Whatever happened to 'Coin-Ops' ?

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Before the console dominated household it always seemed to be the case that arcade machine 'coin ops' were always one step ahead in the technology department of home owned machines, which meant less time in the house and more time down at the sports club which in a social sense was good news for kids.

So why hasn't technology kept this trend? Why aren't we seeing super-duper arcade machines down at the local amusement huts with all singing all dancing hardware extras that console owners can only go green with envy over. I've seen some of the games in motorway service stations and yeah they seem graphically impressive but oh for the *yawn* Sega Rally version one hundred and twentieth time can we have a bit of imagination?

Okay I probably know the answer to this question and it's all to do with the video game market blah blah, I just want to whinge and relive the glory days of being top on the high score table of Star Wars and clocking Outzone 400% with a gang of admiring kids all surrounding me. ho hum.

Ste (Fuzzy), Monday, 20 September 2004 13:52 (twenty-one years ago)

even if they make mazan into a home game, i can't imagine it'll be as good.

so there are still games that get me out to the arcade.

colette (a2lette), Monday, 20 September 2004 13:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I know, where do kids today learn how to smoke, steal, and cheat now that there are no more dingy arcades?

Huk-L, Monday, 20 September 2004 13:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I guess they've kind of branched into gimmick games - you know dancing and stuff. That and the coins needed became of too high a value so I lost interest.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 20 September 2004 13:57 (twenty-one years ago)

The only thing arcades are good for these days is DDR.

(x-post)

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 20 September 2004 13:57 (twenty-one years ago)

oh i forgot about the golf game that I've seen recently that a lot of people are playing, thats network connected too. So I stand corrected on that one. But golf is shite so I won't play it.

Ste (Fuzzy), Monday, 20 September 2004 14:02 (twenty-one years ago)

mazan, people! you get to kill demons with a sword!

colette (a2lette), Monday, 20 September 2004 14:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Coin-ops lately seem to be really into interactive physical stuff, which never quite caught on at home. That new Donkey Conga game aside.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Monday, 20 September 2004 14:09 (twenty-one years ago)

DDR is fantastic. I heart it.

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 20 September 2004 14:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Arcades seem to have stood still wrt to actual conventional video games - it's just passe time-based driving games, limited soccer tournaments and one on one combat. i'd like to see older and retro games remaining in arcades. i just don't get turned on by things like Mazan despite the impressive method of interaction.

teh pow! (blueski), Monday, 20 September 2004 14:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I guess it has to be time based in order to keep you pumping in the moolah. Anyone think of a way to get you to put in money without a clock? Lives leave the possibility of being too good and playing for too long (could this happen anyway with clocked games? I'm not good enough to ever have found out).

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 20 September 2004 14:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I don't see DDR as gimmicky, I think the arcade is the place for flipping massive hardware constructions that you could never have at home (and I have DDR at home, but it's not the same).

Wait, aren't all arcade games supposed to be 3-d holograms by now?

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 20 September 2004 14:22 (twenty-one years ago)

and what happened to VR games, you know that harrier plane one?

Ste (Fuzzy), Monday, 20 September 2004 14:35 (twenty-one years ago)

People saw Lawnmower Man and realised VR is a stupid idea.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 20 September 2004 14:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I remember watching Tomorrows World and they had some game where you run around a crappy multicoloured polygon world trying to shoot another person with a bow & arrow, at 4 frames per second.

I can understand why companies like Sega saw it and probly thought: "balls to spending money developing that, another Sonic game anyone?" - *gaming world rejoices*

Ste (Fuzzy), Monday, 20 September 2004 14:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I purchased a coin-op and now it sits in my back room. They're really heavy! I don't play it too much but at least it's still difficult when I do ...

zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Monday, 20 September 2004 17:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Was it Zaxxon? Or is that a dumb question.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 20 September 2004 18:09 (twenty-one years ago)

1http://www.nemoprod.net/emu/arcade/mameshot/zaxxon.gif

Woo!

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 20 September 2004 21:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Stupid supposed three-dimensional game. I DID NOT HIT THE WALL, I WAS PERFECTLY AIMED FOR THE HOLE.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 20 September 2004 21:55 (twenty-one years ago)

The fundamental problem with coin-ops is that they are designed to make your money go a very short way. I mean, if you try to play 80s/early 90s games on Mame or other emulators, where you have unlimited credits, most classic games are either absurdly hard or absurdly repetitive and unrewarding.

Graphics on PC/Console games have reached a level where there is not much improvement that needs to be done. The obvious ways in which mainstream forms of games (e.g. racing/sports) can now be improved involve depth of play and artificial intelligence. These things do not give advantage to arcades.

For instance, I could happily play football games with graphics as good as Pro Evo's for the rest of my life. What I would want bettered is the way the computer controlled players on the opponents side and, especially, on my side play. It boggles my mind trying to think how this could be programmed, but it may be achievable at home through internet play perhaps.

Outside the home, I could imagine people with many friends, and the ability to arrange them into one place, taking part in arcade football games, but the cost of a decent tournament would be ridiculous compared to the price of hiring a 5-a-side pitch. Why would you bother?

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Monday, 20 September 2004 23:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I only go to arcades to play Raiden and Bubble Bobble now, I can't really be bothered paying more and I'm too unco for DDR.

Elisabeth (Elisabeth), Monday, 20 September 2004 23:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Bubble Bobble still works.

But coin-ops nowadays are like playing PS2 games without a memory-card. Perhaps if something insanely physical and technologically exciting was developed, with a PIN system where status could be retrieved, then they might be interesting.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Monday, 20 September 2004 23:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I guess you could carry around a memory card that slotted into the arcade machine. The problem is, that might slow the cash flow into the companies. I guess maybe the cards would generate a lot of revenue. I think arcades are more of an impulse entertainment than something to invest in though. But it could just be a feature, but not a necessay one. Maybe viruses might be a problem. Maybe a machine where you have to wear a Bubble Bobble suit to jump around and things, and you get one of those soap bubble-wands, and the screen detects where a bubble lands. Um, maybe not.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 20 September 2004 23:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Arcades are for the dealers to sell their gear at, of course. Well thats what the arcades here seem to all be for anyway...

Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 01:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh I really like House of the Dead as far as newer stuff goes, me and Andrew used to spend like $15 on it and I don't think it'd be as good at home on the TV. I got Bubble Bobble for NES and it's just as good, plus I hit one of those impossible levels so I gave up. I don't have Raiden though! Fuck it rules!

Elisabeth (Elisabeth), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 10:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I don't see DDR as gimmicky, I think the arcade is the place for flipping massive hardware constructions that you could never have at home (and I have DDR at home, but it's not the same).

Jordan is otm. arcades has always been the place where they have things you can't play quite as well at home - back in the days when the consoles weren't fast enough to run good graphics it's been in the arcades because the hardware is too expensive to have at home.

now it's just the same, you can't just go out buying a massive steel dancing platform (although you actually CAN now) or a sword with motion sensor (although you actually CAN now kinda with eyetoy) and any of those things for the home, so it's prominent in the arcades, so the idea hasn't really changed, but the format is different now.

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 10:19 (twenty-one years ago)

What I would want bettered is the way the computer controlled players on the opponents side and, especially, on my side play. It boggles my mind trying to think how this could be programmed, but it may be achievable at home through internet play perhaps.

haha this was my university dissertation project!!

But coin-ops nowadays are like playing PS2 games without a memory-card. Perhaps if something insanely physical and technologically exciting was developed, with a PIN system where status could be retrieved, then they might be interesting.

there are games now (more prominent in japan/hongkong) that you can get your own memory card for - you actually plug in the card through which your game data is saved/loaded!)

I think that japanese racing game (the name of which i forget!) has it - you can put in two quid and it spews out a memory card that you keep.

And i remmeber in hong kong (this one is funny) there is this RACE HORSE RAISING GAME where the point of the game is to maintain your horse, and two or more people plug in their card to the machine and they RACE!!!

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 10:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Arcades are for huge unwieldy light guns.

Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 10:34 (twenty-one years ago)

the house of the dead 3 shot guns actually make my arms tired just holding them! (cool though)

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 10:36 (twenty-one years ago)

When I was a kid my best friend's parents ran a fish and chip shop with an arcade and we could play free games, so we played Street Fighter and that Simpsons game constantly. Those were among the best years of my life.

Elisabeth (Elisabeth), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 10:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I only play House of the Dead 1 (played 2 a couple of times) because I never clock it and probably never will so I'll probably never play HOTD 3, very sad.

Elisabeth (Elisabeth), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 10:38 (twenty-one years ago)

*crosses ken c off zombie survival team list*

Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 10:52 (twenty-one years ago)

haha put me on the crime gang infiltration list instead - i'm all about time crisis! (the recoiling gun is what does it)

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 11:00 (twenty-one years ago)


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