Arbitrary State Liquor Laws! Outrage!

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I live in California, so the most we suffer is the draconian 2am restriction... but travelling through the South and Midwest, I can only offer one conclusion:

Weird American liquor laws are a MARRIAGE OF CHURCH AND STATE!! What is the signifigance of Sunday except CHURCH!

I don't really have a problem with dry counties (ala Arkansas) but I'm infuriated by Sunday restrictions.

Also: What is up with State liquor stores? If that isn't the most pro-Castro anti-competition monopoly ever! It's pinko.

andy, Thursday, 9 September 2004 15:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Also: What's up with London pubs closing at 11? That's when I put my jacket on to go out!

And Canadian wine stores that only sell Canadian wine?! CANADIAN WINE?

andy, Thursday, 9 September 2004 15:47 (twenty-one years ago)

what's the problem with canadian wine¿

should the canadian wine stores sell bowling shoes aswell¿

dysøn (dyson), Thursday, 9 September 2004 16:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Here in NE Ohio, certain stores are forbidden to sell wine on Sunday but can sell all the beer they want.

lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Thursday, 9 September 2004 16:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I had culture shock going to the grocery store in Chicago and seeing that in addition to wine & beer, they also sell liquor. The grocery stores in VA only carried wine and beer.

n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 9 September 2004 16:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Arkansas does have dry counties and dry Sundays, but it also has private clubs that can stay open until 5 a.m. Christmas Day.

No liquor in the grocery stores, and the only wine available there is Arkansas wine.

The tiny airplane bottles in South Carolina are the zaniest things I've ever heard of.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Thursday, 9 September 2004 16:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Not many grocery stores in Massachusetts carry booze. In fact I can't even think of one in Worcester that does. We do sell booze on Sundays now though.

Velveteen Bingo (Chris V), Thursday, 9 September 2004 16:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I've thought about publishing a small guide to US liquor laws for touring bands... it's completely baffling. It used to be that you could only buy liquor in Oregon on Sundays in "lounges." So that meant if you wanted a shot, you had to go to a Chinese restaurant. I think it might have changed.

andy, Thursday, 9 September 2004 16:36 (twenty-one years ago)

none of you have lived in connecticut huh?

amateur!!st, Thursday, 9 September 2004 16:37 (twenty-one years ago)

And the girls I was trying to get drunk in the midwest and Canada lied when they told me they were 17 when in fact they were all legal! What's up with THAT?

Jerry Seinfeld, Thursday, 9 September 2004 16:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Andy, that would be a great compilation. The chapter on Utah could take up ten pages alone.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Thursday, 9 September 2004 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

my wife is from Ct. the old 8:00pm blue law.

Velveteen Bingo (Chris V), Thursday, 9 September 2004 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Connecticut ownz thread. 8pm close and no liquor on Sundays. Going to college in CT = DUD.

mcd (mcd), Thursday, 9 September 2004 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)

damn xpost

mcd (mcd), Thursday, 9 September 2004 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)

i liked going to school in CT except for that part

is that law saying "more than 7 unmarried women in a residence = brothel" still on the books in the CT?

amateur!!st, Thursday, 9 September 2004 16:42 (twenty-one years ago)

before Massachusetts changed the sunday law, getting booze on a Sunday meant driving to New Hampshire, and this led to the purchase of fireworks. safe!

kephm, Thursday, 9 September 2004 16:43 (twenty-one years ago)

dc = no beer sales in stores after 10pm = all corner stores now close at 10pm

mookieproof (mookieproof), Thursday, 9 September 2004 16:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, actually I enjoyed it too. I was just remembering those occasions driving to Rhode Island to buy beer from the border store.

As far as I know that brothel law is still on the books.

CT also does not have a helmet law for motorcycles, which I find a little odd.

mcd (mcd), Thursday, 9 September 2004 16:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Amateurist Im not sure about that law in Ct, but it still exists in Georgia. Sister in law wasn't allowed to live in a "brothel" while at Emory.

Velveteen Bingo (Chris V), Thursday, 9 September 2004 16:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Oklahoma is pretty rough. Liquor stores close at 9 pm and are closed on Sundays and they are the only place you can buy wine or liquor. but the worst is that the beer you can buy anywhere else can only be 3.2%
Te brothel law exists in Lousiana, too

Magic City (ano ano), Thursday, 9 September 2004 16:47 (twenty-one years ago)

There is indeeed a "Brothel" law on the books in Georgia. Is CT the only place where the liquor stores are called package stores(Packies for short)?

Sengai, Thursday, 9 September 2004 16:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, Lincoln, NE was dry on Sundays, I believe.

Coincidentally, there was a lot of anti-Catholicism there. Whaddaya know....

Kerry (dymaxia), Thursday, 9 September 2004 16:50 (twenty-one years ago)

nope, we call them packies here in Mass. in fact im going to the packie in about 10 minutes.

Velveteen Bingo (Chris V), Thursday, 9 September 2004 16:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Sweet, sweet Nevada, however. One need only cast a glance to the side and there will be tall, frosty glass sliding your way, followed by an ashtray.

andy, Thursday, 9 September 2004 16:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I went to a strip club in Las Vegas that was BYOB! The cab driver brought us to a liquor store where we bought a case of Mickey's. The bouncer asked us to keep the box under the table, to be discreet. And this was like four in the morning.

andy, Thursday, 9 September 2004 16:54 (twenty-one years ago)

mickeys.....mmmm.

Velveteen Bingo (Chris V), Thursday, 9 September 2004 16:55 (twenty-one years ago)

i grew up in the town that was the center of the temperance movement! it is still largely dry.

amateur!!st, Thursday, 9 September 2004 16:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I used to work at a liquor store in Minneapolis that closed at eight during the week, at ten on Fridays and Saturdays, and was closed on Sundays. It made working at a liquor store a bit more tolerable.

Kansas used to have a law forbidding AIRPLANES from serving drinks while over Kansas airspace.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Thursday, 9 September 2004 16:56 (twenty-one years ago)

minnesota has the sunday law.

g--ff (gcannon), Thursday, 9 September 2004 16:56 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost - one of ventura's promises was keeping bars open later which finally got done under pawlenty, but the rationale had to be, publicly, that i would soak more out of business travelers and conventioneers.

g--ff (gcannon), Thursday, 9 September 2004 16:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Kansas used to have a law forbidding AIRPLANES from serving drinks while over Kansas airspace.

god, that's so dumb. one of those completely unenforceable laws that exist only to appease some extremist constituency

amateur!!st, Thursday, 9 September 2004 16:57 (twenty-one years ago)

er "that IT would soak," above. tho i do do my part, i must say

g--ff (gcannon), Thursday, 9 September 2004 16:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Here in Pennsylvania you can only buy wine and spirits from stores owned and operated by the state. If you want beer, you have to go to a "Beer Distributor" and buy an entire case. If you want a six-pack, you must go to a bar. It's fucking primitive.

retort pouch (retort pouch), Thursday, 9 September 2004 16:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I didn't know that Minnesota was that bad. Wisconsin is great - they have a much more 'old world' attitude about drinking. My grandparents had a tavern there, and people would bring their kids along and everything.

am, that wouldn't be Evan$ton, would it. I hate those people.

Kerry (dymaxia), Thursday, 9 September 2004 16:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I have heard of drive-through liquor stores in Louisiana, where you can get a frozen margarita in a plastic cup (with a lid on it-no open containers, remember?). Did I just dream this up?

Sengai, Thursday, 9 September 2004 16:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I dunno about the rest of the state, but if you're walking around the French Quarter in New Orleans, you can get your booze in a to-go cup.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 9 September 2004 17:00 (twenty-one years ago)

see, i think the state-owned liquor thing is pretty cool. it meant, when they had them in iowa, that inventories for every store were determined by whatever booze council in des moines, so every hamlet had a surprisingly ok wine selection, and the shops were like 70s food co-ops, very bare bones, no spuds mckenzie or any of that shit

g--ff (gcannon), Thursday, 9 September 2004 17:01 (twenty-one years ago)

evan$ton yup

what "people"? the WCTU?

amateur!!st, Thursday, 9 September 2004 17:01 (twenty-one years ago)

No that's true. I don't think they have an open container law in Lousiana
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xpost

Magic City (ano ano), Thursday, 9 September 2004 17:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I went to a bar in Mexico that had a height requirement instead of an age requirement. And as the average stature in Mexico is somewhat less than aqui, the line was not so far above the ground.

I don't think kids in Mexico are nearly as fascinated by booze though, as it lack the taboo of the States.

andy, Thursday, 9 September 2004 17:02 (twenty-one years ago)

No, you didn't. God bless Louisiana. It's not just a drive-thru, like a McDonalds, but a barnlike building where you literally drive your car through it. You can get a dill pickle from a jar and a hard-boiled egg while you're in one of those places, too.

A friend of mine went to school at Ole Miss in Oxford, MS. He said that it was illegal to buy beer cold from a store, so they'd always go to the "brew-thru" since the beer would stay cold since the building was somewhat open to the elements.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Thursday, 9 September 2004 17:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I heart Kentucky, where we have bourbon distilleries in dry counties.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 9 September 2004 17:05 (twenty-one years ago)

When my Dad was in high school the drinking age was 21 for guys and 18 for girls.

Magic City (ano ano), Thursday, 9 September 2004 17:06 (twenty-one years ago)

My mom lives in a certain prissy 'dry' town in Illinois. Half the people in her building belong to a certain teetotalling religion. Anyway, the other half are Polish and Italian, and they wanted to have a 1920s-style 'speakeasy' party for Halloween. They agreed to serve orange soda instead of alcohol, but apparently the teetotallers didn't even want people drinking 'fake' alcohol in the common room.

I think they're opposed to bingo, too.

x-post, am - just -all- of those churchy types in Evan$ton who want to regulate and ban every little thing.

Kerry (dymaxia), Thursday, 9 September 2004 17:06 (twenty-one years ago)

for a long time you couldn't get take-out fast-food in Evanston, right?

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 9 September 2004 17:11 (twenty-one years ago)

When I lived there, you had to bag your own food if you went to Burger King or McDonalds. I'm pretty sure it's still that way.

Kerry (dymaxia), Thursday, 9 September 2004 17:13 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, it used to be the case that at certain places you couldn't bad your own food. poor burger king employees had to deal with lots of N students yelling at them as a result.

i don't think that's true any more.

i don't know many churchy types, but i really only lived here for 5 years before i was off to college so my knowledge of evan$ton is not exhaustive.

amateur!!st, Thursday, 9 September 2004 17:15 (twenty-one years ago)

One odd fact I learned about Catalina Island is that one of the beaches there is the only "open container allowed" beach in the state.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 9 September 2004 17:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I fucking love Catalina. They use golf carts for cars! "26 miles across the sea..."

andy, Thursday, 9 September 2004 17:19 (twenty-one years ago)

weird tangent - one time in that BK in Evanston I heard the muzak version of Nick Drake's "Northern Sky."

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 9 September 2004 17:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Pardon me, but what the hell are you Evanston people talking about? You couldn't get food to go at Burger King? Do wha?

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Thursday, 9 September 2004 17:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Andy, that would be a great compilation. The chapter on Utah could take up ten pages alone.

Except in heathenly Park City.

Finding drive-thru liquor stores (serving "go cups") in rural areas in Tennessee, Mississippi and Kentucky is not uncommon.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 9 September 2004 17:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay, I'm being euphemistic. They're snotty WASPs.

Pleasant - I believe Evanston passed an ordinance prohibiting the 'bagging of food' to discourage fast food places from opening. So the fast food places got around that by bagging their own food.

Kerry (dymaxia), Thursday, 9 September 2004 17:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey, at least you guys don't have ALL liquor -- beer, wine, hard stuff, etc. -- controlled by provincial stores that all close no later than 9pm EVERY DAY.

When marijuana becomes legal, will there be provincial pot stores? Will they all have boring plain-font marquees in green lettering and white background that just said "WEED STORE"?

I Canadian, Thursday, 9 September 2004 17:23 (twenty-one years ago)

(EVERY DAY does not include Sunday, by the way)

I Canadian, Thursday, 9 September 2004 17:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Connecticutians, come to Britain and ask for the nearest "packie". You'll get an interesting response!

(our licensing laws are very civilised. Means you can get the last train home without forgetting the time while sitting catatonic in the pub)

Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 9 September 2004 17:24 (twenty-one years ago)

never heard of or seen a "go cup" anywhere in Kentucky, but there's a great liquor store in my parents' neighborhood in Louisville that has a to-go window for sixers and bottles (no open containers).

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 9 September 2004 17:24 (twenty-one years ago)


THERE ARE NUMEROUS CLASSES OF UTAH LIQUOR LICENSES:
TAVERNS, or BEER BARS  These establishments may sell beer no stronger than 3.2% by weight. They need not serve food.

AIRPORT LOUNGES  Can serve beer, wine and mixed drinks with or without food. There are only a very few of these. They are all located at the Salt Lake International Airport and are intended to give visitors a warm first impression.

BREW PUBS  Serves beer which was brewed on premises. There are some of these in the state.

RESTAURANTS  With the proper license, alcoholic beverages may be served with meals. Liquor bottles must be hidden from view. Servers are not allowed to solicit or suggest drinks. Patrons must request a wine list or drink menu. If a restaurant derives more than 30% of its profit from alcoholic beverage sales it can lose its license.

PRIVATE CLUBS  Beer, wine and mixed drinks may be consumed in non-exclusive private clubs between 10 AM and 1 AM. These clubs by law must be non-profit organizations, must charge a membership fee and are barred from advertising to boost membership..

3.2% beer can be purchased in grocery and convenience stores subject to local ordinances.

RESORTS & CONVENTION CENTERS   The regulations and laws in this area are confusing, complex and befuddling, sometimes requiring multiple licenses and permits.

Excerpt from the Ogden Standard Examiner - October 31, 1999
Proposed legislation creating a "Banquet" license designed to alleviate the Resort and Convention Center problem is now before the Utah State Legislature.
Cap Ferry, former State Senate President and author of the bill said he is still waiting for comments from the LDS Church.
"If they say 'No', it's dead." , Ferry said.
He added that he hopes LDS Church officials will give their position on the proposed license before the Legislature starts in January.   " We don't want to put in a lot of work only to have it killed an the last day."

UTAH STATE-OWNED LIQUOR STORES are the sole dispensers of carry-out liquor, wine and real beer. There are a number of these stores hidden throughout the state. They are closed on Sundays, holidays and other designated times.  Lack of competition keeps the selection severely limited. Prices for wine and liquor are fixed with a minimum of 61% mark-up over cost, plus high state taxes. For real beer, the mark-up is 75% plus taxes, making the retail cost of some six-packs well over $10. Because of all this, the small community of Evanston, Wyoming (located about 70 miles east of Salt Lake City just over the Utah border) enjoys a bustling economy based on a large number of retail liquor stores located along Interstate 80.

andy, Thursday, 9 September 2004 17:26 (twenty-one years ago)

some resorts in Utah have private clubs. At least Sundance did. The state-owned liquor stores seemed okay though, my cousin got a nice supply of booze for the weekend I spent there last summer.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 9 September 2004 17:28 (twenty-one years ago)

since he was paying for the wedding (and he's rich - building a home outside of Park City right now), he didn't care about the markup. And he loves his Pappy Van Winkle.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 9 September 2004 17:28 (twenty-one years ago)

never heard of or seen a "go cup" anywhere in Kentucky, but there's a great liquor store in my parents' neighborhood in Louisville that has a to-go window for sixers and bottles (no open containers).

well, i personally partook of ones in Franklin and Hebron KY (god forbid you ever have to go to either).

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 9 September 2004 17:29 (twenty-one years ago)

The Sunday booze legislation here = no sales in stores, but restaurants and pubs that serve food can sell booze until 11 pm. This is somewhat frustrating on the home front, but it encourages me to go out at least once a week, in that there's at least one day of the week I HAVE TO go out if I want a drink.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 9 September 2004 17:31 (twenty-one years ago)

weird gygax!, no I've never been to either Franklin or Hebron - does the latter count as rural? It's so close to the Cincy airport. I had an awesome great uncle, now deceased, known as "Pug" (his wife was known as "Tater") who had a great bar on the outskirts of Maysville.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 9 September 2004 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)

We have that dumb 3.2% beer shit in the grocery stores here.. except for.. TARGET? I dunno why they are exempt and can sell spirits.

Towelette Pettatucci (Homosexual II), Thursday, 9 September 2004 17:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Gygax, where did you see "go-cup" liquor in Mississippi?

Hahaha, Pleasant Plains describes the Rebel Barn in Oxford. I went there once, but their prices were a good big higher than other stores, and they're only useful during really cold months.

Mississippi is totally miserable re: beer and liquor laws. I miss California terribly a couple of times a week when I think about it. I go to West Memphis, Arkansas, every four to six weeks to stock up from Walgreen's decent (for the region) selection of beers. I could get my Sierra Nevada in Memphis, but I save a couple of bucks per six pack and can find some other goodies while I'm there. After discovering the beauty of Lagavulin last year in Boston and seeing what it cost by the bottle in Arkansas, I checked with a liquor store in Memphis and it's not even available for Tennessee liquor stores to order.

Andy, that would be a great guide. I'd buy multiple copies. (Extras would go to my state legislators with appropriate insults written on them.)

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 9 September 2004 17:55 (twenty-one years ago)

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Booza-bego.com, Thursday, 9 September 2004 18:51 (twenty-one years ago)

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nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 9 September 2004 18:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I used to be a wine telemarketer.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 9 September 2004 18:58 (twenty-one years ago)

We had beer delivered in Nottingham once at 1am. It was little tiny bottles of 3.2% and you had to drink about 16 or so to feel the jingle.

andy, Thursday, 9 September 2004 19:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't laugh about Boozabego - when I was in college (in Evan$ton), there was a place like that in Chicago that catered to thirsty underage students.

Kerry (dymaxia), Thursday, 9 September 2004 19:39 (twenty-one years ago)

The Constitutional amendment that repealed Prohibition granted the states the right to regulate alcohol sales. The states in turn often devolve that authority to the county or other local level. The laws that result may be outrageous, but they are not arbitrary. Rather, they reflect who had the political upper hand.

j.lu (j.lu), Thursday, 9 September 2004 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)

They may not be arbitrary, but they can be just as counterproductive as prohibition was, ie young people in dry counties making moonshine or having to drive an hour to get trashed and then drive back.

oops (Oops), Thursday, 9 September 2004 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Most counties in Arkansas went dry during the 1940's while the menfolk who would've voted to stay wet were at war.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Thursday, 9 September 2004 20:12 (twenty-one years ago)

the english (and welsh) licensing laws (scotland is different), are at least predictable in the most.

on licenses (ie what normal people call pubs or bars) can serve any the heck alcohol they want from 11am to 11pm, 12 til 10.30 on a sunday, although some have special licenses to stay open until 2 or 3 at the latest, although these are usually nightclubs.

off licenses (just booze shops and also grocers and supermarkets) can also sell what they want. i'm not sure if there is a time after which they're not allowed to sell bouze...

the reason the norm is to close at 11 is due to munition workers during the first world war staying out all night getting pissed and then blowing themselves up the next day.

there has been constant talk of 24 hour opening (or, at least opening when you want) for donkey's years, but, much like the ban on hunting, i don't hold out much hope of it happening any time soon...

CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Thursday, 9 September 2004 20:25 (twenty-one years ago)

So, what do British people do after 11?

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 9 September 2004 20:28 (twenty-one years ago)

go home usually, this is why we start drinking at 5, straight after work ;)

we do have to make munitions in the morning you know :)

CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Thursday, 9 September 2004 20:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I've always pondered at Brits already sloshed at like 7pm... That's when Spaniards are just rising for an omelet...

andy, Thursday, 9 September 2004 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

one of ventura's promises was keeping bars open later which finally got done under pawlenty, but the rationale had to be, publicly, that i would soak more out of business travelers and conventioneers.

This is tru, but its still dependent on the city to extend the hours for bars. So where I live the bars shut down at 1 (actually its usually more like 1:45).

We also have a municipal liquor store and everything costs about 2 dollars more than anywhere else. Plus the beer selection sucks and the fridges run really warm. bitch bitch bitch.

artdamages (artdamages), Thursday, 9 September 2004 21:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah, Australia. Land of the boozehound. We have drive-through bottle shops here, you can buy anything at them (beer, wine, spirits). Booze is also easily bought at bottle shops usually attached to a supermarket, though most close by 10 or 11 when the pub does. There is a 24 hour bottle shop in the next suburb over from me.

Its grate!

Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 9 September 2004 22:13 (twenty-one years ago)

if you sell beer in a grocery store in philadelphia you have to provide seating and food. when i worked at the foodery there we had an old ham in the deli case and some wilted lettuce lying around. i was always surprised when someone ordered a sandwich! and we had four chairs in the back room in case anyone asked. you also aren't supposed to sell beer before 11 a.m. on sundays in grocery stores there. Getting a license to sell beer is next to impossible too. you need a good lawyer and about 50,000 bucks. which is why you will hardly ever see a "new" corner store open up. Just old ones changing hands.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 9 September 2004 22:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I remember going to a restaurant in Maine that didn't serve alcohol. They told us we could bring our own, though.

I live less than a mile from a duty-free store in Quebec. I'm on the US side of the border. Smokes and booze are all (read my lips)100% tax free. There is a drawback, at least with cigarettes: Camels (there) do not taste like Camels (here).

jim wentworth (wench), Friday, 10 September 2004 01:46 (twenty-one years ago)

but why smoke Camels when you can get...

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hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 10 September 2004 01:49 (twenty-one years ago)

damn image thing:

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hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 10 September 2004 01:49 (twenty-one years ago)

You can't even sell wine in my hometown. Instead, there are liquor stores five feet off the city limits on every traffic artery, pumping sales tax to other places. But they don't have a problem selling booze at bars and Rangers games.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 10 September 2004 02:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Texas. Those fucking i-cards.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 10 September 2004 04:08 (twenty-one years ago)

In the mid-'80s when all the states were 'encouraged' to set drinking ages at 21 (or lose their highway funding) Wisconsin, home of beer, invited the federal government to fuck off and it remained at 18 or 19.

suzy (suzy), Friday, 10 September 2004 05:54 (twenty-one years ago)

An adjunct to what steve says. Restaurants can sell booze at anytime with food. 14 year olds and over can have beer wine or cider with food. Hotel bars and private clubs are exempt from closing times. (the upper classes don't have to make munitions)

Ed (dali), Friday, 10 September 2004 07:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Steve, small grocers etc. have to stop serving at 11pm too. I'm surprised you didn't explain the institution that is the "lock-in".

Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 10 September 2004 08:52 (twenty-one years ago)

ALSO, rather sweetly and fairly, pub landlords ring a bell at 10.45pm to make sure you don't let 11pm come and go without replenishing your pint. But when the bell rings again at 11pm, that's it, all over.

Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 10 September 2004 08:54 (twenty-one years ago)

...and kickout time is somewhere between 11.20 and 11.30, depending on what form of 'bar time' your landlord practices.

Least favourite time to be on public transport: 11.45.

suzy (suzy), Friday, 10 September 2004 08:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Amen to that.

Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 10 September 2004 09:04 (twenty-one years ago)

In the public bars of Arkansas, all drinks must be off the table by one. In places that follow the law by the letter, this means that you see bartenders and bouncers gathering all the pint-glasses and mugs, usually with some drunk trying to get two or three more swallows out of his half-full beer before having to hand it over.

Silly behavior caused by silly laws caused by silly behavior. Whaddya gonna do?

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 10 September 2004 13:17 (twenty-one years ago)

ALSO, rather sweetly and fairly, pub landlords ring a bell at 10.45pm to make sure you don't let 11pm come and go without replenishing your pint. But when the bell rings again at 11pm, that's it, all over.

Dude, just like in that "Sussudio" video right?

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 10 September 2004 13:19 (twenty-one years ago)

In the mid-'80s when all the states were 'encouraged' to set drinking ages at 21 (or lose their highway funding) Wisconsin, home of beer, invited the federal government to fuck off and it remained at 18 or 19.

This is why my high-school was a closed campus, i.e. we couldn't leave for lunch or anything else without a pass. The seniors back in the day would apparently go to bars during lunch and come back trashed, and school policy was never changed after the drinking age was moved up (although I'm pretty sure we had at least one 21 yr old senior).

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 10 September 2004 13:33 (twenty-one years ago)

(xpost waaaay back)

Louisiana does indeed have open-container laws. The drive-through daiquiri places observe them by asking which drink is for the driver, then loosely placing a square of scotch tape over the end of the straw. Civilization.

BTW, the "daiquiris" don't bear much resemblance to the real thing--they're great sloshing styrofoam buckets of everclear and corn syrup, with a dash of what smells like Hawaiian Tropic added for that island flavor. Expertly concocted to appeal to the teenage palate, but a little rough on the way back up.

Stephen X (Stephen X), Friday, 10 September 2004 14:35 (twenty-one years ago)

God I want a daiquiri. I think I will get one on my way home from work. I will have a 32oz banana whatever with two extra shots. This thought will keep me going until 5. I love New Orleans sometimes.

After 5 years in Louisiana I can't even remember what it was like to deal with draconian liquor laws elsewhere. I walk my dog with a beer, I go to the Circle K to buy smokes with a beer, every pre-school and convent sells liquor, etc. Love.

adam (adam), Friday, 10 September 2004 15:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I second the love. Stopping to buy pina colada daiquiri in a gallon milk jug = classic.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 10 September 2004 15:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah, walking your dog with a beer. That does sound nice.

Going to a bar and finding to-go cups. That's nice, too.

Shame that the whole town smells like pee.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 10 September 2004 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

It's more of a festering garbage/refinery/pee smell, really. Very robust. Also sometimes it's rotting magnolia reek. This is both good and bad.

adam (adam), Friday, 10 September 2004 15:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I agree. If I really didn't like it so much, I probably wouldn't go down there three times a year.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 10 September 2004 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)


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