This is the thread where we appreciate '24' (now with season four SPOILERS!)

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I missed this show when it was on despite ringing endorsements from pals (who, it should be noted, mentioned a serious decline / dumbing down in the second season - true?) but The Woman and I just rented the series on DVD and we stayed up watching the first four hours last night. Totally hooked! Can it possibly get better? Does / did anyone love this show? No spoilers please!

A perfect time to not have cable.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Friday, 10 September 2004 12:13 (twenty-one years ago)

which series are you watching? it's going to be difficuly appreciating the programme without spoilers. there are other threads however.

the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Friday, 10 September 2004 12:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I absolutely love this show. We've just finished watching series 2 on dvd. I much prefer to watch it this way as I can never wait a whole week for the next episode. You have to do robotic dancing to the beeps though, i think it's the law!! All I can say is, 'Kim, why the f@#k are you so dumb, oh & you have terrible luck girl!'

PinXor (Pinkpanther), Friday, 10 September 2004 12:18 (twenty-one years ago)

24 is amazing. I personally like the second season best, but that might be because it was the first one I saw. The third takes a while to warm up, but there are a couple of scenes in the second half which just knocked the wind out of me. People who accuse it of dumbing down are ignoring the fact it was pretty silly to begin with.

By the way, the mole is...

Wooden (Wooden), Friday, 10 September 2004 12:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I have seen about the first 3 episodes of the 3rd one & i quite liked it actually. Just gotta wait for a friend to buy the 3rd series so that we can borrow it!!

PinXor (Pinkpanther), Friday, 10 September 2004 12:23 (twenty-one years ago)

i think each series has it's equal share of OMGWTF moments both serious and silly. Season 2 has the best ending imo. I bought the first series on DVD as soon as it came out but have barely watched it again so might flog it.

the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Friday, 10 September 2004 12:32 (twenty-one years ago)

dumbest character on the show not Kim but Sherry: FFS's woman, you know this man since childhood, surely a master manipulator such as yourself could eventually pick up on the fact that Palmer is a lot easier to convince using ideological arguments than by doing the same "but think about your career!" dance over and over again?

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 10 September 2004 12:37 (twenty-one years ago)

By the way, does anyone know if there's any truth in the rumour that season four's going to be set in London?

VERY MINOR SPOILERS - SPOILERETTES, REALLY
If it is we might have a British character who isn't a) evil or b) dead within half an hour.

Wooden (Wooden), Friday, 10 September 2004 12:39 (twenty-one years ago)

24 is awesome. I had my doubts, I even watched the first episode of the first series and dismissed it as rubbish. Until, that is, I borrowed the whole first series and watched it in about a week. the second and third series are both good, though Kim's character is entirely unnecessary for the show. I don't know which series I liked the best though, as the 3rd series IS good, but takes about 12 episodes to really get going.

Craig Gilchrist, Friday, 10 September 2004 12:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Kim's entire purpose in season three was basically to have an annoying fringe.

Wooden (Wooden), Friday, 10 September 2004 12:42 (twenty-one years ago)

stevem otm tho - this show relies so much on the "WHOA DIDN'T SEE THAT COMING!!" factor that a spoilerless discussion won't go anywhere, and a spoiler-heavy one will piss ppl off that haven't seen all of it yet (they're showing 2nd season ovah heah); only way I could see to get around this would be to have one thread for every season...

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 10 September 2004 12:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Where is 'ovah heah' that you're only on the 2nd series?

Craig Gilchrist, Friday, 10 September 2004 12:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I love that little twist that you have at the end of each episode so that it can keep going.

PinXor (Pinkpanther), Friday, 10 September 2004 13:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Arrgggh!! So hard to resist spoilers.

Wooden (Wooden), Friday, 10 September 2004 13:15 (twenty-one years ago)

My hope for series 4: Jack turns out to have been working for the baddies all along.

Alba (Alba), Friday, 10 September 2004 13:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I hope that the Couger comes back and eats Kim.

Wooden (Wooden), Friday, 10 September 2004 13:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Emilio Estevez finally makes his long-awaited (by me) cameo, along with Alex Winter (bodalicious assassin) and the girl who played Katie Landers in Neighbours who could well be totally hot these days.

the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Friday, 10 September 2004 13:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Kim should become a White House intern.

Alba (Alba), Friday, 10 September 2004 13:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Hm, you'd think she could be useful somehow as CTU spend most of their time chasing after her, hm, i wonder!!!

PinXor (Pinkpanther), Friday, 10 September 2004 13:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Kim should just take Jacks job.

Craig Gilchrist, Friday, 10 September 2004 13:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Jack should be given a choice of cutting Kim's head off and feeding it to cougars or blowing up the universe.

Alba (Alba), Friday, 10 September 2004 13:32 (twenty-one years ago)

But Jack would just find a way around blowing up the universe. He's awesome like that.

Craig Gilchrist, Friday, 10 September 2004 13:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Where is 'ovah heah' that you're only on the 2nd series?

Portugal. We've gone through four seasons of "Buffy" by now you know.

I love that little twist that you have at the end of each episode so that it can keep going.

I've noticed that this has broken down pretty badly in the 2nd season; Jack going "this is far from over!" and someone shooting someone that it was very clear they were going to off ain't exactly in the same league as the final plot twists in the first season (including its last episode!)

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 10 September 2004 14:04 (twenty-one years ago)

But can you really watch these series more than once?

PinXor (Pinkpanther), Friday, 10 September 2004 14:05 (twenty-one years ago)

My mum gave me season one on DVD for my birthday, which I missed when it was on the BBC. I've only watched it once, and have no particular desire to again. Good for introducing the programe to friends, though.

Wooden (Wooden), Friday, 10 September 2004 14:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Very handy! I'm sure you could hire it out. I'd be loathed to buy it as it's quite expensive, then I doubt i'd watch it again.

PinXor (Pinkpanther), Friday, 10 September 2004 14:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think you'd be loathed.

Alba (Alba), Friday, 10 September 2004 14:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Thank you for your contribution.

PinXor (Pinkpanther), Friday, 10 September 2004 14:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I have all 3 series, and I started to watch series 1 for the first time since buying it a couple of months ago and I really got back into it. But the WAS about 2 years after watching it the first time. Mostly a waste of money. But maybe I'll watch it again when i'm senile.

Craig Gilchrist, Friday, 10 September 2004 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

the first half of season 1- very, very good. the second half of season 1 spiralled downwards in quality alarmingly quickly until i was praying that the end would come, but unwilling to stop watching after having invested 20 hours or more on it.

season 2- watched the first 5 or 6 hours before realising that the only character i enjoyed was jack. the others were just plain annoying. even kim's beauty couldn't make me watch the rest.

Officer Pupp, Sunday, 12 September 2004 12:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I've got Season 1 on DVD, and I keep thinking I will watch it again now that I know how it ends to see if I can spot the point where the writers decided who the mole was going to be, because I'm sure there are actions taken earlier on which don't make sense when you view the bigger picture (I watched it when it was on BBC2 at the time, and haven't seen it since).

But I haven't.

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 12 September 2004 12:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I love that little twist that you have at the end of each episode so that it can keep going.

TV show in tune-in-next-week shockah!

It's just like the EastEnders drum roll, but with bullets and bombs and cougars and stuff instead of Dirty Den's grumpy face.

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 12 September 2004 12:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Season 3 was dire in the middle but it's still an excellent show just off the first two seasons. I think it's kind of funny how they use a silent clock for poignant moments.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Sunday, 12 September 2004 14:18 (twenty-one years ago)

season 1 is totally tv crack, actually they all are really. but i think the show is really a case of diminishing returns (the b plot in s2 is so weak)

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 12 September 2004 15:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I really like how palmer's storyline in season two tied in to the main plot in the second half.

Wooden (Wooden), Sunday, 12 September 2004 15:45 (twenty-one years ago)

TV show in tune-in-next-week shockah!
What I meant was that it always seems that the prog could end right then & there & always introduce something (usually ridiculous twist) like Kim getting kidnapped AGAIN!

PinXor (Pinkpanther), Monday, 13 September 2004 08:32 (twenty-one years ago)

For you fans of both 24 and the Go-Betweens .. From the Go-Betweens mailing list:

"If there are any fans of the show "24" out there, I'm
honoring Robert and Grant with a little namecheck on
what will be episode six of season 4, which should air
in February of 2005. Little tribute, 'nuff said." [E.K.]

dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 13 September 2004 10:32 (twenty-one years ago)

wtf?

PinXor (Pinkpanther), Monday, 13 September 2004 10:33 (twenty-one years ago)

My guess - celebrity terrorist says "Don't you know Jack, I'm a star!". Jack then gets hit by twin layers of lightning.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 13 September 2004 11:22 (twenty-one years ago)

"Agents McClennan and Forster will be the go-betweens on this mission"

dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 13 September 2004 11:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Ooh - I like it.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 13 September 2004 11:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Season one was by far the best season. Bauer explained and used neat tricks to get information out of people which you felt could be straight out of the CIA playbook. The Season two really let itself down with lame dialogue and Star Trek-ish 'use-whatever-technology-to-get-the-characters-out-of-sticky-situations'.

Season three was better than two because it has some of the best twists the series has ever done. The whole thing from the very first episode just documents Jack Bauer's descent from a happy, successful family man into a bumbling, clueless idiot who's been let down by his colleagues and daughter. I like it for that.

I have great hopes for season four, even if they're bringing back some of the lamest characters and still setting the show in LA, even though they'd promised not to. Also, rumours are that this'll be the last season. Which is probably a good thing.

http://img37.exs.cx/img37/3491/Season4.jpg

James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Monday, 13 September 2004 11:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Skidmore's in it!

Alba (Alba), Monday, 13 September 2004 11:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Season three was better than two because it has some of the best twists the series has ever done.

Whatever.

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 22:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I just saw the first DVD last night. I avoided the show initially on principle because I kind of loathe Kiefer Sutherland, but the delicious gimmickyness and momentum totally distracted me from my dislike.

I think I'll go rent the next five DVDs or so tonight.

I love it, in the way I love hyperkinetic anime or dating people I know are bad for me. Delicious!

Laura E (laurae55), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 01:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I agree about the Kiefer thing. I don't like him either but he's pretty perfect for the role. Do you think he was responsible for getting Lou Diamond the role of DeSalvo becuz of the Young Guns connection?

The only one who was miscast was that dumbass daughter. She sucks

roger adultery (roger adultery), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 01:52 (twenty-one years ago)

the second half of the third season beats season two for me, but the first half of the third season blew. I have high hopes for four.

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 03:48 (twenty-one years ago)

How can you not like Kiefer?

PinXor (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 13:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, he's so sensative. He shoots like a hundred people then goes and has a bit of a cry about it.

Wooden (Wooden), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:03 (twenty-one years ago)

It's not real life you know?!!

PinXor (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Teaser for season 6, huh? I missed that.

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 16:35 (twenty years ago)

I meant 5.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 19:36 (twenty years ago)

What 'appened in it?

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 19:45 (twenty years ago)

nothing.

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 20:27 (twenty years ago)

I'm still pissed off that when the Chinese asked if the US government was involved in the snatch, they didn't say .. "You know .. it was probably this guy Marwan who did it. He knows we're after that guy as an informant. It only makes sense." That whole Chinese plot pissed me off.

Also, intercepting a nuclear missile at the last minute and it doesn't even go kaBLAM = dud.

diedre mousedropping and a quarter (Dave225), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 11:07 (twenty years ago)

yeah there were some disappointing things in this: the missle destruciton was totally anticlimactic and unbelivable ("oh there it is, yeah we can shoot it out of the sky with no problem; there, all taken care of") and I don't buy for a second that the chinese dudes were able to find that agent in the time frame they did.
I predict we won't have jack bauer until the last half or maybe even the last quarter of next season.

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 20:43 (twenty years ago)

also, mia kershner is so hot I want to die

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 20:44 (twenty years ago)

like Jennifer Connelly's even hotter, dirtier younger sister.

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

She makes a good Nina.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 22:27 (twenty years ago)

I have to say, I there weren't nearly as many "WTF" moments this season as I remember from the others. The show's signature used to be yanking the rug out from under your expectations. It's turned into much more of a procedural slog.

And I'm surprised how bored I got by Tony Almeida.

Edgar and Chloe were magnificent, though, probably the best supporting characters the show's ever had.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 26 May 2005 19:16 (twenty years ago)

It's funny, when you think about who could feasibly carry his or her OWN show, on the strength of their acting/character alone, it's not Tony. It's not Michelle, nor Curtis, nor Audrey. Just possibly Buchanan, but probably not. It's Edgar and Chloe. It's extremely easy to imagine a show that turns around Edgar. Ditto Chloe.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 26 May 2005 19:18 (twenty years ago)

So who's back next year? I think we've closed the book on Tony and Michelle, most likely. David Palmer, probably done. I reckon Chloe, Edgar, Buchanan, and Curtis are the ones who will return.

one thing:

BEHROOZ, WHERE DID YOU VANISH TO? Curtis seemed to forget his "promise" to him pretty quickly.

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Thursday, 26 May 2005 20:16 (twenty years ago)

JACK CLOWNS BUBBLEGUM


(i can never find this thread ever...so i'm typing this so i can find it easily in the search...ignore it)

Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Thursday, 26 May 2005 20:33 (twenty years ago)

The Chinese embassy subplot did indeed suck. It was the golden opportunity to at least acknowledge the central moral question of this season: is torturing people the way to go? Is it smart? Does it work? Does it cause more problems than it solves? And crucially, if we do it to them, they will do it to us. 24 just sidestepped it. I was waiting for some kind of comeuppance, some kind of acknowledgement, and I thought having the CTU agent in Chinese hands, interrogation lights shining hotly upon his head, would provoke something akin to Palmer's admonishment at the end of season whatever it was when his VP betrayed him, and he warned everyone about rushing to war based on shaky intelligence. But nothing. Porno analyst: tasered in neck, then fired, both for NO reason AT ALL!? and no one pays a price?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 26 May 2005 21:00 (twenty years ago)

I'm glad to see I am not the only one to think she was porny

they should bring her back!

I liked this season a lot, on the whole; it was the best since the first one, certainly. The second half of it seems very very removed from the first half; I guess this is usually how it goes.

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 26 May 2005 21:30 (twenty years ago)

Now I've Seen It All Dept: The Naked Mandy-Adbusters-Team Up

Phoebe Gloeckner describes recent research for an upcoming project in an update to her website: "November 2003: Phoebe spent two weeks in Mexico researching a story for a big book that will benefit Amnesty International. Cartoonist and journalist Joe Sacco is also involved and traveled to Russia to research his story. The professionals at AdBusters Magazine are designing the book, which is the brainchild of activist Mia Kirshner

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Monday, 30 May 2005 19:30 (twenty years ago)

three months pass...
americans: a&e is doing a marathon of this right now, they're on the second episode.

teeny (teeny), Sunday, 4 September 2005 22:21 (twenty years ago)

I want a piece of paper signed by the preznit, too.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 17:24 (twenty years ago)

three weeks pass...
Abc is showing Season 1: Ep. 1 of 24 right now (Sunday @ Midnight.) I don't know if this will be a regular syndication thing.

Grr, still 4 months until the 4 hour season 5 premiere.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Monday, 3 October 2005 03:39 (twenty years ago)

So, series 4, was it any good?

chap who would dare to kill all the threads (chap), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:08 (twenty years ago)

Worst of the four, by far, I think.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:10 (twenty years ago)

yes thoroughly agree with you alba, i thought it was going to pick up at about the 9m-10pm mark but it all just fell apart again soon after.

Ste (Fuzzy), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:16 (twenty years ago)

I was away for it, but series 3 didn't do much for me anyway.

chap who would dare to kill all the threads (chap), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:22 (twenty years ago)

Repetitive, ridiculous use of torture as a plot device was my main complaint, I think.

Generally, the tone went a bit too fascist for my liking, too.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:24 (twenty years ago)

I liked 4 a lot, though it was the one that suffered fromt he worst "aha, this is our real plan" nonsense. It had a decent bad guy which helped (season 3's was just a bit too mad genius) and Jack's personal rumblings were okay. It should have ended with him in prison in China though, a "Rescue Jack" season 5 could have been great.

Pete (Pete), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:30 (twenty years ago)

the tone went a bit too fascist

but isnt that like saying there was too much drinking in the last season of deadwood? (i agree about the torturing, that was way over the top, but i ll take half a dozen torture scenes over kim bauer in puma peril any day)

one eye white, one eye black (FE7), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:35 (twenty years ago)

chloe saved it a little, but they even over did her for a lot of it.

o god the torture plots were ridiculous weren't they?

Ste (Fuzzy), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:37 (twenty years ago)

I think series 1-3 wrestled with moral issues of leadership and even torture whereas with season 4 it was like "tough Jack against all the wet liberals letting the terrorists win" was the only dynamic.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:42 (twenty years ago)

i like how if it's one of Jacks family members in trub he uses "let me break all the rules of the CTU and risk everything to save my family, it's what HAS to be done"
whereas if it's somebody elses family he uses "we have to let them die otherwise the country will suffer, it's what HAS to be done"

Ste (Fuzzy), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:48 (twenty years ago)

I'm starting to go back to my original idea that this show would have been better if after the first year, they kept the premise of 24 hours in real time, but changed the characters and their occupations to something new. Like 24 hours on the job with astronauts, or ... night-anglers.

when something smacks of something (dave225.3), Monday, 3 October 2005 14:07 (twenty years ago)

Or they could ditch the realtime conceit and just do a show about Jack Bauer and CTU. I mean, how many cases can he have that last exactly 24 hours?

chap who would dare to kill all the threads (chap), Monday, 3 October 2005 14:16 (twenty years ago)

Season 3 was by far the worst. The stakes were mroe interesting in 4, and torture aside, the storytelling was better. As uninteresting as Audrey is, Claudia was far less of an empathy factor.

And why are you limeys coming onto this thread for?

Leeeeeeeee (Leee), Monday, 3 October 2005 21:11 (twenty years ago)

No it wasn't! Oh we've attempted to melt down every nuclear reactor in the country as a cover for, er, one wee bomb. Surely it would have been more devastating just to have melted all the reactors?

Also the Tony/Michelle romance was shit x 1000, and the ludicrous convolution of storylines to get all the old characters that weren't Kim/dead back in again was laughable.

I read a while back on imdb.com about a new character of Ryan Chapelle Jr in season 5, but that seems to have been one of their "jokes". Though in 24-land, anything is possible.

ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 3 October 2005 21:25 (twenty years ago)

This is fantastic.

James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Monday, 3 October 2005 21:34 (twenty years ago)

three weeks pass...
First trailer for Season 5!

http://www.24la.net/videos/teaser1season5.wmv

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 27 October 2005 01:33 (twenty years ago)

I was going to post that. There's some screenshots from it too.

It almost looks like it might be good.

James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Thursday, 27 October 2005 12:27 (twenty years ago)

impossible to tell really

Ste (Fuzzy), Thursday, 27 October 2005 12:31 (twenty years ago)

Anyone notice "Prison Break" now has the same type of monologue intro as Season 1 of 24 had? Fox clearly know who their target audience is.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 27 October 2005 21:34 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
Someone in 24 spoilerland posted the 10 minute season 5 prequel which is going to be on the Season 4 DVD (out tomorrow.)

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 02:50 (twenty years ago)

cheers!

I liked how Jack's TOYOTA completely outperformed the bad guy's BMW.

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 15:02 (twenty years ago)

Jack's toyota runs on the ground-up bones of suspected terrorists.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:00 (twenty years ago)

The mullet is fantastic.

I predict that this will be the dumbest season of '24' yet. Not quite as low as 'JAG', but at least it'll be fun.

James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Saturday, 10 December 2005 01:22 (twenty years ago)

Weird, I think this could actually be the first season that is not a diminishing return of the previous one.

(although Season 4, the weakest season yet, was the season that made me a fan)

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Saturday, 10 December 2005 04:46 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
Ok, less than a week to go now. And we're getting treated to a double episode on Sunday and a double episode on Monday! FOUR HOURS.

This is going to be great.

Craig Gilchrist (Craig Gilchrist), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 12:54 (nineteen years ago)

I wouldn't let him write an article for the TV column again!

Craig Gilchrist (Craig Gilchrist), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 13:41 (nineteen years ago)

teh funny:
http://www.wereallgladhere.com/24.html

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 05:58 (nineteen years ago)

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/6528/jack9bi.jpg

James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 15:10 (nineteen years ago)

Quick, someone make a new thread tonight for the new season.

James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Sunday, 15 January 2006 19:39 (nineteen years ago)

seven months pass...
Some day 6 spoilers:

http://www.aint-it-cool-news.com/display.cgi?id=24160

Personally I find this a bit disappointing - I was hoping it would be about Jack escaping from the Chinese as a bit of a change of tack, instead it seems that it will be terror threat in LA, business as usual, ho-hum. I'm sure I will lap it up regardless.

chap who would dare to start Raaatpackin (chap), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 15:13 (nineteen years ago)


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