have a sneaking suspicion the only solution will involve buying another minidisk recorder, unfortunately.

stevie (stevie), Thursday, 2 September 2004 15:24 (twenty years ago) link

yeah. it kinda sounds like that. you can get refurbished ones pretty cheap . . .
just be careful with that stereo mic. it's great, but SO SO sensitive. probably okay with a little table stand, but i was doing some field recordings & i had to be so careful about it picking up handling noise. i think i wore gloves.

kelsey (kelstarry), Thursday, 2 September 2004 15:49 (twenty years ago) link

Whatever you do, it is urgent and key and you hide your microphone in a hat, even if it's just for interviews.

Alba (Alba), Thursday, 2 September 2004 16:06 (twenty years ago) link

fuck mic-ing a hat

stevie (stevie), Thursday, 2 September 2004 17:17 (twenty years ago) link

Nah, forget the hat, get the tiny capsule ones and put them on top of a pair of glasses. Works really well most of the time for stealthing.

Girolamo Savonarola, Thursday, 2 September 2004 17:32 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.minidisc.org/homemade_mics.html

gives some tips on being stealth-like with yer mics.

kelsey (kelstarry), Thursday, 2 September 2004 17:55 (twenty years ago) link


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