Defend the Indefensible: The Star Wars Prequels

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I kinda fucked up didn't I?

Love
George

George Lucas, Thursday, 23 September 2004 11:40 (twenty-one years ago)

You might have ended my career too you know. They are awful George. Can we just bin Episode 3 and pretend the other two never existed?

Ewen MacGregor, Thursday, 23 September 2004 11:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Dear Ewen,

No.

George

George Lucas, Thursday, 23 September 2004 11:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Any chance I can be taken out of the re-re-mastered ones?

Alec Guinness (afarrell), Thursday, 23 September 2004 11:44 (twenty-one years ago)

http://penny-arcade.com/images/2004/20040922l.jpg

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 23 September 2004 11:45 (twenty-one years ago)

The fact that they suck is to at least a degree a blessing. Having demanded some hundred pounds for video reissues one a and two, and now for the DVD edition, it is somewhat advantagiouse that the prequels will never render prudent such expenditure.

lukey (Lukey G), Thursday, 23 September 2004 11:58 (twenty-one years ago)

George,

My mum and dad say that I'm shit in the role and people laugh at me on the street. When you re-release Episode 2 can you digitally replace me with Chewbacca?

Cheers

Hayden

Hayden Christensen, Thursday, 23 September 2004 12:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I kinda enjoyed them. I'm looking forward to episode 3.

jel -- (jel), Thursday, 23 September 2004 16:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm already annoyed that Naboo does not get torched and the Jedi Temple is still around. C'mon, let's have some proper death and destruction.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 23 September 2004 16:25 (twenty-one years ago)

the second one wasn't so bad. the third one might be better.

sorry, that's as fervent as i can get.

stevie (stevie), Thursday, 23 September 2004 16:29 (twenty-one years ago)

i agree

teh pow! (blueski), Thursday, 23 September 2004 16:30 (twenty-one years ago)

How bold.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 23 September 2004 16:30 (twenty-one years ago)

http://bushwhacked.net/bits/boring.jpg

why do old people and old users of ILX such bastardos (deangulberry), Thursday, 23 September 2004 16:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahaha.

http://www.albany.net/~genxtv/lids1.gif

"How's THAT for a topper?"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 23 September 2004 16:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Up on the hilltop where the vultures perch,
That's where I'm gonna build my church,
Ain't gonna be no priest, ain't gonna be no boss;
Just Charles Nelson Reilly nailed to a cross.

I don't piss, I don't shit, I'm gettin' no relief,
People shake their heads in disbelief.
GO!

Just me on a hilltop with 15 girls,
In a Nelson Reilly orgy that'll make your hair curl.
I don't piss, I don't shit, I'm gettin' no relief,
People shake their heads in disbelief.

Yeah, Charles Nelson Reilly, he's our man,
He can't heal the sick with the touch of his hand,
He can't walk on water, can't make wine flow;
Just another greedy actor on the late late show!

I don't piss, I don't shit, I'm gettin' no relief,
People shake their heads in disbelief.
GO!

Just me on a hilltop with 15 girls,
In a Nelson Reilly orgy that'll make your hair curl.
I don't piss, I don't shit, I'm gettin' no relief,
People shake their heads in disbelief.

All Hail the Dead Milkmen (Ned), Thursday, 23 September 2004 16:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm always surprised that people rate the second one above the first: TPM's worst moments (Midichlorian's, Tattooine again, "yippee") just seem sort of goofy, whereas AOTC, with it's love story and hyper-corny 3PIO, and general lobbing of chunks of meat to the fanboys every twenty minutes, is just appalling. I'd watch the first one again in a pinch, but nothing on earth could get me to see the second again.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 23 September 2004 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

nah, the second had great pacing - the action scenes in the first are awful, no sense of the fleet-of-foot cut'n'dissolve of the original trilogy. the second one buids tension, the first one just made me wanna flee the cinema...

stevie (stevie), Thursday, 23 September 2004 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)

The first one had more Jar-Jar than the second one, ergo the first one is much much worse than the second one.

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 23 September 2004 16:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Both prequels are pretty dreadfull, but at least AOTC had some jaw-dropping action scenes, and an atmosphere of menace (ironically) missing from TPM. Neither of the plots make much sense.

Wooden (Wooden), Thursday, 23 September 2004 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)

The plot to TPM makes sense, it just isn't very interesting. Corporate takeovers don't make for good space opera.

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 23 September 2004 16:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I've promised myself I won't get excited about Episode Three, but I'm sure I will (sigh).

Wooden (Wooden), Thursday, 23 September 2004 16:46 (twenty-one years ago)

it has Darth Vader in it ffs

teh pow! (blueski), Thursday, 23 September 2004 16:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Im kinda excited about episode three, but it seems like theres ALOT of ground to cover:

obi wan vs. vader
vader vs. his ladyfriend
vader kills all of the jedi
rise of the empire

and when you consider how f'n stupid and flimsy the other two prequels were, it gives me little hope that the 3rd one will wrap everything up nicely and segway into a new hope as much as the fanz would like it to.

still bevens (bscrubbins), Thursday, 23 September 2004 17:11 (twenty-one years ago)

At least they're barely cinema.

Loose Translation: Sexy Dancer (sexyDancer), Thursday, 23 September 2004 17:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I just hope they finally Kessell Run!

Huk-L, Thursday, 23 September 2004 17:21 (twenty-one years ago)

There's gonna be this android thing that helps with the wiping out of the Jedi, it's not just Darth on his own...and Boba Fett must be gunning for Mace Windu.

The main gripes I have about the prequals are:

* The technology! - It's too advanced, it should have looked more basic! It's like every went to pot when the Empire took over, maybe it did, but I woulda thought the Imperial war machine would have advanced.
* The clones! - I always thought that the Storm Troopers were conscripts, and made the destruction of the Death Star an even bigger tragedy. Now it doesn't seem to matter so much.

jel -- (jel), Thursday, 23 September 2004 17:34 (twenty-one years ago)

WOn't Boba Fett still be a kid though?

Huk-L, Thursday, 23 September 2004 17:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm remembering the horror of the scene where Anakin and Natalie Portman romp in the grass and lasso themselves some large beasts to ride on. God that was awful.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 23 September 2004 17:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, Jel's points hint that Lucas maybe didn't have the whole 9-part thingee written all along, since whoever wrote the original trilogy obv. had no clue about what went on in the prequels.

Huk-L, Thursday, 23 September 2004 17:39 (twenty-one years ago)

IE, Lucas = liar.

Huk-L, Thursday, 23 September 2004 17:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I think ep3 will have moved on a few years, maybe. Perhaps, he'll be a little kid boba fett...kids can be bad too...perhaps he'll be a teenager.

jel -- (jel), Thursday, 23 September 2004 17:42 (twenty-one years ago)

The original ep1 - ep3 notes:

Little kid goes bad. Will work on this after I've done the good bits.

jel -- (jel), Thursday, 23 September 2004 17:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I cannot fathom how anyone could actually enjoy these two films which resemble nothing more than video game demonstrations. You know how you might go into an arcade and there will be a showreel playing and you'll go: "Wow, cool as fuck" and then it will play for five more minutes, by which time you're bored and your brain feels numb? That's the Star Wars prequels.

Woe, Thursday, 23 September 2004 17:44 (twenty-one years ago)

where Anakin and Natalie Portman romp in the grass and lasso themselves some large beasts to ride on.

I read part of this sentence wrong the first time. I happily blame Dan Perry.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Thursday, 23 September 2004 17:44 (twenty-one years ago)

The scene in AotC in the smelting room or whatever, was exactly like 8 million video games!

Huk-L, Thursday, 23 September 2004 17:45 (twenty-one years ago)

http://imprint.uwaterloo.ca/images/20020614/arts_StarWars_anikin-amidala.jpg

"So, my lady, I must ask, those titties, where are they at?"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 23 September 2004 17:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I want to see episode 7-9!

jel -- (jel), Thursday, 23 September 2004 17:47 (twenty-one years ago)

That grass was made for romping.

jel -- (jel), Thursday, 23 September 2004 17:48 (twenty-one years ago)

and that's just what they'll do...

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 23 September 2004 17:49 (twenty-one years ago)

i think Episode 3 is set only 2-3 years after Episode 2, so Boba is still a scamp. Chewbacca's appearance may only be incidental and interaction with other main characters limited.

TEASER TRAILER SOON MMKAY?

teh pow! (blueski), Thursday, 23 September 2004 18:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Patience, young Jedi.

jel -- (jel), Thursday, 23 September 2004 18:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I wish I liked them more, just to spite all the whiny shitlicks who act like George Lucas ran over their goddamn dogs, skinned them and then used the furs to make ewok costumes. Oh, he ruined your childhood huh? FUCKING DIDDUMS. They're just fucking kids movies you pack of tits, you are not at all ENTITLED to anything, George Lucas is not worthy of comparison to Hitler, and your childhood has NOT been retroactively shitcanned.

(actually I kinda did like them, though i last saw the first one when i was 13. It works pretty well as mindless spectacle, and Ep 2 is one of the most exquisitely funny movies I've ever seen. Unintentionally albeit, but really.)

\(^o^)/ (Adrian Langston), Thursday, 23 September 2004 18:59 (twenty-one years ago)

oooh you're so cool

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 23 September 2004 19:02 (twenty-one years ago)

i came in w/low expectations and thought they were ok

amateur!!st, Thursday, 23 September 2004 19:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I came in with low expectations and thought they were shit.

n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 23 September 2004 19:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Lolo yeah i am!!! high fives for all!

\(^o^)/ (Adrian Langston), Thursday, 23 September 2004 19:07 (twenty-one years ago)

#2 is better b/c it has Yoda fighting.

Also, when our heroes have to fight all those monsters in the arena.
Lucas still knows how to set up a good Monster vs. helpless human fight.

The second one begins so terribly (also the middle), but then the end was awesome so I left thinking "decent."

TX, Thursday, 23 September 2004 19:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I came out of EII with a theory that the corny love scene was actually supposed to be corny because it was supposed to represent the false, hormonally-charged, puppy-love nature of their relationship which ultimately would not be strong enough to overcome the dark side's allure for anakin. Maybe I'm thinking too hard for a George Lucas movie.

Hurting, Friday, 24 September 2004 02:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Episode One had Ewan MacGregor following Liam Neeson around and calling him Master. If you can find me a better film with that feature, I'll be delighted.

Layna Andersen (Layna Andersen), Friday, 24 September 2004 04:55 (twenty-one years ago)

the prequels have far better saber fights.

Lt. Kingfish Del Pickles (Kingfish), Friday, 24 September 2004 04:58 (twenty-one years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clone_troopers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Star_Wars_ranged_weapons

Desperate shit, man. These films are the pits.

Pashmina, Monday, 8 October 2007 10:14 (eighteen years ago)

Fifth Element good too (except for when Tricky was on screen) as partial space movie

Fifth Element is a good film and good entertainment, but I was kinda disappointed with it, because I finally thought there'd be a movie that'd manage to capture some of the sense of wonder of Valérian and Laureline, what with it being directed by a French comic fan, and Mézières himself involved in the design work. (If you believe the rumours, Star Wars too was influenced by Valérian and Laureline.) But in the end it was more of a Bruce Willis action film in a sci-fi setting than a proper space opera, and Mézières's influence could only be seen in the fact that the different aliens looked cooler and more imaginative than in your standard sci-fi flicks.

Tuomas, Monday, 8 October 2007 12:39 (eighteen years ago)

SF movies as dead as the western

see this would be good news because the western came back in 2007 as oscar bait

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 20:06 (eighteen years ago)

I enjoy the Star Wars prequels why because they look intersting

HI DERE, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 20:21 (eighteen years ago)

i remember thinking, way back when the first prequel came out, that there actually was an interesting kernel of an idea at the heart of it. a 'comment on fascism vs democracy' even!

like: the galactic order is a mess, complicated and corrupt, with hundreds of different aliens, and the republican government is divided and sluggish. the whole setup depends on a small crew of idealist and super-powerful archaic knights, respected by all, called upon more and more for their diplomatic abilities internally than actually doing any fighting.

and then one of these guys, the youngest and maybe most talented of them all, gets sick of all the gridlock and the inability of the civilian government to deal with galaxy-wide collapse. he falls in with and then leads a cadre of 'bad knights' (widely feared and shunned for being hostile to the liberal order) in a putsch, promising to clean things up and get the space-trains running on time. bonapartism in space, basically. and then years later his estranged revolutionary son comes along...

i mean, that sounds like a great movie to me. shame how it turned out.

gff, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 20:53 (eighteen years ago)

yeah the politics of it could make for some pretty interesting high-concept shit and space opera could still have been an effective milieu. unfortunately lucas' need to revert to the mono-myth structure robs it of all depth, plus, nobody actually cares about darth vader, same as they never cared about luke. Ep III is the most tolerable of these because it's told largely from obi-wan's perspective, the only sympathetic (read: not a whining or incomprehensible moron) character in this mess.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 21:02 (eighteen years ago)

"Episode I: The Crisis of Galactic Democracy" by George Lucas from a script by Carl Schmitt

max, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 21:07 (eighteen years ago)

i would watch that shit

max, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 21:07 (eighteen years ago)

Mace Windu was ok too!

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 21:10 (eighteen years ago)

guys we're forgetting what matters here

http://www.tvguide.com/movies/dbpix/images/42897a.jpg

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 21:13 (eighteen years ago)

every single frame of I-III is fucking horrible on some level

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 21:14 (eighteen years ago)

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a61/npope3001/ned.gif

chaki, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 21:14 (eighteen years ago)

that matters a lot but it does not last nearly long enough to excuse even having to FFWD through all the other nonsense in that one. jesus all that CGI pastoral romance bullshit made me want to eat my own brain

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 21:14 (eighteen years ago)

But riding around on space hamsters, Tombot.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 21:15 (eighteen years ago)

i've only seen episode I

gff, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 21:16 (eighteen years ago)

i still think the "nooooo!" in ep. 3 was one of the seven wonders of camp, and it had a couple of fleeting moments dipped in genuine star wars magic. casting that twerp as anakin in the first place tied their hands, I think it had the potential to be a just-below-average prequel(that is to say, an unqualified triumph compared to the first two) with some more gravitas from the lead.

tremendoid, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 23:36 (eighteen years ago)

I think Ian McDiarmid's vivid camp is the only thing I'll remember from those movies; his Palpatine is the only thing that suggests the terror and ridiculousness of Lucas' space-opera conceit.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 23:40 (eighteen years ago)

i seem to remember an unveiling of his massive screaming EVIL-IZED head as he's fighting mace windu that had people rolling in the aisles at the screening. i mean, think about it, ep. 3 was the first time in 5+ hours of the saga where you could even begin to make your own fun. it's a crime is what it is.

tremendoid, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 23:45 (eighteen years ago)

I dunno, you can kinda make some of your own fun with certain contents of the still hoos posted up there

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 00:30 (eighteen years ago)

</ slashdot mod-bait>

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 00:30 (eighteen years ago)

natalie portman bare midriff is not even 1/10 princess leia in metal bikini

Hurting 2, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 03:41 (eighteen years ago)

So the digital editing was actually for Natalie Portman's boobs? Compare that pic to this:

http://images.askmen.com/galleries/actress/natalie-portman/pictures/natalie-portman-picture-6.jpg

Or is she wearing some hyperspace push-up bra there?

Tuomas, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 10:25 (eighteen years ago)

i'd give her a hyperspace push up bra

ken c, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 11:22 (eighteen years ago)

sorry should have been a hyphen between up and bra.

ken c, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 11:38 (eighteen years ago)

I don't get it, a "hyperspace push up-bra" ?

Hurting 2, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 13:32 (eighteen years ago)

you know, hyperspace = faster-than-light = FTL = fruit-of-the-loom

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 13:49 (eighteen years ago)

he was referring to the hyphen placement.

s1ocki, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 15:36 (eighteen years ago)

Since when are breasts static, is what I want to know.

HI DERE, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 15:38 (eighteen years ago)

I'm not saying they wax and wane with the cycles of the moon (although for some women they do) but it is not at all unbelievable or out of the ordinary for a woman's breasts to be a different sizes over the span of several years. It's not that hard! (yet) (sorry)

HI DERE, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 15:40 (eighteen years ago)

Are the bosoms in Star Wars funbags?

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 15:40 (eighteen years ago)

also I just invented the word "tyra-riffic"

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 15:41 (eighteen years ago)

the robots are neat and make for great toys! for real, my son and I have a lot more fun playing star wars than watching it. The star wars legos just rule...my wife and I just put together the Jabba's sail barge and it's awesome.

pj, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 15:57 (eighteen years ago)

you son of a bitch

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 15:57 (eighteen years ago)

just put together the Jabba's sail barge

want

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 16:05 (eighteen years ago)

see I just express my envy with expletives

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 16:06 (eighteen years ago)

I am so glad my child will not be subjected to this shit - by the time she's old enough Star Wars' will be sooooooo uncool

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 16:07 (eighteen years ago)

Dream on, dude.

HI DERE, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 16:11 (eighteen years ago)

oh god, shakey mo daddier

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 16:11 (eighteen years ago)

guys if you all pooled together and bought me a star wars lego set for my birthday i wouldnt be mad cause it was a few days late

max, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 16:15 (eighteen years ago)

The little lego Leia is, of course chained by the neck for Jabba's *ahem* enjoyment.

pj, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 16:18 (eighteen years ago)

0_o

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 16:20 (eighteen years ago)

you really have to give it up for macgregor's hamtronics too though. I mean he says, out loud, "I saw a security hologram... of him... killing... younglings" and then makes like he just threw up a little bit in his mouth, with the urp-guard hand motion to the lips and everything. You know nobody was paying a damn bit of attention to the acting after they let him get away with that.

El Tomboto, Thursday, 11 October 2007 02:58 (eighteen years ago)

lol younglings!

s1ocki, Thursday, 11 October 2007 05:58 (eighteen years ago)

It was having to say younglings that made him throw up in mouth. Lucas is v smart.

blueski, Thursday, 11 October 2007 10:27 (eighteen years ago)

nine years pass...

http://i.imgur.com/sagRoVb.jpg

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 03:07 (eight years ago)

I am so glad my child will not be subjected to this shit - by the time she's old enough Star Wars' will be sooooooo uncool

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, October 10, 2007 12:07 PM

Dream on, dude.

― HI DERE, Wednesday, October 10, 2007 12:11 PM

hehe, how does it get uncooler from here?

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 03:49 (eight years ago)

You start liking it?

The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 03:54 (eight years ago)

been there! '77-83

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 03:57 (eight years ago)

daughter is still not interested in Star Wars for those keeping track

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 16:36 (eight years ago)


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