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In Mark Twains's Huckleberry Finn. what is "Jim's" surname?

Brian Rollinson (B Rollinson), Sunday, 5 September 2004 11:19 (twenty years ago)

Watson? His owner was Miss Watson at least.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Sunday, 5 September 2004 11:38 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...
Here's his own thread!

He was guid.

the bellefox, Saturday, 26 November 2005 14:19 (nineteen years ago)

I bought two collections of short and unfinished stories, to have all the other tom sawyer/huckleberry finn stories

have only read "tom sawyer abroad", though. fun OK but a bit boring and not great. maybe it was a joke

I will read the others, one day

RJG (RJG), Saturday, 26 November 2005 14:22 (nineteen years ago)

I remember looking at "tom sawyer, abroad", when we were in borders, once, PF

maybe you remember, too!

RJG (RJG), Saturday, 26 November 2005 14:23 (nineteen years ago)

no, "tom sawyer, detective" was in borders, sorry

RJG (RJG), Saturday, 26 November 2005 14:24 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, I was going to post about the Detective book. I wonder if you have that one, now.

We have at least improved on the previous state of this thread!

the bellefox, Saturday, 26 November 2005 14:25 (nineteen years ago)

haha, only a little

I have it, yes, in one of these collections, along with the "unfinished" "huck finn and tom sawyer among the indians"

it's funny to think about an author's feelings about their most famous creation(s)

RJG (RJG), Saturday, 26 November 2005 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

mark twain totally dissed maryborough, australia real good yo

"Maryborough is a railway station with a town attached"

haha pwned

ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!, Saturday, 26 November 2005 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

Does his description still apply?

I love Tom Sawyer but still have never made it through Huck Finn all the way, despite seeing film versions and so forth. Go figure.

As for his other work, all hail The Innocents Abroad -- well worth finding the collection of original newspaper pieces it's based on.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 26 November 2005 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

Yer missin' out, Ned. Huck Finn is as good as its rep - I read it for the first time earlier this year.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Saturday, 26 November 2005 16:10 (nineteen years ago)

I always bog down about a third of the way in. Been a while since I gave a crack at it, though.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 26 November 2005 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

Did Mark Twain ever write in a thoroughly serious or solemn manner, or does all his work demonstrate the quotable wit that we have all encountered in fragments?

I like the way RJG likes him.

the pinefox, Saturday, 26 November 2005 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

That'd be around the time that they get separated on the wrecked riverboat, I think. I can hardly imagine getting bogged down in that stuff, since I think it's some of the tensest suspense writing I've ever encountered, but hey, strokes and folks.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Saturday, 26 November 2005 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

Huck is a jumble of good and not-as-good episodes. The plot is an effing mess. It's a bunch of rambling funny-biting social commentary on the slavery South as Twain recalled it, hung together like so much laundry hanging on a line. The situations don't resolve so much as dissolve soggily one into the next. What makes it worth reading is Twain's acidic pov.

Aimless (Aimless), Saturday, 26 November 2005 16:26 (nineteen years ago)

I'm unaware of anything he wrote that managed to keep a straight face all the way through.

If anyone ever finds his "collected" writings anywhere, or "Letters From Earth," a compendium of off-hand jottings, serious first drafts that never went anywhere, etc., you should get it; his story about the alarm system he buys for his new house is just staggering and must have just killed the crowd when Twain told it round the dinner table. His unlikely combination of conservatism and practicality -- and his preference for the essay and short form -- remind me both of Thurber and Flann O'Brien, but he's more open-hearted than those two, I think; and also sloppier.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 26 November 2005 20:35 (nineteen years ago)

hmm not that practicality and conservatism are unlikely to ever be joined; I think I was originally going to write "conservatism and open-heartedness" but then I changed it, but not enough

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 26 November 2005 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

The alarm system story is also in the Penguin Classics collection of short stories - I read it a few weeks ago.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 26 November 2005 20:51 (nineteen years ago)

huck finn is classic till the last 30 pages or so - basically everything after "all right then, i'll go to hell." twain couldn't figure out how to end it, so he brought tom sawyer back to save the day. completely unconvincing, but it doesn't ruin the book.

huck's one-line review of pilgrim's progress - "a book about a man who left his family, it didn't say why" - is one of my favorite things ever.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Saturday, 26 November 2005 23:28 (nineteen years ago)

Other favorites: The Prince and the Pauper, A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, Pudd'nhead Wilson, "The Mysterious Stranger," "The Diaries of Adam and Eve"

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 27 November 2005 00:40 (nineteen years ago)

"The Mysterious Stranger" really sort of blew my mind when I was about 12:

"Life itself is only a vision, a dream."

It was electrical. By God! I had had that very thought a thousand times in my musings!

"Nothing exists; all is a dream. God -- man -- the world -- the sun, the moon, the wilderness of stars -- a dream, all a dream; they have no existence. Nothing exists save empty space -- and you!"

"I!"

"And you are not you -- you have no body, no blood, no bones, you are but a thought. I myself have no existence; I am but a dream -- your dream, creature of your imagination. In a moment you will have realized this, then you will banish me from your visions and I shall dissolve into the nothingness out of which you made me....

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 27 November 2005 00:48 (nineteen years ago)

His Fenimore Cooper review alone is enough to make me love Twain.
I've not read much by him aside from a few short stories though. Some day!

Øystein (Øystein), Sunday, 27 November 2005 01:33 (nineteen years ago)

> twain couldn't figure out how to end it, so he brought tom sawyer back to save the day. completely unconvincing, but it doesn't ruin the book.

WTF?! The episode with Tom Sawyer shows how horrible and selfish and spoiled TS truly is, making Jim the pawn of his stupid little games based on stupid books when he knows the whole time (SPOILAR WERNING!) that Jim was freed already. It's hardly a save the day type moment and it's completely in keeping with the satirical and cynical tone of the book.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Sunday, 27 November 2005 01:51 (nineteen years ago)

you might be right, austin, i haven't read the book in a couple of years but i just remember feeling a little pissed off at how abruptly the entire tone and pace seemed to change at that point - maybe twain did do it on purpose but it seemed such a big come-down from huck's huge moral crisis where he has to decide whether or not to betray jim, which i think is one of the 4 or 5 greatest moments in a novel ever. my take on TS the character is the same as yours, tho, so it's possible it was intentional after all.

it's funny that tom sawyer and huck finn are inevitably grouped together since they really have little in common besides featuring the same characters. the former is a mostly affectionate, sentimental reverie about childhood with some funny moments and the latter is a bitterly realistic, unsentimental attack on a corrupt, hypocritical, basically evil society. twain went back to visit his hometown between the writing of the two books and was shocked at how much reality conflicted with his vivid memories of growing up; dealing with that was surely part of the reason it took him 7 years or so to write HF.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 27 November 2005 10:49 (nineteen years ago)

WTF?! The episode with Tom Sawyer shows how horrible and selfish and spoiled TS truly is, making Jim the pawn of his stupid little games based on stupid books when he knows the whole time (SPOILAR WERNING!) that Jim was freed already. It's hardly a save the day type moment and it's completely in keeping with the satirical and cynical tone of the book.

Which would be nice to believe, but it's not really true. Twain didn't really have a clue how to finish the book, and the last few chapters are self-admitted "Will this do?" climax. I don't think Twain intended Jim's entrapment to be satirical, or a comment on Tom's character. I think he just thinks its a good wheeze -- a bit of old-fashioned slapstick to round off the seriousness.

"Puddn'head Wilson", though, is fantastically underread -- possibly the only of his (novel-length) comedies that doesn't compromise it's satirical conceit, as "Huck Finn" does.

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Sunday, 27 November 2005 12:27 (nineteen years ago)

two years pass...

I haven't any right to criticise books, and I don't do it except when I hate them. I often want to criticise Jane Austen, but her books madden me so that I can't conceal my frenzy from the reader; and therefore I have to stop every time I begin. Everytime I read 'Pride and Prejudice' I want to dig her up and beat her over the skull with her own shin-bone.

original dixieland jaas band (Curt1s Stephens), Thursday, 2 October 2008 02:30 (sixteen years ago)

^^^ http://byfiles.storage.live.com/y1pCSbryvw6ox8gIpCxTJOyCTJS4uEntiS5oJdKNuFyozrfkCLIdczygp6a0xwz_UriTtfNLP-bfJg

original dixieland jaas band (Curt1s Stephens), Thursday, 2 October 2008 02:31 (sixteen years ago)

he had some outspoken opinions, that mark twain

100 tons of hardrofl beyond zings (Just got offed), Thursday, 2 October 2008 02:33 (sixteen years ago)

The Mysterious Stranger is scabrous and hot to the touch, a fabulous read. J.D. otm about Tom Sawyer's cameo in HW.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 2 October 2008 02:40 (sixteen years ago)

"1601" is class.

clotpoll, Thursday, 2 October 2008 03:00 (sixteen years ago)

two months pass...

He's got a new essay out.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=98248440

when I wake up I see my self bearfooted (clotpoll), Monday, 15 December 2008 00:12 (sixteen years ago)

three months pass...

lol, when I'm in Austin next week Hal Holbrook is performing Mark Twain Tonight! Pretty sure I'm not going, but how weird wd it be to see the same actor doing solo show 40 years after I saw it on TV?

Past a Diving Jeter (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 22 March 2009 00:08 (sixteen years ago)

one year passes...

this is INSANE

is it real?

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/after-keeping-us-waiting-for-a-century-mark-twain-will-finally-reveal-all-1980695.html

Exactly a century after rumours of his death turned out to be entirely accurate, one of Mark Twain's dying wishes is at last coming true: an extensive, outspoken and revelatory autobiography which he devoted the last decade of his life to writing is finally going to be published.

The creator of Tom Sawyer, Huckleberry Finn and some of the most frequently misquoted catchphrases in the English language left behind 5,000 unedited pages of memoirs when he died in 1910, together with handwritten notes saying that he did not want them to hit bookshops for at least a century.

That milestone has now been reached, and in November the University of California, Berkeley, where the manuscript is in a vault, will release the first volume of Mark Twain's autobiography. The eventual trilogy will run to half a million words, and shed new light on the quintessentially American novelist.

NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Monday, 24 May 2010 17:07 (fifteen years ago)

Holy shit!

frozen cookie (Abbott), Monday, 24 May 2010 17:09 (fifteen years ago)

"By publishing Twain's book in full, we hope that people will be able to come to their own complete conclusions about what sort of a man he was."

Er, maybe what sort of man he was at the end of his life, when he was notoriously bitter. But since I've read about 90% of his published books, I'm pretty sure I'll look into this one, too.

Aimless, Monday, 24 May 2010 17:18 (fifteen years ago)

"Although it is difficult to predict much with confidence from my present and somewhat precarious perch, I am calling it right now: Destruye's Rubies will get a 10.0, 96 years to the date from the very day on which I affix my signature to this page. hen fap or die, Samuel L. C."

in which we apologize for sobering up (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Tuesday, 25 May 2010 02:11 (fifteen years ago)

holy shit - is that real

NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Tuesday, 25 May 2010 02:22 (fifteen years ago)

Yeah, what Aimless said there -- I have a feeling this thing is going to out-bitter Bierce.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 25 May 2010 02:22 (fifteen years ago)

seven months pass...

I only riffled through a copy of the autobio (got it for bro-in-law), but it looks more like "notes on an autobio," no seeming chronological or other structural organization.

Went w/ ian to last day of Morgan Library exhib:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/18/books/18twain.html

also saw 1931 film version of A Connecticut Yankee on TCM last week starring Will Rogers! Haven't read the book yet, but nearly all the scathing social satire seemed excised in favor of pre-Python anachronisma and lariat routines, tho.

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 January 2011 00:38 (fourteen years ago)

Pretty good

Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 January 2011 01:11 (fourteen years ago)

yeah, I read some of the General Grant stuff, pretty labored.

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 January 2011 01:17 (fourteen years ago)

one year passes...

http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/131507

congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 5 July 2012 19:32 (twelve years ago)

one year passes...

The Mysterious Stranger is scabrous and hot to the touch, a fabulous read [...]

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, October 1, 2008 10:40 PM (4 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yup!

Any thoughts on what the definitive version is, though? I just read what I'm assuming is the 1916 publication compiled by Paine (the one set in Austria), but Wiki informs me that it has since been deemed a fraud.

the vineyards where the grapes of corporate rock are stored (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 16:54 (eleven years ago)

one year passes...

Larry Kramer sez he was hella gay

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 23 April 2015 16:24 (ten years ago)

pics or it didn't happen

Giant Purple Wakerobin (Aimless), Thursday, 23 April 2015 16:29 (ten years ago)


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