Brian Clough RIP

RIP.

I hope the Good Lord gets used to his new boss.

Justin Fashanu - Bread, boss

BC - And if I go to the Butchers, what do I want?

JF - Meat boss?

BC - Right then. So what the bloody hell are you going to a gay nightclub?

Far better was his comment that if a player disagreed with his style of play, they sit down and talk about it for 20 minutes and eventually, they agree he (BC) was right.

"For all his horses, knighthoods and championships, he hasn't got two of what I've got. And I don't mean balls!" Referring to Sir Alex Ferguson's failure to win two successive European Cups.

"If God had wanted us to play football in the clouds, he'd have put grass up there." On the importance of passing to feet.

"I can't even spell spaghetti never mind talk Italian. How could I tell an Italian to get the ball - he might grab mine." On the influx of foreign players.

"At last England have appointed a manager who speaks English better than the players." On the appointment of Sven Goran Eriksson as England manager.

"Anybody who can do anything in Leicester but make a jumper has got to be a genius." A tribute to Martin O'Neill.

"Stand up straight, get your shoulders back and get your hair cut." Advice for John McGovern at Hartlepool.

"I only ever hit Roy the once. He got up so I couldn't have hit him very hard." On dealing with Roy Keane.

"Don't send me flowers when I'm dead. If you like me, send them while I'm alive." After the operation which saved his life.

"Players lose you games, not tactics. There's so much crap talked about tactics by people who barely know how to win at dominoes." Reflecting on England's exit from Euro 2000.

"We talk about it for twenty minutes and then we decide I was right." On dealing with a player who disagrees.

Fucking Legend.

His quotes were in the papers again before the Poland game, all that clown business.

Never really liked him.

Either that or ignored.

Or we can sit down and talk about it for twenty minutes and then decide I'm right.

He once wished my dad happy new year in mid-February.

Also - Paul Breitner to thread, though he was a particularly moneygrabbing Maoist.

'never compare me to that woman,' growled fergie.

plenty of parallels between AF and Clough.

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i had mixed feelings about him. but it's still extremely sad.

As for Clough, as someone has said on another forum - kids from provincial cities didn't normally have the privelige of seeing their local club win 2 European Cups.

He was also a defining figure from an age - the sacking at Derby, the 44 days at leeds, coming back to Nottingham, being passed over for the England job - he was at the centre of the iconic moments of the football decade.

Resemblance - physical and otherwise - to a current Premiership manager?

He was unique, a beacon of oddity and wit within football. Listening to the early autumnal radio tributes earlier, I found myself thinking that he'd been a great mind, a great thinker. But of course that can't be right - it's just the old 'socialist' claims that push me in that direction. I suppose he was a great mind in some other sense, made of intuition and ragged idiosyncrasy, fired by a self-belief that kept turning out to be justified. Like Dylan, in the movies.

Also nice

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/0571224261.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

sheen isn't an actor, he's a frustrated (and average) impersonator.

Colm Meaney as Don Revie.

ahahahahahaa

Good choice IMO, I think Sheen is good.

I like how they're implying that the plot involves Clough being a little bit too abrasive with the poor gentle Leeds players, and that he just wanted to inject a little bit of panache into the team, as opposed to thinking they're a bunch of cheating scumbags

Also that Leeds are letting them use Elland Road to film it

I thought Sheen was great in Frost/Nixon, little more than a caricaturist in The Queen. I like the premise of this though.

He was excellent as Kenneth Williams too.

Colm Meaney as Don Revie

This is beyond perfect

I came here to type nearly exactly the same thing.

Who's playing Johnny Giles?

Nearing the end of The Damned United now, what impresses me is how economical it is - how Peace resists the temptation to over-egg the caricature pudding. It'd be very easy for a film version to blow that.

That trailer confirms my worst suspicions. It's like an episode of Jossey's Giants.

Sheen doesn't even do a very good impression of Clough.

Shudder.

is it me or does that film have a potentially bad "British MOVIE" feel to it? Also I am detecting a weird Irish traveller twang to the actor playing Clough's accent.

x-post exactly my impressions

plus a general "life's many obstacles overcome after all!" feel...Clough was a pretty dark character.

It's like an episode of Jossey's Giants.

a++ reference

He is a bit scrawny and camp for Clough, though Clough had a preening campy quality, but I'll reserve judgment

Clough was more like Dr Smith from Land of the Giants camp than this guy's I dunno, 1 percentage of the red haired dude from Full Monty.

Loads of it filmed at Saltergate (and indeed, the on-site production office got robbed). The outside of the baseball ground in the trailer was definitely there, some of the internals were too that I could see.

Looking forward to seeing this. Not sure of Spall as taylor though, not quite enough...panache.

Yeah, Spall's hapless schlub routine would not fit Peter Taylor

By contrast, the forthcoming TV version of the Red Riding Quartet is supposed to ripper.

i have heard otherwise...

He is a bit scrawny and camp for Clough, though Clough had a preening campy quality, but I'll reserve judgment

'Carry on Cloughie'

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Really? Oh, disappointing.

I used to like Jossy's Giants. Good show.

Sheen does a v good impression of someone I work with but unfortunately he's always supposed to be someone else.

I'm looking forward to Red Riding a lot more than this.

(x-post: disappointing! The footage on the Channel 4 site looked OK).

^^^ otoh i have heard the bronson film is a+++

this is all single-source though, and personally i reckon the red riding trailer looks good.

I'm bummed Sheen isn't playing Bronson tbh.

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Pretty sure this'll happen when the GB84 adaption gets greenlit.

Incongruous Actor as Unlike Part

Michael Sheen as John Part in Dartboard Utd
Michael Sheen as Arvo Part in Damned Minimalism That Employs Tintinnabulation and Hypnotic Repetitions That Is Also Influenced By the Intellectual Counterpoint Elements of European Jazz, But Fits a European-American Post-Modernism Rather Than an Example of So-called World Music.

CLOUGH on ITV - this is tremendous stuff! I hope Steady Mike's watching - O'Neill ponderings, old-time Brian Moore, LWT logo and all.

Crikey, no-one else saw this? You want bloody shooting for missing it!

Some of us were watching this while not fannying around with computers, young man!

Saw it. A bit irritatingly flashy in places and obviously designed for two second attention span twunts but still great. Kenny Burns!

The Damned Utd is totally informing my Football Manager tactics right now.

am just watching Forest vs Hamburg in the 1980 European cup final, jesus but Forest were lucky. And thankful to a couple of amazing saves from Shilton as they were absolutely battered.

is that the one where Keegan kept falling on his arse?

Very unusually, I must now be relatively one of the first people to have seen THE DAMNED UNITED.

It's economical, clear, enjoyable; quite good entertainment. But it didn't really satisfy me as a film about Brian Clough. Sheen often didn't seem like Clough to me - the voice can be great, but maybe Sheen is too much Sheen, or Blair? More problematically, this Clough kept doing and saying things I just didn't believe Clough would have. It wasn't Clough enough. He also wasn't tough enough, not as tough as Clough. This Clough seemed frail and vulnerable in a sense I don't think BC was.

It left me wanting to see the real Clough - Revie debate in full, I suppose.

Good things: Barry Davies' voice, and Tony Gubba officially 'as himself' on the credits.

Can anyone provide a link to full, or just extensive, video of the Clough / Revie debate online?

Yes

Thanks, Venga! It's amazing stuff ... I think one has to recognize that, whatever frame might be readily put on it, Revie and Clough actually spend a lot of time going out of their way to agree with each other and assert a certain managers'-union decorum and unity vs the media.

well, not all the time.

quite a sound review:
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/reviews/the-damned-united-15-1655011.html

Latest take on this film: it feels like it was made by people who hadn't seen their teams beaten, again and again, by the teams of Brian Clough.

Morgan's Clough is a different creature from Peace's book.

Every time I see something like this it puts me off, a little.

That video is great. I would love to see Fergie and Wenger go at each other like that on TV.